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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
@UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
OU/WVU/ISU/KU horse trading votes with Texas faction.
Boren/Gee = UC/UCONN

Drew Livingstone ‏@drubikscube · 9m9 minutes ago
@flugempire @UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94 "horse trading votes with Texas faction"? Please explain.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 12m12 minutes ago
@drubikscube @UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
This is about elevating 4 schools to receive 8 votes.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
@drubikscube @UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
UH can't get to 8 on their own.
Neither can anyone else(UC exception)

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
@drubikscube @UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
UT planted flag for UH. Others are pushing non Texas schools

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
@drubikscube @UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
Consensus is being built.
Horse trading of votes internally in B12

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3m3 minutes ago
@drubikscube @UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
TV partners FOX/ESPN having their voices heard through UT(ESPN)OU(FOX)

Seasileo‏@ToddSeastrand
@flugempire @drubikscube @UtahPigBus @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94 well there ya go, everyone satisfied. Gets real hard if it's only 2 !

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 48s48 seconds ago
@ToddSeastrand @drubikscube @UtahPigBus @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
You have to get to 14...to get to 12....to get to 14.
Horse Trading
 
jostar1 said:
Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
@UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
OU/WVU/ISU/KU horse trading votes with Texas faction.
Boren/Gee = UC/UCONN

Drew Livingstone ‏@drubikscube · 9m9 minutes ago
@flugempire @UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94 "horse trading votes with Texas faction"? Please explain.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 12m12 minutes ago
@drubikscube @UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
This is about elevating 4 schools to receive 8 votes.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
@drubikscube @UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
UH can't get to 8 on their own.
Neither can anyone else(UC exception)

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
@drubikscube @UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
UT planted flag for UH. Others are pushing non Texas schools

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
@drubikscube @UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
Consensus is being built.
Horse trading of votes internally in B12

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3m3 minutes ago
@drubikscube @UtahPigBus @ToddSeastrand @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
TV partners FOX/ESPN having their voices heard through UT(ESPN)OU(FOX)

Seasileo‏@ToddSeastrand
@flugempire @drubikscube @UtahPigBus @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94 well there ya go, everyone satisfied. Gets real hard if it's only 2 !

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 48s48 seconds ago
@ToddSeastrand @drubikscube @UtahPigBus @PortlandUte @zachedmonds94
You have to get to 14...to get to 12....to get to 14.
Horse Trading
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UT and Texas politics putting Houston into the mix may actually save us it seems. Without that they may only go to two, but with Houston in the mix four just makes more sense to appease everyone.
 
dwalks93 said:
Not sure if this is posted somewhere else but it uses "objective" criteria to look at the candidates.

Ranking 8 candidates for Big 12 expansion by what the conference says it wants

IMHO the bottom line is when metrics are applied objectively, UConn is a very, very strong candidate. In order to "disqualify" UConn, posters and haters need to change the narrative to justify their conclusions. (see the comments on the above article.)

If there is one positive to this painful process it is UConn's objective value is finally being recognized. The old argument that "if UConn had value the ACC would have taken them" is not supported by the metrics. It also assumes the ACC expanded purely on "value" whereas all UConn fans know there were a compilation of personality and power struggles which lead to not entirely value based ACC decisions.

If the Big12 goes to 14 its seems difficult to justify not taking UConn. UConn is likely in the top 2 and is certainly in the top 4 in almost every category. UConn is the top academic school, most decorated overall athletic program (BYU has an argument as well), the solitary state flagship of the likely candidates, and probably has the most potential room for growth (at least in football.)

It is truly amazing to watch the pundits try to contort the data to justify their teams. The "total value of the program is football with 75% based on the football record last year" just seems ridiculous. Couple that with the "UConn is too far away" but Utah and Florida are commuter distance and "no one cares about about college sports in Connecticut" and we have a trifecta of the ridiculous.

At the end of the day UConn may not be the perfect fit for the Big12 but we are arguably the top available brand and we are a program which will get looks from the ACC and BIG if they ever expand. No, I am not saying the BIG or ACC is taking UConn now but instead the market drives the value of the program. UConn is arguably the most market demanded G5 team so the Big12 would be making a financial mistake to not grab "the best player at the position" even if it is not the perfect position.

UConn just needs the Big12 expansion evaluation criteria to stay objective and defined. If that happens UConn will be invited if B12 expansion occurs. B12 emotions and politics should be UConn's biggest fears. There is a reason all the B12 sports writers suddenly changing their tunes once metrics came out....UConn is a much better program than its outside of Connecticut public perception.
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Dumb, dumb, and dumber... Please tell me the world is flat or that the moon is made of cheese. These media hacks aren't worth a lick.

The article says, ranked by what the big 12 has stated are important. Never mentions geography, then the obligatory, "if uconn can overcome the distance"... Did the Big 12 mention location in their criteria?


