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If Texas, OU, OSU, and TT go Pac12 does the B12 look to add who...proly UC, UH, BYU? And would it even matter...if the
"Texa-homa Four" go to the Pac12 I would make a case that the P5 would become the P4. Would the B12 "bcs bowl" have the option to pull out of the agreement? Right now the B12 winner takes on the SEC in the Sugar I believe...if Texas/OU/TT/OSU pull out of the B12 I'm guessing the Sugar has the option of re-looking at the landscape.
 
SDSU to the Pac12 is a no brainer (if they can't lure Texas/OU/OSU/TT from the b12).

But the second add with SDSU is the tricky part: unlv, col st., boise, and byu all have a wart or two for various reasons...
 
The Dude is on a roll today. Says he's hearing B1G has its sights on TX & Mizzou to the B1G w/ OU & Vandy as the backup. Says the B1G would buy the Longhorn Network from ESPN. No word on the GoR for the B12. Paints scenario of the D4 conferences acting more like divisions than conferences.

Source.

· The Dude of WV ‏@theDudeofWV 4h
According to top B1G source the B1G has its eyes set on Texas & Mizzou. Oklahoma & Vandy are Plan B.
 
  1. Tuxedo Yoda‏@TuxedoYoda35m
  2. @gerrydinardo Dennis Dodd of CBS strongly suggesting more B1G expansion is on the way.....you hearing anything? Any guesses on targets?
  1. Gerry DiNardo‏@gerrydinardo30m
  2. @TuxedoYoda I haven't heard anything. Guess would be based on ACC Grant of Rights.

  1. Tuxedo Yoda‏@TuxedoYoda24m
  2. @gerrydinardo Last I heard, the ACC GOR still had not been signed. If that is the case, this could get wild.

  • Gerry DiNardo
gerrydinardo1m@TuxedoYoda

  • I would agree
Tuxedo Yoda‏@TuxedoYoda47m
Do I believe the Texas to the B1G rumors? No. Would I like to see it happen to watch Tx Tech & Baylor fade away to nothingness? Yes.
 
I really hope someone's compiling a document of all the crap the dood has thrown at the wall so that one of those pieces of crap sticks, we can calculate the ratio of stick vs. non-sticking crap. My guess is it'll be very low. Not that it'll stop him (or others) from crowing about being the CR Nostradamus.
 
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The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV30m
Thinking hard on the B1G news and Texas. Trying to conjure reasons for it to be true (bad sign there).

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV27m
Here's my 3 major points... feel free to shoot holes in them...

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV26m
1. Having whiffed on ND, DeLoss Dodd is concerned about his legacy & the LHN therefore he wants to land Texas in the B1G before he retires.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV27m
2. The B1G has egg on its face over RU/UMD and FSU/UVA and wants/needs a big name to take into contract talks with the networks next year.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV26m
3. Its another power play on the part of Texas to end talk of Big 12 expansion.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV24m
4. Could Fox add $ to the BTN contract to compensate Texas for UT home games the B12 would retain rights to?
 
jostar1 said:
The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV30m
Thinking hard on the B1G news and Texas. Trying to conjure reasons for it to be true (bad sign there).

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV27m
Here's my 3 major points... feel free to shoot holes in them...

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV26m
1. Having whiffed on ND, DeLoss Dodd is concerned about his legacy & the LHN therefore he wants to land Texas in the B1G before he retires.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV27m
2. The B1G has egg on its face over RU/UMD and FSU/UVA and wants/needs a big name to take into contract talks with the networks next year.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV26m
3. Its another power play on the part of Texas to end talk of Big 12 expansion.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV24m
4. Could Fox add $ to the BTN contract to compensate Texas for UT home games the B12 would retain rights to?
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Is it really news if only he is reporting it?

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jostar1 said:
The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV30m
Thinking hard on the B1G news and Texas. Trying to conjure reasons for it to be true (bad sign there).

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV27m
Here's my 3 major points... feel free to shoot holes in them...

