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[Marty Jackson]

It's more like they don't want to buy something they already own.

it's a balance i think. yes they own it. but schools have proven they'll leave if the dollars are more on the other side.
people were locked in to cell phone contracts until someone decided to change the model and pay breakage fee to get new customers.
if a program was available and a conference really wanted them, they'll leave and fight the GOR in court. enough money buys anything...

 

[Dooley]

if it were the Big East I think the schools might consider giving ND a bigger payout. Not sure Florida St. or Clemson would sign up for that.

Those are probably the only 2 schools who wouldn't be on-board but it's a double edged sword. The ACC needs more money, hence they need an ACCN. The ACCN needs more markets, hence ND to join full-time (and a 16th school that also delivers markets). FSU and Clemson can compete against SEC schools up to a certain point but will eventually need a bump in cash. They would really be able to compete if they made comparable TV money as SEC schools.

 

[pj]

if it were the Big East I think the schools might consider giving ND a bigger payout. Not sure Florida St. or Clemson would sign up for that.

Florida State would be fine with it. Once you introduce variable payouts, it's not going to stop at one school. Notre Dame, FSU, and UNC would benefit from the change. BC, Cuse, Pitt, Ville, Wake, NC State would get clobbered. Those are the schools that would oppose it.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Florida State would be fine with it. Once you introduce variable payouts, it's not going to stop at one school. Notre Dame, FSU, and UNC would benefit from the change. BC, Cuse, Pitt, Ville, Wake, NC State would get clobbered. Those are the schools that would oppose it.

the instability would kill this conference. Clemson, Miami, and VT are not taking a back seat if other options are available. Plus, who besides ND and FSU would vote to give them more money at this time?

 

[FDNY99]

Spot on. They have dragged their heels on an ACCN because they're not completely certain that the football heavyweights are locked in. Now if somehow, some way ND could be convinced to join as a full-time member, that would go a very long way towards securing the future of ACC football. They could add UCONN as a 16th to make things nice and neat, lock down the huge northeast markets, and satisfy the football and hoops schools of the conference all at the same time. But in order for all this to happen, the ACC/ESPN would need ND to join full-time. If they offered a sweetheart deal that allowed them to keep NBC money PLUS give a portion of ACCN revenue, it might be something for the Domers to consider. I still have my doubts, but it would certainly be something to consider.

The main issue ESPN has dragged their feet in my opinion has everything to do with Raycom owning ACC rights. They have to pay Raycom for those rights or the rights to broadcast what Raycom owns. Then they have to try and make a profit off the network...I think they are taking enough of a bath on the LHN that they won't do it for the ACC just for the sake of giving them their own network...they already own the rights that Raycom doesn't. At the end of the day..if Raycom wasn't in the picture...the ACCN would already be on the air.

 

[FDNY99]

Florida State would be fine with it. Once you introduce variable payouts, it's not going to stop at one school. Notre Dame, FSU, and UNC would benefit from the change. BC, Cuse, Pitt, Ville, Wake, NC State would get clobbered. Those are the schools that would oppose it.

If they were going to do variable payouts...why not go off of DMA and the amount of subscriber's you bring in. If you did that, BC, Cuse, UL would actually make out pretty good.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Matt Wyers‏@mkw_14 23h
@flugempire So you think ACC would add UConn if ND fully joins? Assuming the goal is to limit FOX on the East Coast...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 9h
@mkw_14 I do not know who would join ND as #16 but I would suggest ND would have a say in determining who #16 turns out to be....UConn...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 9h
@mkw_14 has only helped themselves in CR as of late. The commitment laid down by the state of CT in funding to increase research/staffing...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 9h
@mkw_14 ...at UCONN pushed the ball forward for CR. But I don't believe Delany has anyone targeted...only building relationships.....

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 9h
@mkw_14 ...with multiple schools...UCONN being one of them. Delany is looking East, but Delany does have a relationship with Boren..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 9h
@mkw_14 ....but zero relationship with Texas (now that Powers is gone). Realignment/expansions does not happen with pixel dust.........

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 9h
@mkw_14 ....it all happens with relationships being built first among humans. It not all about spreadsheets (although important). Its about

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 9h
@mkw_14 ..building trust...building and agreeing on mutual goals. OU-UCONN-VT-KANSAS are some Delany has relationships with...others.......

