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Classic mh3
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Only way the SEC can one up the B1G is for the SEC to get UNC or Texas. Both schools want to king of the hill and neither will be in the SEC. Plus, Texas has the Longhorn Network to deal with and an A&M team that is on top and may not want to share. UNC has an academic issue to deal with in which the academic side of Chapel Hill may not take kindly to joining a perceived academically inferior conference.
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Why does UNC's academic situation matter, they'd fit right in with the SEC's "if you ain't cheatin, you gonna take a beatin" philosophy.
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Your stupidity is ruining my country.
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In what alternative universe does the SEC need to one up the B1G? The SEC was an Auburn win from creating there own Division. All they need to do is continue paying players, forging academic records, filling stadiums, winning games, and keep the locals convinced that watching 19-22 old semi-pros play FB once a week is the meaning of life.
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Half of Chapel Hill wants to be a top 10 $ports school, the other half wants to be a top 10 public university. Those two objectives do not always agree with each other.
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The last thirty years have been about maintaining a carefully maintained fiction of the "scholar-athlete"....
When a school with the undeniable academic cachet of North Carolina is shown to have an organized system of providing fraudulent classes and enhanced grades to athletes, you know that the towel has been thrown in.
There is too much money, too much pressure, for there to be teams of scholar athletes. There are teams of freakish athletes who may be able to read on the 7th grade level (the higher functioning ones, anyway). And take college courses that are designed to keep them eligible.
The average football player scores on the SAT at levels far, far below the student body average. Maybe the majority would not be accepted if they were not an athlete.
Let's just take the Gators...
...the U of Florida freshman class...84% earned a 4.0 in high school
...88% of entrants had a SAT range of 2100-2400
University of Florida's gap between football players and the student body has its players scoring 346 points lower than their peers.
At the University of Wisconsin, over 50% of football players do not meet the normal requirements for admission and come under a special admission process...same with Georgia, LSU, Clemson, Texas A&M and many others.
When a school with the undeniable academic cachet of North Carolina is shown to have an organized system of providing fraudulent classes and enhanced grades to athletes, you know that the towel has been thrown in.
There is too much money, too much pressure, for there to be teams of scholar athletes. There are teams of freakish athletes who may be able to read on the 7th grade level (the higher functioning ones, anyway). And take college courses that are designed to keep them eligible.
The average football player scores on the SAT at levels far, far below the student body average. Maybe the majority would not be accepted if they were not an athlete.
Let's just take the Gators...
...the U of Florida freshman class...84% earned a 4.0 in high school
...88% of entrants had a SAT range of 2100-2400
University of Florida's gap between football players and the student body has its players scoring 346 points lower than their peers.
At the University of Wisconsin, over 50% of football players do not meet the normal requirements for admission and come under a special admission process...same with Georgia, LSU, Clemson, Texas A&M and many others.
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We all have heard about Stanford's achievement in athletics and academics...but the truth came out...
"In a blockbuster report from the San Francisco Chronicle this morning, it was revealed that an “Easy Class List” existed for Stanford athletes, but it was “discontinued” last week after pesky reporters began asking questions.
“(Stanford) accommodates athletes in the manner that they accommodate students with disabilities,” said Donald Barr, who teaches a Social Class, Race, Ethnicity, Health course, which was highlighted by resource center advisers."
A drama class in "Beginning Improvising" and another in "Social Dances of North America III" were among dozens of classes on a closely guarded quarterly list distributed only to Stanford athletes to help them choose courses.
The classes on the list were "always chock-full of athletes and very easy A's," added Kira Maker, a women's soccer player who used the list her freshman year.
Titled "courses of interest," the list was distributed by the Athletic Academic Resource Center. Advisers in other departments at the university said they were unaware such a list existed.
Even Stanford gave up on the scholar athlete and did what others do...set up crip courses, easy grades to keep up the GPA....
"In a blockbuster report from the San Francisco Chronicle this morning, it was revealed that an “Easy Class List” existed for Stanford athletes, but it was “discontinued” last week after pesky reporters began asking questions.
“(Stanford) accommodates athletes in the manner that they accommodate students with disabilities,” said Donald Barr, who teaches a Social Class, Race, Ethnicity, Health course, which was highlighted by resource center advisers."
A drama class in "Beginning Improvising" and another in "Social Dances of North America III" were among dozens of classes on a closely guarded quarterly list distributed only to Stanford athletes to help them choose courses.
The classes on the list were "always chock-full of athletes and very easy A's," added Kira Maker, a women's soccer player who used the list her freshman year.
Titled "courses of interest," the list was distributed by the Athletic Academic Resource Center. Advisers in other departments at the university said they were unaware such a list existed.
Even Stanford gave up on the scholar athlete and did what others do...set up crip courses, easy grades to keep up the GPA....
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While the recent suit against the NCAA may put the lie to the American fiction of teams made up of the scholar athletes that attend the university, I find nothing more damning then this account...
(CNN) -- Early in her career as a learning specialist, Mary Willingham was in her office when a basketball player at the University of North Carolina walked in looking for help with his classwork.
He couldn't read or write.
"And I kind of panicked. What do you do with that?" she said, recalling the meeting.
Willingham's job was to help athletes who weren't quite ready academically for the work required at UNC at Chapel Hill, one of the country's top public universities.