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV26m
1. Having whiffed on ND, DeLoss Dodd is concerned about his legacy & the LHN therefore he wants to land Texas in the B1G before he retires.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV27m
2. The B1G has egg on its face over RU/UMD and FSU/UVA and wants/needs a big name to take into contract talks with the networks next year.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV26m
3. Its another power play on the part of Texas to end talk of Big 12 expansion.

The Dude of WV‏@theDudeofWV24m
4. Could Fox add $ to the BTN contract to compensate Texas for UT home games the B12 would retain rights to?
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Dude, that's 4 reasons.

At least this series of posts have a general idea that could have some truth behind it, all be it very unlikely. It is at least plausible that the B1G would be interested in Texas and may have even done homework on Texas. But the B1G is not alone, as every conference would be interested in Texas.
 
He's so out of ideas he's rehashing old orangebloods rumors from 2 years ago, or however long ago that was.
 
whaler11 said:
What what what and what? BYU and Cal. Um ok.
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In advance, I have nothing against Mormons or the LDS. Every Mormon I've ever met (Army/Business), to a person, was someone I would have been proud to call a friend, period. Reliable, loyal and remarkably non-judgmental are descriptors I would use.

Some years back, during a stretch when BYU was really (top-10) good, there was an article (might have been the NYTimes) that discussed the fact that BYU had not been invited to play in any of the major (at the time, Rose, Cotton, Orange, Sugar) bowls. The reason offered was simple. Mormons don't spend money on partying and, the cities that put on bowl games subliminally sell the events as a long, profitable weekends of parties, booze and debauchery. Mormons don't debauch. Read that as Mormons don't spend the money required for a good debauch.

Every time BYU comes up in the CR discussion, I wonder how much the above attitude effects the conversation? Maybe the LDS could offer a prospective conference a monetary "debauchery deposit" as a guarantee.
 
Lock City Husky said:
The Dude is on a roll today. Says he's hearing B1G has its sights on TX & Mizzou to the B1G w/ OU & Vandy as the backup. Says the B1G would buy the Longhorn Network from ESPN. No word on the GoR for the B12. Paints scenario of the D4 conferences acting more like divisions than conferences.

Source.

·The Dude of WV ‏@theDudeofWV 4h
According to top B1G source the B1G has its eyes set on Texas & Mizzou. Oklahoma & Vandy are Plan B.
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In what world does the B1G take Texas and Mizzou without Kansas and Oklahoma -- or Oklahoma and Vandy ahead of Kansas and Missouri? Why Oklahoma or Vandy ahead of UConn? This makes no sense.
 
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Oklahoma football over uconn is a no brainer. Vandy? Academics maybe, but I doubt they would leave the sec. I guess they're going to really challenge these gors I guess. We will see I guess.
 
noeynox said:
Oklahoma football over uconn is a no brainer. Vandy? Academics maybe, but I doubt they would leave the sec. I guess they're going to really challenge these gors I guess. We will see I guess.
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UConn basketball, near-AAU, and northeast markets over Oklahoma is a no-brainer. Oklahoma is Nebraska without any contiguous B1G state and with worse academics/research. Vandy likewise has no contiguous B1G state and southerners would lose interest in a B1G/northern conference. Why would the B1G go for small-market schools on geographic islands far from the conference? Oklahoma is attractive if they come with Kansas and Texas. Vandy, I don't see it.
 
pj said:
UConn basketball, near-AAU, and northeast markets over Oklahoma is a no-brainer. Oklahoma is Nebraska without any contiguous B1G state and with worse academics/research. Vandy likewise has no contiguous B1G state and southerners would lose interest in a B1G/northern conference. Why would the B1G go for small-market schools on geographic islands far from the conference? Oklahoma is attractive if they come with Kansas and Texas. Vandy, I don't see it.
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These perspectives give uconn a bad name.... Uconn over ok?
 
Bro, I love uconn, but Oklahoma football is the goods. Even with great hoops we are not trumping that. Vandy? Meh.
 
