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It is not a stupid idea. I think there is a meaningful possibility that the Big East will merge with or be in partnership with one of the P5 conferences within 5 years. Content is content. Stop thinking of realignment along 2002 parameters.
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Why did you think today was the day? Did you have inside info on something possibly happening?
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Doubt it.
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Conference members with inconsistent goals and disagreements on how to divide the TV money is a recipe for disaster. We know that better than anyone. People think the FSU/Clemson whining over revenue sharing is an issue? Having basketball only schools in an all sports conference would make that look like a love-in.
What you might see are more scheduling agreements. The annual challenges are pretty successful.
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Yup. Anyone with half a brain would know UConn would not be interested in that. So total BS, I agree.
From your prior posts, you indicated you had an inside source. Have you talked to them again and that is why you are changing your thoughts?
Or are you just changing your mind based on what is posted on the board?
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Hasn't Yormark indicated he'd like to sell the basketball and football content separately?
I don't think it's such a crazy idea to pick off a St. John's and UConn to host 10+ Big 12 games in MSG every year. UConn as a full sports member of course.
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Where the game is played is irrelevant to TV other than time zone. UConn isn't moving any league games to MSG. St. Johns has no particular appeal to most people outside of Queens, and not many in Queens.
Half this fanbase seems to live in a bubble. I Googled St. John's Attendance to see what they did at MSG and the first several results are from various high schools. That says it all about St. John's. St. John's averaged 5,588 per game over 18 home games. I can't find the attendance for the MSG game vs Nova or the game at Barclays.
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I tend to disagree. I'm not necessarily saying St. John's is the answer but having a presence in NYC is valuable. So in that sense it's far less about St. John's than their location.
I'd think having northeast visibility would be important for university President's for future students and perhaps even for alumni living in NYC.
Small price to pay in the scheme of things to plant a flag in NYC.
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In other words, it’s over. =(
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It is a crazy idea when tv contracts for basketball and football are marketed and sold together. If it ever becomes common practice to market and sell the two sports separately, it's no longer crazy.
I don't get the whole thing about this being about football. If it was about football, then why are they trying to get the worst football team in the P5 so bad? Colorado has been near if not the worst football team in the P5 for some time now, whether you look at the past 5 years, past 10 years, or past 20 years. They have had the advantage of being in a P5 league and have proven they don't move the needle. I doubt they are betting conference membership on the fact that Deion turns the team instantaneously around after 20 horrible years. There are obviously other factors going into their decision that weigh much more than past football performance.
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Ok. Just don't tell the Big12 commissioner that.
“Do I think we’re undervalued? Certainly I do. Do I think there’s an opportunity down the road to maybe decouple football from basketball when we go back into that next TV cycle? I certainly do,” said Yormark. “No one has thought about it that way."
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Thanks. He indicated earlier today that there are discussions going on this week regarding basketball only adds. Do you believe there’s any truth to that? I actually don’t think it’s a horrible idea.
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SJU will not be jumping to a FB conference as long as Brian Shanley is their President. He was the driving force behind the C7 splitting in the first place. His father's firm, Duffy & Shanley came up with the BE name and original logo.
I listen to his PATC show. I don’t think he’s full of crap. He has never lied to his audience. When he receives bad information, he admits it. He clearly has connections, as evidenced by his knowledge of USC joining the B1G months in advance. I believe he was posting that was going to happen for 4 months before the world knew.
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Yes, and maybe he can pull that off. But just how much can you expand and help that value? UConn and Colorado would get them to 14. Arizona and ASU would be 16. Beyond 12 you aren't adding inventory, you're just adding teams. There are only going to be so many league games. That's even more true in football, but the Big East has a round robin, most leagues can't. So a school like St. Johns isn't additive at all. UConn is. Arizona is. Because a game between say K-State and UConn or UA is a bigger game than K-State - Iowa State. K-State vs St. Johns isn't.
At this stage that is what I think drives expansion (Hence UCLA and USC). Inventory doesn't really go up because league games are capped. But with more big name/big brand programs, you can build a schedule that has more appealing matchups every week. There will be dud games, but you don't care b/c those are being sold to CBSSN or will be non linear.
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I can't always fault people for things they don't know, but are you unfamiliar with his history? He has been a self -proclaimed conference realignment expert/insider for years and in all that time has gotten one "scoop"
Everything else has been drivel
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I agree that he definitely gets some good information, and he will also admit when he does not. That being said, I would imagine he has limited sources that may be providing information from their perspective.
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He’s just repackaging this Pat Forde article from a week ago:
-> Plan A might be plundering two to four teams from the Pac-12. Plan B might be a Colorado-UConn power play—but if Colorado is a non-starter, that probably ends the scenario. Non-football aspirations could involve St. John’s, which has the big-dollar booster backing of Vitamin Water founder Mike Repole and just landed Rick Pitino as its coach. They could involve Gonzaga, the hoops power of the Pacific Northwest, which would get the Big 12 into all four time zones and at least partially fulfill pursuit of a coast-to-coast conference.
And, dare to dream, should the Big 12 continue to pursue an NYC presence, grabbing Syracuse in the fallout from an Atlantic Coast Conference breakup could be a (far) down-the-road idea. Between UConn, St. John’s and Syracuse, the Big 12 could actually deliver a decent slice of the New York City market—at least in one sport. <-