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jostar1 said:
Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 4h4 hours ago
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...-miami-closing-in-on-deal-to-play-in-orlando/ …

This why UCF as a B12 candidate is fading. Not b/c of 0-5 record...ESPN wants to keep Orlando SEC/ACC market pure

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 4h4 hours ago
Florida State vs Ole Miss in Orlando 2016

Alabama vs Louisville in Orlando in 2018.

ESPN fighting to keep UCF out of Big 12 Expansion.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 4h4 hours ago
Lots of headwind on a UCF invite to Big 12 even with FOX support.
BTM says he will have another update soon on Big Ten perceptions.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 4h4 hours ago
@pfac51 BTM told us on Sept 25th about UCF hurdle of ESPN...I tweeted it out on Sept 25th.
It's a serious hurdle for Big 12 invite for UCF

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire @chiucfgal I think you miss understood. UCF candidacy for B12 invite is fading...ESPNscheduling events @ORL to keep ORL-SEC/ACC market pure

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@caingle "BTM" stands for Big Ten Man...yes somebody who has given us Big Ten perceptions on Twitter who has broken 4 stories on Twitter.
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This makes sense. Florida market already saturated with ESPN content.

That said, the 0-5 UCF start probably carries much more weight than people want to admit. With O'Leary saying this is his final year as coach and no longterm track record of success, it's not inspiring confidence in the future of the program.
 
NYUConn said:
This makes sense. Florida market already saturated with ESPN content.

That said, the 0-5 UCF start probably carries much more weight than people want to admit. With O'Leary saying this is his final year as coach and no longterm track record of success, it's not inspiring confidence in the future of the program.
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If a league is making intelligent, rather than knee jerk decisions, a particulars team record in any one year wouldn't be particularly relevant. Through the lens of a casual fan RU to the B1G makes little sense. RU's athletic department often seems like it is running club athletics, but through the lens of an accountant, it made tremendous sense. I can't say what criteria the Big 12 is using to determine potential candidates for expansion, but if it is the first 5 games of 2015, then an offer is irrelevant because the conference is doomed to fail.
 
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CL82 said:
If a league is making intelligent, rather than knee jerk decisions, a particulars team record in any one year wouldn't be particularly relevant. Through the lens of a casual fan RU to the B1G makes little sense. RU's athletic department often seems like it is running club athletics, but through the lens of an accountant, it made tremendous sense. I can't say what criteria the Big 12 is using to determine potential candidates for expansion, but if it is the first 5 games of 2015, then an offer is irrelevant because the conference is doomed to fail.
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They're not making a decision today, so it's not just about these 5 games. The issue is that the school has no history of athletic success, is about to lose their head coach, and is floundering in the one sport in which they ever provided value. That has to make them at least somewhat less attractive to the B12.
 
The question is "What do you bring to the table?"

.....large numbers of national viewers?
.....large regional following?
.....recognized "premium" brand?
.....academic recognition?
.....future potential?

UCF was all about future potential and that seems to be fading.
 
CallMeBruce said:
They're not making a decision today, so it's not just about these 5 games. The issue is that the school has no history of athletic success, is about to lose their head coach, and is floundering in the one sport in which they ever provided value. That has to make them at least somewhat less attractive to the B12.
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Somewhat, I guess, but their value to the Big 12 is probably population (i.e. cable boxes), and access to the Florida recruiting territory. Neither of those things are diminished by a bad football season.
 
billybud said:
The question is "What do you bring to the table?"

.....large numbers of national viewers?
.....large regional following?
.....recognized "premium" brand?
.....academic recognition?
.....future potential?

UCF was all about future potential and that seems to be fading.
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Not really.

One dynamic President (though 70 now). If UCF continues on its model of growth, expansion & diversity, the existing power structure will have to find a spot. They could be 100,000 enrollment. Alumni. Dynamos as an Institution.

I don't purely look at Football. This is a rising power. You can pooh pooh that in Tallahassee; but, in some ways, they are eating your lunch. ESPN and others can think short term. If UCF replaces Hitt with a solid choice, they can continue an incredible path. The Cartel won't be able to constrain them.

Research. Business Connection. Attractive to masses. Then in 20 years, you've got this incredible affinity. Try to rein that in.
 