Would be the minimal amount of credible if he addressed the Ok St issue or said Tx/OU or Missou/Vandy. Of course if he actuality said Missou/Vandy he'd be laughed off the internet.

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Marty Jackson said:
These perspectives give uconn a bad name.... Uconn over ok?
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What are criteria the B1G has named:
- AAU. UConn is close, Oklahoma far, far away.
- Contiguous state. UConn is for all practical purposes contiguous, Oklahoma is not.
- Market size. UConn and Oklahoma are equal sized states but UConn brings penetration into New York and Massachusetts.
- Brand. UConn is a national basketball brand, Oklahoma a national football brand. Football is more valuable than basketball, but not by as much as people think.

If Oklahoma separates from Texas, Oklahoma's football plummets. So much is based on the Red River Rivalry and access to Texas recruiting grounds. Oklahoma is more valuable in the Big XII than in the B1G, unless Texas and Kansas come with it.
 
Nebraska would lobby for OU to the point of banging the table with a shoe. Iowa too.

For all the academic talk this is still predominantly about FB and if OU is available they're in. Forgetting for a second that if they are available it means Texas has already decided to go with them.

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Texas and Oklahoma have only been in the same conference for the past 20 years - the Red River Rivalry won't go away regardless of which team leaves the Big 12.

I do agree that there's very little in common between OU and Big Ten schools as academic institutions though....then again, Nebraska joined so there's that.
 
I would agree, the B1G would put aside AAU (FYI, US news has Michigan #29, Texas #46, Ohio St #56, UConn #63, Oklahoma #101, Oklahoma St #139, Texas Tech #165) in a heartbeat for the money that Oklahoma and Texas would bring. The big questions is 1) would Texas be willing to share control with Ohio St, Michigan, etc. for the B1G World and 2) would the B1G be willing to take on Texas Tech and Oklahoma State for political reasons as part of the package.
 
pj said:
What are criteria the B1G has named:
- AAU. UConn is close, Oklahoma far, far away.
- Contiguous state. UConn is for all practical purposes contiguous, Oklahoma is not.
- Market size. UConn and Oklahoma are equal sized states but UConn brings penetration into New York and Massachusetts.
- Brand. UConn is a national basketball brand, Oklahoma a national football brand. Football is more valuable than basketball, but not by as much as people think.

If Oklahoma separates from Texas, Oklahoma's football plummets. So much is based on the Red River Rivalry and access to Texas recruiting grounds. Oklahoma is more valuable in the Big XII than in the B1G, unless Texas and Kansas come with it.
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Can't believe you are really debating this.

a) TRADITION...
b) TRADITION...
c) TRADITION...

OK is a top 10 program.
 
pj said:
What are criteria the B1G has named:
- AAU. UConn is close, Oklahoma far, far away.
- Contiguous state. UConn is for all practical purposes contiguous, Oklahoma is not.
- Market size. UConn and Oklahoma are equal sized states but UConn brings penetration into New York and Massachusetts.
- Brand. UConn is a national basketball brand, Oklahoma a national football brand. Football is more valuable than basketball, but not by as much as people think.
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- Oklahoma is exempt of the AAU requirement. Just as Nebraska was (remember the B1G presidents cast the deciding votes against Nebraska). Just as ND is. No other schools are.
- Uconn and Oklahoma may have equal sized states, and Uconn may draw parts of NYC and Boston, but you forgot to mention that Oklahoma draws from every city and state. Mich, Neb, OSU, PSU, Wisky, Iowa vs Oklahoma are all national games.
- Football is about 10x more valuable than basketball, at least per the TV contracts.

Oh, and we are talking about OKLAHOMA. They are one of only a few teams that have an unofficial open invite to join any conference they desire.
 
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noeynox said:
Bro, I love uconn, but Oklahoma football is the goods. Even with great hoops we are not trumping that. Vandy? Meh.
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100% agree here...UCONN hoops is great but vs OU football it's a no brainer. Football drives the bus and OU football is blue blood so...doesn't take much to figure that one out. If you look at ratings regular season football games far exceed regular season bball bball games. Heck even crappy lower bowls draw comparable if not better tv ratings than say duke/unc in hoops. The only thing bball has that draws huge ratings in is March Madness...and that's it.