And measuring academic strength on endowment while mocking usnwr rankings? If endowmen measures the ability of a school to spend capital, is it worth mentioning the $1B committed by the state of CT to Uconn? No because that would require effort.
The Internet has killed journalistic integrity and any sense of actual fact finding.
 
GREG S W A I M ‏@GS wa im · 8h8 hours ago

Top four haven't changed for #Big12 expansion, but #5 moving up on #4...

1. #BYU
2. #GoCoogs
3. #UCBearcats
4. #GoTigersGo
5. #UConn
 
Reading comments to CR article in SB Nation. They are arguing about teams wins and losses. The only thing that matters is Cable Boxes, what do they not understand? The whole objective of CR is money. Doesn't matter how many in stadium, or who is watching on tv (except for advertising $). Plus cable boxes in wealthy areas get tv more dollars for upscale viewers.

I know there is more but I'm too tired to go into it.
 
jostar1 said:
GREG S W A I M ‏@GS wa im · 8h8 hours ago

Top four haven't changed for #Big12 expansion, but #5 moving up on #4...

1. #BYU
2. #GoCoogs
3. #UCBearcats
4. #GoTigersGo
5. #UConn
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I give this a 50/50 chance of being correct
The 4th spot is between us and Memphis and they are lining pockets
and Houston was an inside job
If it was two it was always going to be Cinncy and BYU
 
uconnell said:
Reading comments to CR article in SB Nation. They are arguing about teams wins and losses. The only thing that matters is Cable Boxes, what do they not understand? The whole objective of CR is money. Doesn't matter how many in stadium, or who is watching on tv (except for advertising $). Plus cable boxes in wealthy areas get tv more dollars for upscale viewers.

I know there is more but I'm too tired to go into it.
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Look at you Nell, all CR experty.
 
JMick said:
UT and Texas politics putting Houston into the mix may actually save us it seems. Without that they may only go to two, but with Houston in the mix four just makes more sense to appease everyone.
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I think it is unlikely Houston makes the cut if it is just 2 teams. I don't think the northern teams will go for it, and I don't see UT or the Governor laying down on the tracks over UH. I still think we are one of the Top 3 going for 2 slots, and in good shape if it goes to 4 slots.

Flugs doesn't have a great track record, but he seems more credible than the Key Tweet journalists who think this has anything to do with last year's record.
 
I was listening to College Sports Radio this am during my commute and Swaim and some other guy were talking B12 expansion. Wow, they really don't get it at all. Swaim spent five minutes saying why Houston is the best, most logical candidate. footprint, facilities, coach, current football program, former Heisman trophy winner. Said the other Texas schools might not want competition for recruiting, but everything else makes too much sense. After that he thought BYU, then Memphis/Cincy and CSU. But said they should only go to two because it would dilute the revenues too much.

I wanted to call them and ask them why they thought the B12 was expanding? IT was dumb and dumber.

they said the twitter folk suggesting the B12 grab an ACC,, B10 or SEC school were clueless because those schools get a lot more money than B12. then went on to say that while a longshot, they should look at the Pac12 schools like Utah or the AZ schools.

They literally had everything wrong
 
billybud said:
From a Big 12 board thread on CR....TV ratings in millions watching

Going back and adding up rating from the past three years 2013, 2014, and 2015 (including conference championship and bowl games) yields the following:

Navy = 41M
Boise = 39M
BYU = 39M
UCF = 31M
Houston = 25M
Army = 23M
Cincy= 22M
Northern Ill = 21M
East Carolina = 21M
Temple = 21M
UConn = 20M
Fresno = 19M
San Diego St = 14M
Memphis = 14M
USF = 13M
SMU = 13M
Tulsa = 12M

Tulane = 5M
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And more people watch UConn basketball than any of those football programs. I wish people would stop assuming that football is everything. It's a lot, it isn't everything.
 
Kevin Caliendo said:
They literally had everything wrong
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Most professional sports media do not make conference realignment a day-to-day obsession like we do. Seriously, l've learned more than I ever imagined even existed, in terms of media contract boilerplate, GOR implications, university valuation, academic partnerships, etc., prior to 2011 when I started paying attention. These media guys started paying attention last Monday.
 
Mr. Wonderful said:
Most professional sports media do not make conference realignment a day-to-day obsession like we do. Seriously, l've learned more than I ever imagined even existed, in terms of media contract boilerplate, GOR implications, university valuation, academic partnerships, etc., prior to 2011 when I started paying attention. These media guys started paying attention last Monday.
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Swaim is Mr. Realignment. He's been talking about it for years. He is based on OK and is an OSU guy, I think. Listening to them was embarrassing. I listened to other CSR hosts over the weekend (admittedly for the first time) and most got the general gist
 
Kevin Caliendo said:
I was listening to College Sports Radio this am during my commute and and some other guy were talking B12 expansion. Wow, they really don't get it at all. spent five minutes saying why Houston is the best, most logical candidate. footprint, facilities, coach, current football program, former Heisman trophy winner. Said the other Texas schools might not want competition for recruiting, but everything else makes too much sense. After that he thought BYU, then Memphis/Cincy and CSU. But said they should only go to two because it would dilute the revenues too much.

