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[Waquoit]

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 57m57 minutes ago
Meanwhile B12 continues to get data pouring in on G5 schools and aside from Uconn and BYU the numbers aren't great. Not even for Cincy.
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So the UConn numbers are great. Only good thing I've read here in weeks.

 

[upstater]

The funny thing is that a year ago we were told that UConn at $20m would be cutting into the pie of other teams. And now we're supposed to believe that Georgia Tech is worth $50m to the B1G. If they are worth $50m, then I guess Wake Forest is worth -$10m.

 

[Husky25]

As far as I'm concerned, unless UConn is directly mentioned in the tweet, all of these other messages are not non-key tweets and should be posted in the Non-Key Tweet Discussion thread.

Paging @Fishy !!

 

[Charley Horse]

Best thing that can happen right now for UCONN is Texas leaving the B12 and go to the ACC. Texas and ACC are ESPN properties so it will be an easy transition provided rest of the B12 agree to let them go. If OU/KU leaving is inevitable, B12 is better off just let Texas go now so they can try to build up the conference. Texas is gone if KU and OU are gone. There is no way Texas will stay behind in that conference. Texas can get the ND deal and remain in the ACC until B1G picks it apart. By then, Texas can decide to join B1G, SEC, or the PAC. Either way, Texas will be fine.

All the B12 schools other than Texas, KU, and OU must make decisions for themselves now if they want to survive. Expanding now is the right answer since there is strength in numbers. Also, it is easy to expand right now while they still got KU and OU for a few years. If UCONN and Cincy are onboard, it will lessen the impact when OU/KU/Texas leave. Hopefully, B1G will pick off a few ACC schools and B12 can either merge with the remaining or pick off remaining ACC schools.

Whether B12 make the right decision or not, it remains to be seen. Based on the history, I think B12 acts more like the old BE and will make all the wrong decisions. I hope I am wrong for UCONN's sake, but I haven't seen any pro-expansion movement out of B12 schools like TCU, ISU, KSU etc. They can't be this clueless but who knows.

The ESPN thing is logical and Texas might even like aligning itself with the academic credentials of some of the ACC bluebloods but I can't see Texas wanting to send its nonrevenue sports teams for multiple.games in the Eastern timezone when they have 100 year rivals nearby. I think Texas would love to have a few farflung conference outliers with in-market TV viewers in highly populous areas but I seriously doubt Texas wants to be the outlier in any scenario.

 

[Dooley]

So the UConn numbers are great. Only good thing I've read here in weeks.

We already knew this. It's people around the country that are always so surprised.

 

[Dooley]

The funny thing is that a year ago we were told that UConn at $20m would be cutting into the pie of other teams. And now we're supposed to believe that Georgia Tech is worth $50m to the B1G. If they are worth $50m, then I guess Wake Forest is worth -$10m.

This will be the toughest pill to swallow. I can stomach Texas, OU, ND, FSU, UNC to the B1G at a $50M/yr price tag. But if schools like UVA, GT, BC, KU, or any other ACC/B12 school are invited without UConn, I will get quite frustrated. Yes, any of these schools departing their current P5 conference would open a spot for UConn and $20/yr > $2M/yr. But I'm already going to have a hard time being so far behind B1G "behemoths" like Rutgers, Minnesota, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, and Northwestern. It's going to take even more to stomach a new addition being valued at 25x the cost of UConn when, in reality, that kind of divide does not exist.

 

[CL82]

Can we get the Garden back or do we use Brooklyn?

MSG = Metro Southern Gampel

 

[BoatShow]

As far as I'm concerned, unless UConn is directly mentioned in the tweet, all of these other messages are not non-key tweets and should be posted in the Non-Key Tweet Discussion thread.

Paging @Fishy !!

Seriously IDGAF about 95% of the mobo jumbo in this thread but live and die by the other 5%. Cable fees in blah blah blah WHHHHOOOO CCCCCCAAAARRRESSS

 

[DarthGrumpy]

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 59m59 minutes ago
On the plus side it would be a conference that commands the largest TV share in the country and have several historical power schools

What? Say the B1G jumps to 20 by adding 1) Oklahoma, 2) Kansas, 3) UVA, 4) UNC, 5) Duke, and 6) G Tech while the SEC steps in and takes V Tech and NC State to get to 16. In turn, the ACC and XII combines. That conference gets half the Texas market with U Texas (A&M and the SEC gets the other half) and the same with FL with U Florida in the SEC and FSU & Miami in the new conference. Everywhere else, it would have at best the second tier program in every other TV market along the East coast with the possible exception of NYC should this new conference be smart enough to grab UConn and thus using the combo of UConn, Syracuse and ND to wrestle the Big Apple from the B1G. That is not the largest TV share by any stretch. The B1G would be 1, the SEC would be two and this new conference would likely be third just ahead of the PAC.