UCFs biggest asset is supposed to be the size of its student body and hence future alumni base. But - I wonder if some marketing people have done studies to look at how wide and deep the affiliation is within the UCF student body, being that they are in a state with three other established, big-name CFB brands. When I was at UConn in the 90s there would be a random kid who grew up liking Syracuse or St. John's, (always out-of-staters), maybe one out of a hundred or more. With UCF I imagine there'd be a lot more UF / FSU / Miami affiliation among the student body.
 
UCF will only be greater with time.

They are stitching together the fabric that retains affinity. Won't be as strong as many. But the sheer numbers are awesome. The way they attacked the regional business community. The way they connected with ALL the Florida regional Community Colleges and regional state colleges. The capacity to tie in lots of range in ages & backgrounds. And being in central Florida.

Don't think pure Football here. And they're not the sole model for this.
 
Pudge said:
UCF will only be greater with time.

They are stitching together the fabric that retains affinity. Won't be as strong as many. But the sheer numbers are awesome. The way they attacked the regional business community. The way they connected with ALL the Florida regional Community Colleges and regional state colleges. The capacity to tie in lots of range in ages & backgrounds. And being in central Florida.

Don't think pure Football here. And they're not the sole model for this.
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That's fine but it doesn't (necessarily) add up to UCF to the Big12 in the near term, which is the topic at hand... but maybe Greg's info is wrong at this time.
 
junglehusky said:
That's fine but it doesn't (necessarily) add up to UCF to the Big12 in the near term, which is the topic at hand... but maybe Greg's info is wrong at this time.
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Just rumblings. I don't feel that the B12 act is together for Bowlsby to lobby the recalcitrant to move on adding 2. If they did, my feel is that Florida is a great target for them. However, they will not do something like that.

There are smart strategic leaders B1G (Delaney) & Pac 12 (Scott) ... and then a few boneheads herding sheep (Swofford & Bowlsby). My sense is that the SEC is winning (based on the formula Roy Kramer put together in the early 90s) purely by inertia. And Football gods.
 
CallMeBruce said:
They're not making a decision today, so it's not just about these 5 games. The issue is that the school has no history of athletic success, is about to lose their head coach, and is floundering in the one sport in which they ever provided value. That has to make them at least somewhat less attractive to the B12.
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This was the point I was trying to make.
 
Pudge said:
Don't think pure Football here. And they're not the sole model for this.
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Problem is that the impetus for expansion for the Big 12 is pure football.

If they need to get to 12 for a CCG, they aren't going to add a program that will ultimately be a drain on the conference SOS for years to come.

The Big 12 doesn't have to expand for any reason other than football. People can talk all they want about how nice it would be to have a school in Florida for recruiting and exposure purposes, but that's a luxury not a necessity.

Expansion for the Big 12 is about survival and the key to survival is to maintain a conference that is competitive enough to keep Texas and Oklahoma around for a little while longer.
 
However the best football teams are Bosie St and Byu lets say. There is no way ever never ever never ever that Texas would ever play at Boise St. They would be thinking... WTF am I doing here. They would likely turn the plane around and join another conference mid flight. While Texas A$m is playing Alabama.
 
mike012779 said:
However the best football teams are Bosie St and Byu lets say. There is no way ever never ever never ever that Texas would ever play at Boise St. They would be thinking... WTF am I doing here. They would likely turn the plane around and join another conference mid flight. While Texas A$m is playing Alabama.
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Correct, but Texas already plays BYU and adding a team like Cincinnati who has two BCS appearances under their belt or a Memphis that is chasing a historic season is much more palpable.
 
If ESPN doesn't want to dilute the FL market, why would they want to dilute Ohio or TN markets? Especially to bring in 3rd tier teams within those states?

I continue to believe that expansion of B12 is in UConn's best interest. Not because they will pick UConn, but because it'll unravel the B12, and send TX and OU west, with 2 stepchildren in tow. It'd set up rumored BIG expansion in to KS and CT. Worst case, we'd look to partner with best of AAC and rest of B12 in a more meaningful conference while continuing to wait for a P4 invite.
 
gioff23 said:
If ESPN doesn't want to dilute the FL market, why would they want to dilute Ohio or TN markets? Especially to bring in 3rd tier teams within those states?