It's unbelievable how inept some of these folks are, but a good sign of why most folks are broke. If this host still does not understand the tv contract and "dilution", he should be sent back to remedial learning.
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AZHuskiePop said:
I give this a 50/50 chance of being correct
The 4th spot is between us and Memphis and they are lining pockets
and Houston was an inside job
If it was two it was always going to be Cinncy and BYU
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Just don't see how Memphis is even in the discussion from a President's viewpoint.

Whether uconn is picked or not remains to be seen. I think there are other factors in play of which Uconn might not have the ability to control.
But, that said, any dispassionate view of any metrics has to have Uconn in the top 4 of candidates and likely in the Top 2.
 
There is only one way Memphis gets picked. If UT and OU (The two schools deciding this) know they are leaving, see all the candidates as one in the same over the short term, and taking the ones that will take the least amount of money until they leave.

I believe the scam was referred to as a bust out in the movie Goodfellas.
 
jostar1 said:
GREG S W A I M ‏@GS wa im · 8h8 hours ago

Top four haven't changed for #Big12 expansion, but #5 moving up on #4...

1. #BYU
2. #GoCoogs
3. #UCBearcats
4. #GoTigersGo
5. #UConn
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BYU - a school with a reputation for being uncooperative, that refuses to play on Sunday and demands to be accommodated, that possesses its own modest LHN-type deal, and that has been accused of covering up rape allegations. Just what the Big 12 wants? Doubtful.

Houston - A month ago the mediots said the northern schools liked Houston the best but the Texas schools would never stand for another recruiting rival. Now that Texas and Tech have endorsed Houston, the mediots have reversed their field of play and now claim the northern schools will never allow a fifth Texas school. Only conclusion - mediots don't know anything. Houston is in the clubhouse.

Cincy - just like in Houston but in Ohio. Uninspiring but non-controversial. Thought to be the closest thing to Louisville who the Big 12 supposedly regrets not taking last time. I'd say Cincy is in too.

Memphis - This suggestion can only be seriously considered by people who have so much contempt for the Big 12 that they imagine the Big 12 would whore itself out because Fred Smith's money is the only thing that even puts Memphis in this conversation. If the Big 12 wants a lousy program in the SEC footprint they could pick Tulane instead and have an infinitely better partner, academically speaking.

UConn - The best program available but likely the third pick whose invitation is probably contingent upon the Big 12 finding a tolerable fourth. The only reason Cincy and Houston are in ahead of UConn is because they're more easily accessible and they make a complementary couple.

Pray for a viable travel partner.
 
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 17h17 hours ago
Again I have reason to believe BYU is meeting with the Big 12 this upcoming week.

loyalblue15 ‏@loyalblue15 · 17h17 hours ago
@theDudeofWV awesome. But aren't they meeting with all schools interested to hear pitches?

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@loyalblue15 Good question. I would say no. They have all the data they need.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@JDFenwick1 @ChrisMack25 @GOZZER513 I think they know who the four are and are negotiating terms.
 
jostar1 said:
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 17h17 hours ago
Again I have reason to believe BYU is meeting with the Big 12 this upcoming week.

loyalblue15 ‏@loyalblue15 · 17h17 hours ago
@theDudeofWV awesome. But aren't they meeting with all schools interested to hear pitches?

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@loyalblue15 Good question. I would say no. They have all the data they need.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@JDFenwick1 @ChrisMack25 @GOZZER513 I think they know who the four are and are negotiating terms.
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The dude is so connected to BYU that he has to write open emails to Vanquish the Foe explaining what he knows, and even then, that blog won't corroborate or acknowledge anything he says.
 
Charley Horse said:
UConn - The best program available but likely the third pick whose invitation is probably contingent upon the Big 12 finding a tolerable fourth. The only reason Cincy and Houston are in ahead of UConn is because they're more easily accessible and they make a complementary couple.

Pray for a viable travel partner.
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But, if the B12 comes out of this expansion having only added parts of Cincy to their footprint, there will me major egg on the conference's face. This is why I think a Cincy/Houston expansion will need a bit more bolstering to have any impression on media partners, assuming of course that the B12 cares about its media partners.
 
If the leftover 8 are smart they should be parsing any numbers under a Texit with OU scenario. How does replacing OU with (insert 2 or 4 teams here) look for the renegotiatedelay contract?

Having a league with 4 Texas teams and none being UT or A&M will be undiscernable from a HD prep league as TV fodder. The eastern schools would be carrying a lot of the TV weight.

They should be planning for that.
 

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