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[buddy]

Va Tech was lucky to get to the ACC thanks to the lobbying of the Virginia State Legislature. Otherwise they would have been in the AAC with UConn.

 

[History Geek]

I’d prefer the Big East add them and get back in the football business.

I'm rooting for a Big East/ACC blend

 

[RSTuthill]

Playing Syracuse, BCU, Duke, Pittsburgh, etc. on a consistent basis wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

Exactly my point, Throw in the west coast teams and whomever. SMU was it? I have lost track quite frankly.

 

[RSTuthill]

I’d prefer the Big East add them and get back in the football business.

Oh, you think the non FB schools in the BE would entertain that? If so, I can get you a very attractive bridge at half price.

 

[ScottVib]

Va Tech was lucky to get to the ACC thanks to the lobbying of the Virginia State Legislature. Otherwise they would have been in the AAC with UConn.

They'd've gotten the Louisville spot or gone with Pitt, if the BC block of UConn still worked. (UConn was in a stronger place in Round 2 only 9 months removed from the Fiesta Bowl, so it may not have, given the valuation for Syracuse - UConn was preferred, Syracuse - Pitt good enough)

Round 1 (2004): Miami, BC, Syracuse (Virginia Tech IRL)
Round 2 (2011): Pitt, UConn
Round 3 (Maryland backfill): Virginia Tech (football school selection)

 

[billybud]

Va Tech was lucky to get to the ACC thanks to the lobbying of the Virginia State Legislature. Otherwise they would have been in the AAC with UConn.

And, very probably, would now be in the Big 12.

 

[billybud]

And, maybe the fix was always in for Boston College...

For us conspiracy theorists...is it a coincidence that Swofford's son, Chad, went to BC as an Assistant AD in 2004 ?

Was it a coincidence that Swofford insisted to ESPN that Raycom be part of the ACC deal...while Chad was a Raycom exec ?

 

[History Geek]

Oh, you think the non FB schools in the BE would entertain that? If so, I can get you a very attractive bridge at half price.

The landscape is changing. Basketball-only leagues will find it very difficult to remain competitive with the P-whatevers moving forward. The BE movers and shakers had better realize they have to at least entertain holding their nose and living with a football wing at this time. I bet they are doing due diligence about the possibility now.

 

[noeynox]

I'm rooting for a Big East/ACC blend

The Big Atlantic Coast Conference...in the East.

 

[RSTuthill]

The landscape is changing. Basketball-only leagues will find it very difficult to remain competitive with the P-whatevers moving forward. The BE movers and shakers had better realize they have to at least entertain holding their nose and living with a football wing at this time. I bet they are doing due diligence about the possibility now.

Agreed. But the BB only schools don't get much out of adding FB. The FB revenue goes to the FB schools. I do not see the incentive.

 

[John]

Agreed. But the BB only schools don't get much out of adding FB. The FB revenue goes to the FB schools. I do not see the incentive.

They'd get some historically good basketball programs back in the fold in the bargain.

 

[RSTuthill]

They'd get some historically good basketball programs back in the fold in the bargain.

True, but it won't work that way since FB drives the bus.

 

[Kolumbo]

True, but it won't work that way since FB drives the bus.

It's a big double decker bus with basketball on top

 

[History Geek]

Agreed. But the BB only schools don't get much out of adding FB. The FB revenue goes to the FB schools. I do not see the incentive.

The BE would no longer be able to compete for natties any more. A not-football BE will get outspent by conferences (P-whatevers) with surplus football money that they could invest in not-football.

 

[How Sway?!]

The BE would no longer be able to compete for natties any more. A not-football BE will get outspent by conferences (P-whatevers) with surplus football money that they could invest in not-football.

People been saying this since 2013. The league won 3 titles since then. If and when schools are given the ability to directly pay players with media money, then it might become an issue, but right now it's not.

Not to mention that NIL all it takes is one person with a lot of money to compete at a high level, like we've seen with St Johns.

 

[History Geek]

People been saying this since 2013. The league won 3 titles since then. If and when schools are given the ability to directly pay players with media money, then it might become an issue, but right now it's not.

Not to mention that NIL all it takes is one person with a lot of money to compete at a high level, like we've seen with St Johns.

Things are different now than 2013.

 

[How Sway?!]

Things are different now than 2013.

Don't disagree, but when a conference has survived multiple "fatal" wounds throughout it's history and has continued to thrive, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do it again.

 

[History Geek]

Don't disagree, but when a conference has survived multiple "fatal" wounds throughout it's history and has continued to thrive, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do it again.

Because the paradigm is about to be turned on its head like it never has before.

 

[History Geek]

 

[John]

Think about how we looked at Butler, Creighton and Xavier when the pre-2013 Big East was around - nothing but mid-majors.

 

[How Sway?!]

The other Fox game also got outdrawn by ESPN games. It involved the B1G. Making such declarations without contextualizing weakens the argument.

 

[History Geek]

The other Fox game also got outdrawn by ESPN games. It involved the B1G. Making such declarations without contextualizing weakens the argument.

Fair point. I stand by my assertion that I think the BE won’t survive in the upcoming landscape without accepting a football wing. I can see an ACC remnant/Big East merger that is strong G-whatever in both football and hoops.

 

[UConnJim]

Fair point. I stand by my assertion that I think the BE won’t survive in the upcoming landscape without accepting a football wing. I can see an ACC remnant/Big East merger that is strong G-whatever in both football and hoops.

Not happening. The TV money is from football and you would need at least 12 football schools for a BE football league to make any sense. And, it would mean a 21 school BE basketball conference which isn't going to work. Plus, you would bring back the football/basketball tension again which nobody wants.

 

[dayooper]

Fair point. I stand by my assertion that I think the BE won’t survive in the upcoming landscape without accepting a football wing. I can see an ACC remnant/Big East merger that is strong G-whatever in both football and hoops.

A big East with Duke, Syracuse, BC, Pitt and maybe NCST would be fun. They all are fairly local and there would be existing rivalries there. You would need 2 more local teams to get to 8 football schools. I’m not sure you would want the Cali teams or SMU, but the alternatives would be UMass, Temple and Buffalo

 

[Hogoff]

A big East with Duke, Syracuse, BC, Pitt and maybe NCST would be fun. They all are fairly local and there would be existing rivalries there. You would need 2 more local teams to get to 8 football schools. I’m not sure you would want the Cali teams or SMU, but the alternatives would be UMass, Temple and Buffalo

USF a Memphis maybe.