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 9h
@mkw_14 ...such as UVA-UNC-GT-TEXAS Delany does not have growing relationships with...he just doesn't. Delany talked with Rutgers for years.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 9h
@mkw_14 All eyes on ACC and their creation of a ACCN (or not). I was told Disney will build a ACCN and will take it in the shorts...will see



ME: If he's right then none of the schools the presidents would really vote for would be available anytime soon. Knock on wood. I'd be amazingly surprised if ND gives up independence but the ACC is the best fit for them.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

As long as it is the best interest of the Domers, ND will support the ACC because right now the ACC has a sweet deal with the ACC that they likely cannot get with the B1G nor the SEC while the XII and PAC make no sense geographically. The moment the ACC does not serve the best interest of ND, ND will do it's best to sink it. Just ask the old Big East.

 

[Hoophound]

As long as it is the best interest of the Domers, ND will support the ACC because right now the ACC has a sweet deal with the ACC that they likely cannot get with the B1G nor the SEC while the XII and PAC make no sense geographically. The moment the ACC does not serve the best interest of ND, ND will do it's best to sink it. Just ask the old Big East.

In fairness to ND, I don't think they look to destroy anyone, they just put themselves first. They happen to be in a unique position which makes their self preservation very detrimental to others. I can't say they are evil, they just do what they have to do to preserve their model and at this point, everyone they do business with should know that. ND isn't joining the ACC unless it puts them in a better position. The fact that ND would in fact choose the ACC if they had to pick a conference is probably true today. However, if the ACC loses anyone else of significant value (UVA, UNC, FSU, Clemson) to the Big Ten or SEC, that will likely change and it won't be ND's fault. The ACC needs to lure ND before anything else changes, but change is what will spur ND to pick a conference. I think it's all up in the air.

 

[TerryD]

Unless a "conference champ only" playoff happens, I would not wait for ND to give up football independence. Hell, if ND were only about money, it would have joined the Big Ten to make the most TV money. The ACC Network is not enough, in my opinion, for ND to even consider that drastic a change in its basic identity.

 

[Dooley]

I think that's exactly where this is headed. Conference affiliation will, at some point, be needed to gain access to the playoff. There isn't an undefeated or even 1-loss conference champion from any of the P5 conferences that would willingly and gleefully lose a top 4 spot to unaffiliated ND. And you know full well that a 1-loss 2nd place SEC team (ex - Bama loses by a FG in the SEC Championship Game) will cause a lot of havoc too. But the good news for ND is that this might not ever be brought up until the day came that ND is in the playoff and some conference(s) start b1tching about it.

 

[CL82]

Hoophound if ND did join the ACC the incentive to leave it deminishes greatly for the other schools. So they could further stabilize the ACC like they could have stabilized the BE. I agree with Terry. They'll act in their own self interest, which they are entitled to do. I don't bear them any bad will, but I don't particularly trust them either. Of course if they want us as ACC#16, I'd be happy to come along for the ride.

 

[Hoophound]

Hoophound if ND did join the ACC the incentive to leave it deminishes greatly for the other schools. So they could further stabilize the ACC like they could have stabilized the BE. I agree with Terry. They'll act in their own self interest, which they are entitled to do. I don't bear them any bad will, but I don't particularly trust them either. Of course if they want us as ACC#16, I'd be happy to come along for the ride.

Exactly, but why would ND care about stabilizing the ACC by joining it? They want the ACC to carry on as is so they can proceed with their current business model. If they have to fully join the ACC to stabilize it, that's charity work. They have to get something worthwhile, like a disproportionate pay out.

 

[Dooley]

ND isn't joining any conference to help the conference. They will only join a conference to help themselves (i.e. would need to join a conference to have access to the playoff system).

 

[Stinger92860]

Hoop....I thinks that may come next, disproportionate payouts or pay for performance After they finish off the G5, the P5 will start to look within to gain dollars and leverage.

 

[TerryD]

ND isn't joining any conference to help the conference. They will only join a conference to help themselves (i.e. would need to join a conference to have access to the playoff system).

Isn't that the same dynamic when any school joins (or changes) a conference?

 

[CL82]

Isn't that the same dynamic when any school joins (or changes) a conference?

Now, probably. In the past there may have been more of a collective identity.

 

[Dooley]

Isn't that the same dynamic when any school joins (or changes) a conference?

Of course. When did I say that I thought a school would/should join a conference for the sake of a conference?