 

[Ldandy]

What? Say the B1G jumps to 20 by adding 1) Oklahoma, 2) Kansas, 3) UVA, 4) UNC, 5) Duke, and 6) G Tech while the SEC steps in and takes V Tech and NC State to get to 16. In turn, the ACC and XII combines. That conference gets half the Texas market with U Texas (A&M and the SEC gets the other half) and the same with FL with U Florida in the SEC and FSU & Miami in the new conference. Everywhere else, it would have at best the second tier program in every other TV market along the East coast with the possible exception of NYC should this new conference be smart enough to grab UConn and thus using the combo of UConn, Syracuse and ND to wrestle the Big Apple from the B1G. That is not the largest TV share by any stretch. The B1G would be 1, the SEC would be two and this new conference would likely be third just ahead of the PAC.

You're forgetting one key factor. This new conference would have West Virginia as a part of it. WVU >B1G/SEC Combined.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Why Kansas?

 

[djct1999]

Why Kansas?

Been saying it all along. If UConn can't add $50 mil in revenue, please explain to me how the hell Kansas does? I think both the B1g or Sec can live without the KC market.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Been saying it all along. If UConn can't add $50 mil in revenue, please explain to me how the hell Kansas does? I think both the B1g or Sec can live without the KC market.

Don't see them taking any private schools either.

 

[Seaa Blue]

More talk of how bringing NBC on board facilitates bringing ND on board. At a minimum it would help with ND and Michigan scheduling future games.

 

[dayooper]

Been saying it all along. If UConn can't add $50 mil in revenue, please explain to me how the hell Kansas does? I think both the B1g or Sec can live without the KC market.

Only if advertising becomes a larger factor. No matter how long it's been since they won a natty, they still have a name.

Note- I would much rather have UConn and Oklahoma vs Kansas and Oklahoma in any circumstance.

 

[pj]

Why Kansas?

If Kansas, Duke, and Georgia Tech jump ahead of UConn, it is because academics/AAU status and geographic/cultural bridging (Kansas supports Oklahoma, GTech supports FSU, Duke helps recruit UNC) has trumped markets (UConn's strength) in the B1G's reckoning.

Kansas is a good comparable for UConn because its academics are no better than UConn's despite its legacy AAU status. But maybe the AAU label matters more than the substance.

 

[Sea Goat]

If Kansas, Duke, and Georgia Tech jump ahead of UConn, it is because academics/AAU status and geographic/cultural bridging (Kansas supports Oklahoma, GTech supports FSU, Duke helps recruit UNC) has trumped markets (UConn's strength) in the B1G's reckoning.

Kansas is a good comparable for UConn because its academics are no better than UConn's despite its legacy AAU status. But maybe the AAU label matters more than the substance.

In fairness, Kansas is not the academic institution that UConn is. We are rated 19th for public universities while Kansas is 55th. They have legacy status in the AAU, which has become much harder to crack now. But I don't see kids picking KU over UConn except for the customary reasons of proximity or cost. Straight up - which is the better school? Hands down UConn. It is similar to the situation where many schools have legacy status in P-5 conferences, where there no way they would be added now. Wake Forest? Vandy? (name your best choice) I share Dooley's despair. The frustration factor will be off the charts if we miss out again, because we know we belong!

 

[Ha Who]

I must finally have reached the acceptance stage. I know longer want to open either the key or non-key threads

 

[Sea Goat]

I must finally have reached the acceptance stage. I know longer want to open either the key or non-key threads

Step 1 - good for you!

Not I - after reading Fishy and Dooley this AM, I'm pouring myself a stiffy...

 

[CL82]

I must finally have reached the acceptance stage. I know longer want to open either the key or non-key threads

.... and yet you do.

 

[Ha Who]

.... and yet you do.

My therapist is helping me along

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Been saying it all along. If UConn can't add $50 mil in revenue, please explain to me how the hell Kansas does? I think both the B1g or Sec can live without the KC market.

For the B1G, its more than just money. Kansas has a basketball brand which based on media perception is strong than UConn's, is AAU, which is a big one, and helps build a 'landbridge' between Nebraska and Oklahoma and possibly Texas to the south. The good news is that even if the XII folds, the B1G would likely be looking to fill 3 more slot in addition to Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas to get to 20.

 

[pj]

In fairness, Kansas is not the academic institution that UConn is. We are rated 19th for public universities while Kansas is 55th. They have legacy status in the AAU, which has become much harder to crack now. But I don't see kids picking KU over UConn except for the customary reasons of proximity or cost. Straight up - which is the better school? Hands down UConn. It is similar to the situation where many schools have legacy status in P-5 conferences, where there no way they would be added now. Wake Forest? Vandy? (name your best choice) I share Dooley's despair. The frustration factor will be off the charts if we miss out again, because we know we belong!

As far as graduate programs and research go, Kansas and UConn are equivalent. At the undergraduate level, the only substantive difference is that Kansas requires the university to accept all students with a GPA of 2.0 or higher in a college prep curriculum, or with an SAT score above 980 if they've achieved a GPA of 3.25. (U.S. Freshmen Requirements | Undergraduate Admissions). These are really easy admissions standards and it hurts KU in the undergrad rankings. Nevertheless for a good student, the quality of undergraduate education at KU and UConn may be similar, you just have more dumb classmates at KU.

