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The only thing I wonder about is the women's bball games. There will be hell to pay without those on TV. The football games should be limited on ESPN3 since the contract stipulates that 90% of them will be on TV. I'm thinking only 2 games at most will be impacted.

But if they sold the women's bball games to ESPN, then Manuel and Aresco need to have their heads examined. No one in the conference invests in women's bball like UConn, so why is UConn subsidizing everyone? This is quite different than Texas or Michigan spreading money around since 90% of the schools it shares with have invested in top coaches and facilities.
I believe Aresco and Manuel have both said that the SNY women's deal still holds. ESPN has first rights (as it currently has) and then all other games got to SNY.
 
From the SNY website: (unless this is from last year)

Football


  • 5 live football games
  • 12 episodes of Huskies Power Hour
  • 12 full game re-airs Classic football games library
  • Coach's Weekly Press Conference
  • Season Preview Special
  • Season Review/Bowl Preview Special
  • Game Preview Segments (in SportsNite)
  • Post-game shows (following all SNY telecasts)
  • Signing Day Press Conference
  • SNY Spotlight Series: Paul Pasqualoni
  • VOD features
 
What if Manuel did everything you said he should have done and got outvoted 11-1 because its a conference-wide vote on the contract?

Oh.

I bet that idea never even crossed your mind.

Even though I'm not paid to think of that, my little brain came up with this:

UConn goes to SNY as an independent.

What's the AAC going to do? Allow it to happen and lose its biggest content and name provider? When Aresco allowed Navy to keep their Tier 1 rights? So UConn has the moral and financial leverage.
 
I believe Aresco and Manuel have both said that the SNY women's deal still holds. ESPN has first rights (as it currently has) and then all other games got to SNY.

No. What he has said was UConn never retained its tier 2 or 3 rights to women's bb (and that they were released to sny routinely under that rubric).

This isn't about how it was routinely done in the past-it was about assuring how it will be done in the future.

UConn controlled that aspect.

Manuel screwed up.
 
I believe Aresco and Manuel have both said that the SNY women's deal still holds. ESPN has first rights (as it currently has) and then all other games got to SNY.

They said that, but it was prior to the contract being signed. In other words, we shall see.
 
Can't wait until the UConn women end up on ESPN3 a few times, too. And mens basketball...But think of all the exposure!
 
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Can't wait until the UConn women end up on ESPN3 a few times, too. And mens basketball...But think of all the exposure!

While you're being facetious, that's exactly the plan:

The deal also includes conference-controlled women's basketball games on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU or ESPN3. The men's and women's basketball tournaments will continue to be televised on ESPN's networks.

ESPN also has the rights for other conference sponsored men's and women's sports, such as baseball. ESPN also can sublicense conference games across all sports for regional and national distribution.


http://m.espn.go.com/extra/ncaa/story?storyId=9071683&src=desktop

I'm still amazed that this is coming as a surprise to anyone.
 
As far as men’s basketball and women’s basketball, 63 percent of the new conferences games will be on national outlets in men’s basketball. The rest will likely be offered up to regional partners of the schools, such as SNY. The women’s deal is different as ESPN is going to air at least 60 games this year of women’s basketball. UConn has a deal with SNY that promises a set number of games, 17 at a minimum according to the contract. How that works itself out is uncertain.
 
ESPN also can sublicense conference games across all sports for regional and national distribution.

That's the rub, Medic.

UConn could have mandated that it retain its tier 3 rights.

UConn is only getting $2m a year TOTAL.

How is that fair? the Big 12 got to keep its tier 3 rights, so this isn't novel.

UConn is the only school in the AAC with viable tier 3 rights. And it ceded all of its football, men's basketball and wbb tv rights to the AAC for about the price of 17 women's tier 3 games alone. Ridiculous. This can't be rationalized favorably for UConn.
 
UConn requested a night kick for Maryland due to Yom Kippur.
Ok, makes sense. Not sure there are so many marquee games that night that we get bounced to the Ocho, but we might as well get comfortable there. going to be there a lot over the next few years.
 
Even though I'm not paid to think of that, my little brain came up with this:

UConn goes to SNY as an independent.

What's the AAC going to do? Allow it to happen and lose its biggest content and name provider? When Aresco allowed Navy to keep their Tier 1 rights? So UConn has the moral and financial leverage.

Independence was never a legitimate option, so that isn't leverage. UConn would have been just as effective saying they'd join the WAC. The response would have been "ok, go ahead".

Unfortunately, you are overvaluing UConn's place in the marketplace. Example being the thought that SNY has any interest in a UConn FB Indy schedule of Utah State and the Sun Belt. Ridiculous.
 
That's the rub, Medic.

UConn could have mandated that it retain its tier 3 rights.

UConn is only getting $2m a year TOTAL.

How is that fair? the Big 12 got to keep its tier 3 rights, so this isn't novel.

UConn is the only school in the AAC with viable tier 3 rights. And it ceded them to the AAC for about the price of 17 women's tier 3 games alone. Ridiculous. This can't be rationalized favorably for UConn.
Dont forget we have to stay to claim our exit fees as well
 
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UConn wasn't in a position to demand anything.

