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Pretty sure this is all made up, but I appreciate the narrative crafting.
Pretty sure this is all made up, but I appreciate the narrative crafting.
If we (the Big10) go to 16, I don't think you will be included. I personally think you should be, but I don't get to make those decisions. If it's 16 with Oklahoma as #15, Kansas or Texas would be #16. If it's more than 16, you will be a Big10 member, IMO.
The very idea that the most important thing the the President of the University of Connecticut should be judged on is conference realignment is so far beyond stupid that there is nothing more to say.
If the B1G can pick-off OU as #15 and goes to 16, then I agree that it will be between Kansas and UConn for #16 assuming Texas has no interest at that time. OU's football value and support from Nebraska & others will outweigh its Academic rank. Kansas likely gets in over UConn as it is AAU (though UConn ranks higher academically), its basketball blueblood status (though UConn has more titles and has the women's team), and as it serves as a landbridge to OU and potentially Texas (B1G should have taken Missouri) which outweighs UConn's stronger market access to the NYC and Boston markets. If the B1G goes to 20, which I believe is the goal, Texas is #17, UConn is #18 and then the question is if ND would be attracted to a conference stretching from NYC to Houston and jump ship as #19. #20 is a question.
How the hell can we be the next in line for all these conferences yet never get in? The more I think about it the more I think we are never going to be respected regardless of all of our national championships because we have not been at the big boy table since the dawn of time.... that is the only rationale reason that schools like BC, SU, Wake Forest, NC St., Iowa St., Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, etc... are considered P5 and we are not.
@kyleslamb - can you confirm that this the most current Big12 GOR? Thx.
Big 12 Grant of Rights Agreement.pdf
OSU to the B1G with OU? Thanks but no thanks, Delaney walks on that w/o any hesitation. The B1G will not repeat the mistakes of the past (made by other conferences) which include taking two schools covering the same state, particularly in small states. No matter the politics of Oklahoma or T Boon's $, B1G has the leverage as they have the club and the club doesn't need OU that badly.
I just can't see Delany taking Texas as anything other than asn an equal partner. That means no Texas power plays and no LHN.
If Delaney could get Oklahoma, Kansas and Texas for sure, and all he has to do is accept Oklahoma State, he's taking that deal. Yeah the Big Ten presidents probably don't care to have Oklahoma State, but if it gets them those three schools, they'll do it. That said, I think they would try to get Oklahoma without Oklahoma State. But if it's to a point where taking both gets them all four of those, they're gonna do that IMHO.
GREG S W A I M SHOW @G S · 6h6 hours ago
The latest #Big12Expansion theory is that after interviews TV partners offered #Big12 more money not to expand. We may know on October 17th.
Rjtim@Raiderfan1960
@G S neurotic! Not sure now that BYU would be better off staying out.
GREG S W A I M SHOW @G S · 2h2 hours ago
Agree wholeheartedly, and want my alma mater, #OKState, to get out of the #Big12 asap.
Not without a GOR extension that Texas and OU would never agree to.The math on this doesn't work at all for the networks. There is very little incentive to pay the Big 12 not to expand.
Maybe, but he's not giving in on that point easily. I think Delaney would much prefer UConn to OSU and even ISU to OSU.
My guess is that OU's only real obligation won't be to bring OSU with them, but to find a tolerable landing spot for them. If OSU can get an SEC invite, OU is going to be free to go where they want.
That said, I don't think Texas is going to the B1G. I'd say the Pac or even ACC are more likely.
I definitely agree the Big Ten would prefer UConn to OSU in a vacuum, but realignment isn't in a vacuum so they'll do what they have to do to land the big prize(s). That said, I've been saying I think UConn ends up in the Big Ten for a while and I still believe that. I personally feel OSU will be given quarters in the SEC, but if Oklahoma holds firm on them joining, the Big Ten won't risk it.
I think this is pie in the sky. We are always going to be the bridesmaid, always on the short list. We just can't bring enough overall value - $ talk.If the B1G can pick-off OU as #15 and goes to 16, then I agree that it will be between Kansas and UConn for #16 assuming Texas has no interest at that time. OU's football value and support from Nebraska & others will outweigh its Academic rank. Kansas likely gets in over UConn as it is AAU (though UConn ranks higher academically), its basketball blueblood status (though UConn has more titles and has the women's team), and as it serves as a landbridge to OU and potentially Texas (B1G should have taken Missouri) which outweighs UConn's stronger market access to the NYC and Boston markets. If the B1G goes to 20, which I believe is the goal, Texas is #17, UConn is #18 and then the question is if ND would be attracted to a conference stretching from NYC to Houston and jump ship as #19. #20 is a question.
As for OK St, I think they have a shot at the SEC based on their deep pocked donor, and decent football and basketball pedigree and as if the ACC stays together, OK State is one of the few viable candidates to get the SEC t0 16 along with whoever is the best of the rest in Texas, maybe TCU?
They don't have to take either, though.
UConn isn't getting into the B1G unless we join the AAU or go to the football playoff, maybe both.
Another season like this year and ND may be in the ACC for FB soon. They are playing just for a "bowl" now. Not a playoff bowl, not a primo New Years Day or NY Eve bowl but just a "bowl". No Orange bowl, and no Orlando bowl because with 3 losses and probably at least 1 or 2 more on the schedule, they will be at least 2 games behind the #2 and probably the #3ACC team (FSU, Ville, Clemson, UNC and VT all have very good chances to be 2 games up on ND at season end W/L). No chance to move up in the ACC standings even though they play 5 of them this year since since they don't belong to the conference.II mean, unless Notre Dame wiggles loose in 2025 from the ACC, there really aren't any other options.
If they have a chance to land Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas, they almost have to take one of those two if we're assuming the ACC is off-limits.
This is building hypotheticals on top of hypotheticals. They can stop at Oklahoma and Texas if that were to happen, and if they don't get both, then they can add Kansas (or whomever, I know they are land grant and AAU but they were like 57th in the WSJ what's your sports team worth and the largest market in the state is 65th).
Polite Kansas rebuttal
Receiving strong consideration is what we do.KU's home market is the entire Kansas City metro area which is 33rd.
That WSJ quote is for football programs only (where we ranked 57th in football in the latest WSJ report for football based on 2015). Our basketball program ranks 2nd nationally in value at almost three times our football brand's worth and combining the two major revenue sports would see us rank much, much higher in total net value than 57th.
I'm not saying I disagree with your premise but there is significant reason to believe (albeit not guaranteed) that the B1G will look strongly at KU should the ACC be off the table (which it seems it is). Our $1.85 billion endowment would keep us very much competitive with the figures for many of the current B1G schools as well.
I'm sure UConn would likewise receive strong consideration.