 

[Fishy]

The only want I can see Notre Dame being forced into a conference is if they somehow ride a sweetheart schedule into the playoff and bumps an SEC or Big 10 team that ran the gauntlet - but there's a 12 year deal in place for this structure so even that would not be immediate.

With respect to the Twitter fellow who believes Notre Dame is heading into the ACC fold, I just cannot see it.

Part of Notre Dame's "mystique" and desire to stay independent is that much of the bloom comes off the rose if they're finishing third, fourth, sixth or whatever in conference every year.

It's nice to have a bad year and not have to deal with standings.

 

[primus74]

Hoop....I thinks that may come next, disproportionate payouts or pay for performance After they finish off the G5, the P5 will start to look within to gain dollars and leverage.

I agree. Are the top 16 or so teams going to want to share equal dollars with the bottom of P5 when they're disproportionately the ones that bring in the dollars. I'm talking Ohio St vs Northwestern or Florida St vs WF, Texas vs TCU, etc.

 

[Cleanface]

I have a hard time believing Jim Delany doesn't have relationships at UNC when;

1. It's his Alma Mater, and where he received his JD
2. He played basketball there (2 x Final Fours and co-captain)
3. One child is an Alumnus, the other is enrolled there now

Also; From 1973 to 1974, Delany was employed as counsel to the North Carolina Senate Judiciary Committee. From there, he was hired to the position of staff attorney for the North Carolina Justice Department.

 

[TerryD]

The only want I can see Notre Dame being forced into a conference is if they somehow ride a sweetheart schedule into the playoff and bumps an SEC or Big 10 team that ran the gauntlet - but there's a 12 year deal in place for this structure so even that would not be immediate.

With respect to the Twitter fellow who believes Notre Dame is heading into the ACC fold, I just cannot see it.

Part of Notre Dame's "mystique" and desire to stay independent is that much of the bloom comes off the rose if they're finishing third, fourth, sixth or whatever in conference every year.

It's nice to have a bad year and not have to deal with standings.

ND's schedules are pretty tough. This year has the Irish playing FSU, Stanford, Southern Cal, Louisville, Arizona State and Michigan, among others (5 currently ranked teams).

ND is 38-15 under Brian Kelly, 22-5 the last two years. I don't think that ND is too worried about a hypothetical third to sixth place finish in either the Big Ten or ACC.

 

[Cleanface]

ND's schedules are pretty tough. This year has the Irish playing FSU, Stanford, Southern Cal, Louisville, Arizona State and Michigan, among others (5 currently ranked teams).

ND is 38-15 under Brian Kelly, 22-5 the last two years. I don't think that ND is too worried about a hypothetical third to sixth place finish in either the Big Ten or ACC.

I don't see PURDUE anywhere in this post.

You can go to hell, Terry.


I firmly believe ND would finish #3+ in the B1G consistently. ACC would be cake tho.

 

[TerryD]

I don't see PURDUE anywhere in this post.

You can go to hell, Terry.


I firmly believe ND would finish #3+ in the B1G consistently. ACC would be cake tho.

Lol. "Among others"....I mentioned Purdue, right there.

Seriously, Purdue has often given ND all it could handle.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Lol. "Among others"....I mentioned Purdue, right there.

Seriously, Purdue has often given ND all it could handle.

At times ND even gives Purdue all that it can handle

 

[TerryD]

At times ND even gives Purdue all that it can handle

Indeed.

 

[dayooper]

At times ND even gives Purdue all that it can handle

Sometimes Purdue gives Purdue more than it can handle.

 

[billybud]

I don't know what has happened to Purdue the last five years...Especially last year when they did not beat a single IA team.

They, and Illinois, were once good programs on a national level and have now slipped into mediocrity (or worse).

I know programs cycle...but these two have dropped lower than I would have ever thought.

 

[upstater]

I don't know what has happened to Purdue the last five years...Especially last year when they did not beat a single IA team.

They, and Illinois, were once good programs on a national level and have now slipped into mediocrity (or worse).

I know programs cycle...but these two have dropped lower than I would have ever thought.

Illinois hasn't been very good for a very, very, very long time. Purdue just dropped post Tiller.

I actually can't remember good Illinois teams since the early 1990s.

 

[Irishfan]

Illinois hasn't been very good for a very, very, very long time. Purdue just dropped post Tiller.

I actually can't remember good Illinois teams since the early 1990s.

Illinois went to the Rose Bowl in 2008. They got killed by USC, but they were there.