But she was shocked that one couldn't read. And then she found he was not an anomaly.
Soon, she'd meet a student-athlete who couldn't read multisyllabic words. She had to teach him to sound out Wis-con-sin, as kids do in elementary school.
(CNN) -- Early in her career as a learning specialist, Mary Willingham was in her office when a basketball player at the University of North Carolina walked in looking for help with his classwork.
He couldn't read or write.
"And I kind of panicked. What do you do with that?" she said, recalling the meeting.
Willingham's job was to help athletes who weren't quite ready academically for the work required at UNC at Chapel Hill, one of the country's top public universities.
But she was shocked that one couldn't read. And then she found he was not an anomaly.
Soon, she'd meet a student-athlete who couldn't read multisyllabic words. She had to teach him to sound out Wis-con-sin, as kids do in elementary school.
MH3 @MH3 5h
My cryptic tweets from a few days ago? I haven't forgotten you. A lot of things are going around and I've been sifting through it
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The short of it is: We could soon see the first true super-conference. A merger is being discussed between as many as 3 conferences.
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And no I'm not talking wrestling
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And I'm not talking north or west(though we may see that next)
My cryptic tweets from a few days ago? I haven't forgotten you. A lot of things are going around and I've been sifting through it
MH3 @MH3 5h
The short of it is: We could soon see the first true super-conference. A merger is being discussed between as many as 3 conferences.
MH3 @MH3 5h
And no I'm not talking wrestling
MH3 @MH3 5h
And I'm not talking north or west(though we may see that next)
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Serious question: why do you think that Aresco and the AAC are involved?
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But I thought MHVER was referring to the SEC.
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My suspicion was similar to you'res about a possible blending of the ACC into the SEC or maybe a Texas connection ?
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I've been reading about this on the Virginia Tech board. They joke that this would finally get West Virginia a toe in the ACC since WVU has wrestling. I submitted that if we do wrestling, we might as well do swimming too. The Big XII only has 3 men's swimming programs (WVU, Texas, and TCU). They have 5 women's. The ACC has 13 men's and women's swimming programs. To only have 3 programs in men's is pitiful. If swimming combined, the Big XII swimmers could at least feel like they are at a real meet for the championship.
I don't know if the wrestling thing is truly in the works or just another rumor. But it is an interesting concept and could be filler content for a TV network.
My suspicion, if anything really exists, is maybe an ACC/SEC scheduling agreement or an ACC/SEC/B12 scheduling agreement. This would be good for many schools of the ACC and SEC due the to 8 game schedule. Including the B12 as well adds more rivalry games, including Pitt/WVU, TX/TAMU, OK/Bama, Mizzou/Kansas. Many ACC/SEC games already take place, so this would help scheduling for the schools that do not play in state rivalry games.
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My suspicion, its all bull spit like the rest of his tweets.
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There was some talk a few months back about an SEC-ACC scheduling partnership...
Clemson-S. Carolina, FSU-Florida, Georgia-GT, & Louisville-Kentucky already have an annual game...and Wake and Vandy have a long running series. VT and Tennessee will meet at the NASCAR track (commemorative spit cups will be issued to the first 80,000 ticket buyers).
Clemson-S. Carolina, FSU-Florida, Georgia-GT, & Louisville-Kentucky already have an annual game...and Wake and Vandy have a long running series. VT and Tennessee will meet at the NASCAR track (commemorative spit cups will be issued to the first 80,000 ticket buyers).
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The Barclay's Center in Brooklyn is having a press conference this morning to announce a Barclay's Center-ACC-Atlantic 10 scheduling partnership. Both Conferences will have Championship Tournaments there and 3 years of double headers in Brooklyn. But this doesn't include Mike Slive.
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" Barclays Center announced today a two-year agreement with the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) and an extension with the Atlantic 10 Conference (A-10) that secures postseason conference tournaments in Brooklyn’s major sports and entertainment venue through 2021.
The ACC Tournament will be played at Barclays Center in 2017 and ’18. The A-10 will continue to hold its championship at Barclays Center in 2015 and 2016 and then return to the venue for three years in 2019, 2020 and 2021. The ACC and the A-10 will play inter-conference doubleheaders at Barclays Center in 2015, 2016 and 2017"
The ACC Tournament will be played at Barclays Center in 2017 and ’18. The A-10 will continue to hold its championship at Barclays Center in 2015 and 2016 and then return to the venue for three years in 2019, 2020 and 2021. The ACC and the A-10 will play inter-conference doubleheaders at Barclays Center in 2015, 2016 and 2017"
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I think the B12 and SEC should partner. It would stave off expansion by both conferences (mostly a concern for the B12) for the time being, give WVU plenty of closer schools (Tenn, Kentucky, Vandy) to play against, and give the SEC even more reach into Texas recruiting grounds.
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I think the ACC to the Barclays makes sense. That's why they wanted the Fruit Flies (and UCONN before BC blocked it) in the first place: more NYC exposure. A tournament in North Carolina has absolutely zero buzz. A tournament in NYC does and ESPiN can market the heck out of it. Look how much publicity TICKET PRICES have generated from UCONN being in a Sweet 16 at MSG. Nothing about the game matchups, just pre-game buzz about ticket prices. You get that kind of buzz when you play in NYC and the ACC understands that. Now if only the B1G would understand that and get us out of the AAC.
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