Really the lack of "getting it" concerning the importance of football vs basketball is what doomed the BE...imo anyway.

Look at the last BE expansion. Cincy wasn't invited to the BE because of hoops; the BE didn't need Cincy hoops. We got in becasue of football. In our case at that time, it was the potential of football, but football none the less. UC was taken over Memphis. Why? Cincy had made a large investment to football (Varsity Village) and Memphis didn't. Look at today...why is UC spending 80 mil to upgrade and expand Nippert? Because they hope to get an invite to a P5 conference. In fact our AD Whit Babcock (came from Mizzou) was told by the B12 if we do this Nippert expansion/upgrade and keep winning in football it should "be enough" to get in.

So if you have a choice of taking OU football or UCONN hoops you pick OU football 100 times out of a 100.

Not a knock on UCONN...I root for you guys being in same conference and all and think you deserve a P5 invite along with UC. Just my input...
 
Bearcats#1 said:
100% agree here...UCONN hoops is great but vs OU football it's a no brainer. Football drives the bus and OU football is blue blood so...doesn't take much to figure that one out. If you look at ratings regular season football games far exceed regular season bball bball games. Heck even crappy lower bowls draw comparable if not better tv ratings than say duke/unc in hoops. The only thing bball has that draws huge ratings in is March Madness...and that's it.

Really the lack of "getting it" concerning the importance of football vs basketball is what doomed the BE...imo anyway.

Look at the last BE expansion. Cincy wasn't invited to the BE because of hoops; the BE didn't need Cincy hoops. We got in becasue of football. In our case at that time, it was the potential of football, but football none the less. UC was taken over Memphis. Why? Cincy had made a large investment to football (Varsity Village) and Memphis didn't. Look at today...why is UC spending 80 mil to upgrade and expand Nippert? Because they hope to get an invite to a P5 conference. In fact our AD Whit Babcock (came from Mizzou) was told by the B12 if we do this Nippert expansion/upgrade and keep winning in football it should "be enough" to get in.

So if you have a choice of taking OU football or UCONN hoops you pick OU football 100 times out of a 100.

Not a knock on UCONN...I root for you guys being in same conference and all and think you deserve a P5 invite along with UC. Just my input...
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We can agree re: deserving a P-5 invite. If Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, BC "deserved" a P-5 invite then we sure as hell do too!
 
PJ is a good uconn fan. We need more like him, from time to time we all overstate the value of our team/program regardless of who our team/program is. Like upitt said above, there is a reason nebraska was grabbed ahead of umd/ru the first time. Anytime you can grab a truly premium football brand you do it.

All that said, OU is in GOR bind, we are not. Fun to speculate but I'm not packing suitcases to big 10 towns anytime soon.
 
T. Boone Pickens (Oklahoma State mega-booster) might be upset over losing Oklahoma, too.
 
UPitt said:
- Oklahoma is exempt of the AAU requirement. Just as Nebraska was (remember the B1G presidents cast the deciding votes against Nebraska). Just as ND is. No other schools are.
- Uconn and Oklahoma may have equal sized states, and Uconn may draw parts of NYC and Boston, but you forgot to mention that Oklahoma draws from every city and state. Mich, Neb, OSU, PSU, Wisky, Iowa vs Oklahoma are all national games.
- Football is about 10x more valuable than basketball, at least per the TV contracts.

Oh, and we are talking about OKLAHOMA. They are one of only a few teams that have an unofficial open invite to join any conference they desire.
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Except the Pac10.

The Pac10 didn't want them.

And not because of Okie St.

Oh, and the B1G doesn't want them either.
 
upstater said:
Except the Pac10.

The Pac10 didn't want them.

And not because of Okie St.

Oh, and the B1G doesn't want them either.
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Just curious, how are you so sure that the B1G doesn't want Oklahoma? I am not agreeing or disagreeing, just asking for your insight.
 
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