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No problem. At least you get it now
No problem. At least you get it now
I wasn't aware that pointing out that:
1) ND always told the BE that football would never join,
2) The BE was already an unequal revenue and hybrid conference prior to ND joining, and
3) The BE football schools were afraid to use the "card ", could not agree on a split, expansion and were looking to bail
= "Holier than Thou". My bad.
What's ND basketball worth? The courts will have fun deciding that one. If bball rights are the reported 10-15% of the pie, ND would be out $2 million a year. Otherwise known as: peanuts. They are probably worth more than that. But the ACC is getting $17m per school. How much is the average school worth for bball?
The ACC is getting $20 million per school. The $17 million number was before Notre Dame joined and before the GOR. The Basketball is worth 20%.
Wouldn't the 3m increase for 14 teams mean that ND Olympics and 2 or 3 of the games played in Acc football venues are worth 42 million? How'd you get to 4?So, $4m a year?
That's not nearly enough to dissuade ND.
I think Kyle is right on this one. If ND is forced to choose a conference because of D4, the GOR with the ACC does not prevent it from doing whatever the heck it wants.
So, $4m a year?
That's not nearly enough to dissuade ND.
I think Kyle is right on this one. If ND is forced to choose a conference because of D4, the GOR with the ACC does not prevent it from doing whatever the heck it wants.
Yes, interesting indeed. Buffalo Lion is certainly our most articulate and supportive 'non-fan' message board booster. As for SUNY Buffalo, yes - it has size and AAU status, but hard to see the B1G going down that rabit hole in the end. Unlike most states, NY's regional interests have competed and diluted the state brand across all big four university campuses and smaller colleges in the system. While I could see the B1G overlooking the lack of athletic accomplishments, its hard to ignore the state's long history of mixed/tangled support for its schools. When you ask NYers about the SUNY system you'll get seven different answers about which school is the flagship and I dont think there is any real will in state politics to change that. In other words, if I were the B1G, I wouldnt want a school which doesnt have clear political support/policy to be the state's flagship.
Yes, interesting indeed. Buffalo Lion is certainly our most articulate and supportive 'non-fan' message board booster. As for SUNY Buffalo, yes - it has size and AAU status, but hard to see the B1G going down that rabit hole in the end. Unlike most states, NY's regional interests have competed and diluted the state brand across all big four university campuses and smaller colleges in the system. While I could see the B1G overlooking the lack of athletic accomplishments, its hard to ignore the state's long history of mixed/tangled support for its schools. When you ask NYers about the SUNY system you'll get seven different answers about which school is the flagship and I dont think there is any real will in state politics to change that. In other words, if I were the B1G, I wouldnt what a school which doesnt have clear political support/policy to be the state's flagship.
I live out here in Midwest retirementville.ND's worst case scenario is to be trapped into joining the Big Ten.
I don't think that non-ND fans understand the deep enmity that ND people have for that conference.
All of ND's moves since 1991 (NBC deal, BE deal, ACC deal) have been to stay out of the clutches of Jim Delany and his Big Ten ilk.
If ND football had to join a conference, it would be the ACC over the Big Ten.
ND alumni, fans and administrators would consider Big Ten membership a surrender and a disaster for ND.
So, $4m a year?
That's not nearly enough to dissuade ND.
I think Kyle is right on this one. If ND is forced to choose a conference because of D4, the GOR with the ACC does not prevent it from doing whatever the heck it wants.
Besides Academics, what does Buffalo really bring to the table. To quote Coach Winters from The Program, "Yeah, but when was the last time 80,000 people showed up to watch a kid do a damm chemistry experiment? Why don't you stick the bow-tie up your ?"
UConn certainly has more to offer and has a higher ceiling. Nationally recognized athletics, tremendous state gov't support, increasing academia prestige and can complete the delivery of the an attentive portion of the largest TV market in the country. Buffalo can offer a contiguous state. Why that is important, I don't know.
Say all you want about TV markets and DMAs, Massachusetts, New York, and New Jersey are all pretty much professional sports markets, where college and amateur sports are an after thought. Connecticut brings attentive viewers of the college, amateur, and minor leagues. Of course this is my impression more than based on anything really concrete...
The ability for the Big Ten Network to extort more money from the Cable Boxes that Time Warner Cable has in that part of New York State. It's the same thing they are looking for with Rutgers and Maryland. SUNY Buffalo's AAU status gets past the screeners on the Big Ten Council of Presidents.
Just because a team from NY is on a network does nut mean the population is going to pay for it. The big ten is going to learn thus with NJ soon. If psu could not get full rates in Philly/Samson Johnson ru is not going to deliver North Jersey and NYC.The ability for the Big Ten Network to extort more money from the Cable Boxes that Time Warner Cable has in that part of New York State. It's the same thing they are looking for with Rutgers and Maryland. SUNY Buffalo's AAU status gets past the screeners on the Big Ten Council of Presidents.
The ability for the Big Ten Network to extort more money from the Cable Boxes that Time Warner Cable has in that part of New York State. It's the same thing they are looking for with Rutgers and Maryland. SUNY Buffalo's AAU status gets past the screeners on the Big Ten Council of Presidents.
He's probably the one who fed the Dude the info - he's been hyping that up for over a year now but there's too many factors working against it to make it a plausible target.
You had me believing for awhile. But you have lost it!
I live out here in Midwest retirementville.
I can tell you my B1G fans friends feel the same way about ND"
In sports hatred is a good thing.
Its like Yanks and Sox.
Just because a team from NY is on a network does nut mean the population is going to pay for it. The big ten is going to learn thus with NJ soon. If psu could not get full rates in Philly/Samson Johnson ru is not going to deliver North Jersey and NYC.
Heck last time I drove through the city I heard a commercial that time Warner is dropping showtime and CBS. Yet NYC is going to increase its TV fees for University of Buffalo?
I don't think SUNY Buffalo is a good choice myself. But I can understand why the Big Ten might. AAU and Cable Boxes in a big state. It fits their model perfectly.