 

[uchusky32]

Step 1 - good for you!

Not I - after reading Fishy and Dooley this AM, I'm pouring myself a stiffy...

I take a pill, when did it go liquid?

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
I forgot to mention....BTM: WCHA believes ASU HCKY has decided on them as their home conference. Big news!

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
Greg Flugaur Retweeted Greg Flugaur

https://mobile.twitter.com/flugempire/status/723873345511514113… If what BTM is saying is true...#8 Big Ten HCKY slot opens up again... Who?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
Our info on April 5th on ASU to B1G was not from BTM(or we would have indicated it on the tweet) BTM does not believe ASU HCKY is B1G bound

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
Greg Flugaur Retweeted Greg Flugaur

https://mobile.twitter.com/flugempire/status/723874466992791553… This really does surprise me. I'm Hoping BTM is dead wrong. Will see very quickly....

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 5h5 hours ago
I would have bet my last dollar ASU HCKY was B1G bound. Not betting my 6 bucks...lol. BTM has spoken...not betting against It's too bad.

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 4h4 hours ago
@flugempire I'm not going to lie, this surprises me, if true.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 4h4 hours ago
@pfh1964 Yeah. Someone told him something. BTM is going way against the grain on this.... Oh well...will see soon enough.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 4h4 hours ago
@pfh1964 I have dinner with him 2 weeks from today...if we find out he's wrong before dinner I will have him pay for all rds of drinks

Storrs South ‏@UConn6thBorough 4h4 hours ago
@flugempire UConn?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@UConn6thBorough On Jan 30th BTM said 2 out of the 3 (ND-UCONN-ASU)...so... I will ask him at dinner in 2 weeks.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@UConn6thBorough I just think (my opinion only, which means nothing) BTM is wrong. But I don't edit his emails or comments.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@UConn6thBorough He seems to always get this stuff right....so....what the hell happen from his perception on ASU HCKY? IDK.

Storrs South ‏@UConn6thBorough 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire great always appreciated!

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@UConn6thBorough Well....I really only made everything really confusing now. Life is full of curveballs.

Storrs South ‏@UConn6thBorough 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire What started as a straightforward issue (B12 expansion) has become a more complex problem (B10, ACC, evenP12, SEC, G5)

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@UConn6thBorough Yep.

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire I thought that they were going to announce a week ago, and how much arena/PACN has delayed it.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@pfh1964 I thought so to... Exactly what I thought. BTM is way out on limb. But his words were clear. ASU HCKY not B1G Bound. IDK

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire Is it possible that they know one or two more teams coming, PAC or not?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@pfh1964 I honestly have no idea. I'm seriously baffled.

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire Not complaining. In the end, I just want team to thrive & lead to more teams, but I'd be lying if I said this didn't shock me.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@pfh1964 Yeah...ASU is going to be fine no matter what. NCHC or WCHA are fantastic a homes for ASU.

Josh ‏@JRock140 4h4 hours ago
@flugempire did BTM offer insights on who #8 will be?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@JRock140 I have dinner with him in 2 weeks. We are...AGAIN...going to flush this out. I'm a little stunned right now.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire Apr 22
BTM: EXAMPLE:Check when Kansas is free of their current 3rd Teir deal. Let's just say KU won't be renewing that deal,will run its course.

keith olsick ‏@keitholsick 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire do you know when their deal expires? Is this possible KU/Okla announcement months or years away in your estimation?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@keitholsick 1. 2022/23. 2. Years away

Expansion_crush ‏@Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours agoAtlanta, IN
@flugempire UCONN or Boston College

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 3h3 hours ago
@Expansion_Crush @flugempire BC/UCONN not leaving HE unless entire school goes with them.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@pfh1964 @Expansion_Crush BC is not leaving HE without full membership. But what do I know...the ASU info has me baffled.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@pfh1964 @Expansion_Crush BTM told us on the past ASU & UCONN (along with ND) were being targeted by Delany. So will see...

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire @Expansion_Crush Maybe with B12 so screwed up, they know UCONN coming, so they asked ASU to bow out quietly.

Expansion_crush ‏@Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours agoAtlanta, IN
@pfh1964 @flugempire also told Stanford was looking at it as well with no specific timeline.

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 2h2 hours ago
@Expansion_Crush @flugempire There are no timelines for any of this. It's what makes ASU so "important".

Expansion_crush ‏@Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours agoAtlanta, IN
@pfh1964 @flugempire I was a couple weeks ago that a couple Big Ten teams were looking at developing a varsity hockey team within 5 to 6 yrs

Paul Hornstein ‏@pfh1964 3h3 hours ago
@Expansion_Crush @flugempire Maybe, just maybe that new rink in Iowa...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
@pfh1964 @Expansion_Crush I don't think so... But will see...hopefully quickly.