UConn's one and only option once we were passed over was to play out this contract with the AAC, collect to exit fee money and hope we get a life raft or hope the AAC does well enough that in 6 years the tv money can get us more than just the 10% of what our peers make.

I'm not a huge WM fan because I felt like CR could've been handled better, but we have a new football OC, some decent out of conference football games lined up ( still no P5 though) and a great basketball OOC schedule this year.

The situation still sucks overall, but you can't blame WM for the tv deal.
 
Tweeted the link out to mike enright and Kyle muncy. Lets hope they respond.
 
That's the rub, Medic.

UConn could have mandated that it retain its tier 3 rights.

UConn is only getting $2m a year TOTAL.

How is that fair? the Big 12 got to keep its tier 3 rights, so this isn't novel.

UConn is the only school in the AAC with viable tier 3 rights. And it ceded all of its football, men's basketball and wbb tv rights to the AAC for about the price of 17 women's tier 3 games alone. Ridiculous. This can't be rationalized favorably for UConn.

Not sure what leverage UConn had or didn't have to mandate anything.

I'm just not sure why peeps are jumping up and down today - this is not new news.
 
Dont forget we have to stay to claim our exit fees as well


Bingo. None of this really matters until we run out of exit fee checks and we still haven't found a new home.
 
Can't wait until the UConn women end up on ESPN3 a few times, too. And mens basketball...But think of all the exposure!

What in the world are you talking about? The men's bball schedule is out already. 16 games on ESPN, ESPN2 and CBS Network. To put that in perspective, a school like NC State only gets 4. This is fantastic for men's basketball.

We're still waiting to see what is going on with the women.
 
Not sure what leverage UConn had or didn't have to mandate anything.

I'm just not sure why peeps are jumping up and down today - this is not new news.

I think it's just coming to the fore because it's impacting the more casual fan. They're used to tuning in to sny to see UConn. And with a game thurs!, people's attention is at hand.

It was this time last summer that sny announced that it was covering 4 games, having all-access type of programming.

Not a surprise that espn wants to freeze sny out based on its history.

It's just unfortunate that the positive relationship that UConn built with sny is being diminished. Having an RSN with production capabilities like sny was huge for UConn. It gave UConn something different. It was both lucrative and pronounced in the exposure it provided. Having a pregame and postgame centered on UConn was great, announcers that were vested in UConn, etc.

Not to mention the whole NYC angle when that issue has commanded out-sized attention in realignment.

But we talked about this coming to the end 6 months ago.
 
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What in the world are you talking about? The men's bball schedule is out already. 16 games on ESPN, ESPN2 and CBS Network. To put that in perspective, a school like NC State only gets 4. This is fantastic for men's basketball.

We're still waiting to see what is going on with the women.

Does that 16 games include ESPNU and or the broadcast CBS games?
 
Does that 16 games include ESPNU and or the broadcast CBS games?

It's 16 games on CBS Broadcast Over-the-Air Network (i.e. not CBS SN), ESPN and ESPN2. It doesn't include CBSSN or ESPNU or anything else. We have more national games on those channels, but I'm not counting them since they are hard to find channels just like FS2.
 
This is a multi-year deal. We'll end up on ESPN 3 in future years. I didn't count them but NC State has a number of games on ESPNU too. most that aren't on the U are on the ACC network.
 
This is a multi-year deal. We'll end up on ESPN 3 in future years. I didn't count them but NC State has a number of games on ESPNU too. most that aren't on the U are on the ACC network.

The deal with the AAC is for a higher % of games to be on ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU than the BE used to get. So, I'm not sure at all why you're saying this about ESPN3 when the fact is, the AAC will get a higher % of games than the BE used to. The deal was for 65% of the games to be on those 3 networks specifically (and/or farmed out to the likes of CBS SN).

In the first year of this arrangement, Louisville picked up 11 of the ESPN/ESPN2 slots while UConn picked up 15. Both schools picked up additional ESPNU slots and also CBS SN. Louisville snagged 3 CBS over the air slots while UConn only got 1.

Given the parameters of the deal, you expect exposure for UConn to decrease in future years? OK, then who is going to pick up the slack when Louisville isn't around to swallow up all those appearances? Tulane?

Here's what's going to happen in the future: UConn's national TV appearances will increase or at the very worst stay the same. There are no schools with better television exposure in the NCAA.

This is a good deal on the men's side, a very good deal.

As for the women, we have no idea yet.
 
It's 16 games on CBS Broadcast Over-the-Air Network (i.e. not CBS SN), ESPN and ESPN2. It doesn't include CBSSN or ESPNU or anything else. We have more national games on those channels, but I'm not counting them since they are hard to find channels just like FS2.

Got it, I misinterpreted what you meant by CBS Network.

16 games is a pretty good haul. Even considering we'll lose two national games a year when Louisville leaves, exposure wise as long as we maintain a great OOC we'll be on tv regularly.

Not to mention, pre season tournaments only can have one rep per conference, so we should have our pick when it comes to that as well.
 
Got it, I misinterpreted what you meant by CBS Network.