I continue to believe that expansion of B12 is in UConn's best interest. Not because they will pick UConn, but because it'll unravel the B12, and send TX and OU west, with 2 stepchildren in tow. It'd set up rumored BIG expansion in to KS and CT. Worst case, we'd look to partner with best of AAC and rest of B12 in a more meaningful conference while continuing to wait for a P4 invite.
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Well OU is the one pushing for expansion. If OU winds up in another conference, it won't be about B12 expansion taking schools unpalatable to OU, it'll be about the B12 being the lowest on the P5 totem pole.
 
NYUConn said:
Problem is that the impetus for expansion for the Big 12 is pure football.
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The problem is that XII is about making U Texas happy in the wallet (not having to share), on the field, and in the halls of the state house in Austin. The talk of adding Houston seems to support that. UCF may add TV eyeballs; but, it does not bring to the table what Texas wants.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
The problem is that XII is about making U Texas happy in the wallet (not having to share), on the field, and in the halls of the state house in Austin. The talk of adding Houston seems to support that. UCF may add TV eyeballs; but, it does not bring to the table what Texas wants.
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I agree but what I don't get at all is why UT would want to elevate another Texas school to the P5, especially after the waxing they just took at the hands of TCU.

Texas right now is arguably the 5th best program in the state, behind TCU, Baylor, A&M and Houston. Why would they want to give Houston the staying power to compete with them annually?
 
Because of the LHN and UT's strangle hold on the B12, that conference really did miss a great opportunity to add teams which would have absolutely stabilized the league, improved FB and BB, and locked them in for a long time with a very competitive TV deal. When A&M and Mizzou left they should have grabbed TCU, WVU, Pitt, UL, UC, and one of UCF/USF to get to 14. If they wanted to go to 16, then add UH and CSU.
This gets them into some good TV markets (Orlando predominantly), gets their recruiting a bigger advantage in FL, PA, and OH, gets average to great FB, and some bad to great BB programs.

Likewise, if ACC really wanted to lock down the best TV deal and the NYC market they should have gone all in on SU, RU, UConn, WVU, UL, and Pitt to go to 16. It keeps the B1G out of NY/NE, gets you solid FB for the most part, unquestionably the greatest BB league ever imagined, and a kick arse TV deal. Oh well.....
 
NYUConn said:
I agree but what I don't get at all is why UT would want to elevate another Texas school to the P5, especially after the waxing they just took at the hands of TCU.

Texas right now is arguably the 5th best program in the state, behind TCU, Baylor, A&M and Houston. Why would they want to give Houston the staying power to compete with them annually?
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The answer is politics. Texas A&M's rise both before and after their move to the SEC coincided with Rick Perry becoming governor, who happens to be a A&M alumni. For years, U Texas dominated the capitol building in Austin and some people, including Perry's team, did not like it out of jealousy, being too liberal, etc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/us/tensions-between-rick-perry-and-uts-bill-powers.html

By bringing in U Houston, U Texas gets an ally (more or less indentured servant) in the state house to work against Texas A&M. That political value is HUGE to U Texas.
 
billybud said:
The question is "What do you bring to the table?"

.....large numbers of national viewers?
.....large regional following?
.....recognized "premium" brand?
.....academic recognition?
.....future potential?

UCF was all about future potential and that seems to be fading.
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Many programs have achieved periods of success over the years often tied to a coach or transcendent player(s). Sustaining that success once you reach it is something altogether different. Less than a decade ago USF was a burgeoning program with a growing fan base and a lofty ranking. Flash forward to today and The Bulls are a G5 bottom feeder with tepid fan support.
 
Things can turn around quickly though...we sometimes forget that Baylor had 13 losing seasons in a row before 2010 and went to their first bowl game in 17 years in 2011.
 
junglehusky said:
UCFs biggest asset is supposed to be the size of its student body and hence future alumni base. But - I wonder if some marketing people have done studies to look at how wide and deep the affiliation is within the UCF student body, being that they are in a state with three other established, big-name CFB brands. When I was at UConn in the 90s there would be a random kid who grew up liking Syracuse or St. John's, (always out-of-staters), maybe one out of a hundred or more. With UCF I imagine there'd be a lot more UF / FSU / Miami affiliation among the student body.
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Kids may enter school having rooted for one of the big 2.5 Florida schools. But down the road when UCF plays one of those other Florida schools, I'll bet the graduates root for their Alma Mater. Even UCONN fans will root for their school in the underdog role.
That said, UCF doesn't seem like Big 12 material, at least not the Big 12 pre-CR. Now? You never know.
 

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