16 games is a pretty good haul. Even considering we'll lose two national games a year when Louisville leaves, exposure wise as long as we maintain a great OOC we'll be on tv regularly.
Yes, it's actually great exposure (remember we are on the new TV deal for basketball; next year for football). I think you missed upstarters point, though. The AAC is still guaranteed 63% of all men's games on national TV -- with Louisville gone next year, UConn's Natty TV exposure will most definitely go up -- they aren't going to fill those TV slots with Tulane vs. East Carolina.
 
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I am waiting for one of the bashers to explain just what leverage Aresco or wards had this time around. Let me rephrase: intelligently and realistically explain the leverage either had in the latest round of negotiations.
 
I am waiting for one of the bashers to explain just what leverage Aresco or wards had this time around. Let me rephrase: intelligently and realistically explain the leverage either had in the latest round of negotiations.

Entering into negotiations with NBC, ESPN, and whomever, start with this premise:

The only school left in the AAC with appreciable value in its non-nationally televised tv rights (call them Tier 3, a nomenclature used in differing ways by different conferences) is UCONN. Whatever games the network does not want to pick up for national distribution, is retained by the school.

UCONN is the only AAC school that commands its marketplace. No other school exerts such influence over its DMA. Not memphis, not usf, not tulane, smu, houston and on and on.

In order to monetize these rights, UCONN would need an outlet willing to pony up money for "scrub" games, or games that attract local interest. This applies to football (UCONN v. Towson, UCONN v. Memphis), hoops (UCONN v. Fairfield), both men's and women's.

With respect to the value of these rights-SNY is paying $1.2 million a year for 17 scrub women's basketball games.

UCONN wants these rights. The AAC wants these rights to use in negotiations with the networks to increase the value of the tv contract.

When UCONN finds out that the value of the tv contract which grants the AAC's media rights (digital included) to ESPN, UCONN has two choices accept this or not.

Enter Navy discussions. Navy has a current contract with CBS. Navy gets to keep its tv revenue from CBS in the future. This was part of the negotiations with NBC, ESPN.

UCONN tells Aresco- $2 million is way too low. UCONN makes $1.2 million on 17 scrub girl's games, but now it will make a total of $2 million on 9 or 10 football games, 20-22, men's games, and 20-22 women's games. These games include high profile matchups in football, and men's and women's basketball games.

UCONN tells Aresco, we keep our tier 3 rights. Let every school keep them. If other schools don't want this, UCONN buys out its rights for the $2 million.

In negotiations, ESPN/NBC has offered $2 million a year per school. How much less would the offer be if schools kept their tier 3 rights? Would the amount be $1,999,999? Would NBC buy essentially same content for even cheaper? Of course they would.

The conference would have been made whole (through UCONN's payment back its conference tv distribution if school's demurred on retaining their individual tier 3 rights).

As for leverage: If Navy gets to keep their TIER ONE rights, UCONN keeps their Tier 3 rights.

At this point, what is Aresco going to do? His conference has already blown up, and the tv number is basically at the point where the conference is paying ESPN to broadcast games like a giant infomercial.

This issue is unique only to UCONN. UCONN had a relationship with an RSN that is ready, willing and able to produce the games.

Instead, UCONN is like a dumb host with parasites feeding off of it.

And incidentally, Ward makes $40,000 per month to come up with ideas to make UCONN money.

And in the end, you know who is getting screwed the most? UCONN football. UCONN lost a partner that had a financial incentive to boost it in the NY market.
 
Rumrunner, you make some valid points and hopefully in the next negotiation (if we're stuck in this god-forsaken sh it hole) we will be able to negotiate for more money/third tier rights, etc. However, the league had more leverage than us during this round. They had $20-$30million of exit fee money that we were due. What's our leverage? We couldn't walk.

The difference between Navy and UConn is that Navy isn't in the league yet and they could have easily walked away at minimal (if no) cost with no vested interest. We have all that exit fee money to collect which should amount to more than another $2-$3 million a year in TV money for the next 6 years.
 
Keep in mind, the statistics X% of conference games will be on such-and-such networks only applies to CONFERENCE games. That is, games between two AAC teams. It does not apply to non-conference games, and all the football games with announced TV were non-conference games - Maryland and Towson. Buffalo hasn't announced TV yet to my knowledge, and the MAC has initial rights to that one anyway. Nothing's been announced for Michigan, though that will likely be national, not SNY.

The FCS game has been ESPN3 exclusive before, and Maryland was scheduled for reasons other than TV. The AAC doesn't have rights to the Buffalo game, and the MAC can choose where, if anywhere, it airs under its contract. It can also, within the terms of its contract, sell the rights to an AAC Network like SNY - the MAC has its own syndication network, I think, and since no Connecticut station is part of that network, they could sell the rights to the MAC broadcast to SNY (and/or allow SNY to broadcast from the stadium themselves). As I recall, when we played at Maryland last year, SNY showed the ACC Network broadcast because they didn't have the rights to make their own.

So nothing too out of the ordinary has happened yet. Don't jump to conclusions.
 
Not sure about that Gregory -- I think the AAC has rights to all of our home games conf. or non.
 
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