NLRB rules against NCAA

[superjohn]

No, they'll have to compensate them. Compensation can take a lot of forms, including scholarships and stipends, which most schools already provide. If you want college sports to have a semblance of structure and rules, then unionizing and collective bargaining is one of the ways to get there. Otherwise you can wait for that antitrust protection that will never come.

And I'm saying if they "have to" compensate them as employees they won't do it. If this continues young athletes will find out their value and in most cases their lack of value.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

So does college tuition go 3x?

 

[Chin Diesel]

If you're fine with only football and basketball being played at the scholarhip level then good on you. There's going to be a lot of people freaking out when all the other scholarship sports are cut and thousands of kids who would be getting free college are no longer getting it.

Yes, you'd end up with fewer scholarship athletes at a university. Convert them to academic scholarships or just become more lean as a university.

 

[How Sway?!]

And I'm saying if they "have to" compensate them as employees they won't do it. If this continues young athletes will find out their value and in most cases their lack of value.

They already compensate them. All this would do is create a legal framework around it. Youre also assuming every college athlete will join a union, which as the real world has proven, is not the case

 

[Chin Diesel]

And I'm saying if they "have to" compensate them as employees they won't do it. If this continues young athletes will find out their value and in most cases their lack of value.

As opposed to being lied to or deceived in to believing their athletic skills provide value beyond their education opportunity at the school??

The value and dollar amount of a 4-year education, room and board, and mostly free meals will soon look very appealing for more than 90% of current athletes on scholarship.

 

[HuskyHawk]

It will be the end of non-revenue sports. The same people pushing for this will be crying if/when that happens.

It's honestly the end of revenue sports at most schools. It's amazing to me just how exaggerated the revenue associated with college sports is. Minus the university branding, these games have all the appeal of the G-League or minor league baseball. Probably less than AAA baseball. There's no revenue to build stadiums, hire coaches and pay these players + give them scholarships. Idiots have convinced themselves that somehow the athletes were being taken advantage of. The market value of well over 90% of them is far less than tuition + room and board.

 

[HuskyHawk]

No, they'll have to compensate them. Compensation can take a lot of forms, including scholarships and stipends, which most schools already provide. If you want college sports to have a semblance of structure and rules, then unionizing and collective bargaining is one of the ways to get there. Otherwise you can wait for that antitrust protection that will never come.

Compensation as an employee means social security taxes, medicare taxes, income tax withholding on the value of that compensation. You think that's a win?

 

[superjohn]

They already compensate them. All this would do is create a legal framework around it. Youre also assuming every college athlete will join a union, which as the real world has proven, is not the case

They "compensate" them in the form of athletic scholarships and whatever small stipend for food/need based things. This is about paying them as employees and everything that goes along with that. Schools won't do it for sports that don't bring in money/lose money which is all of them except for football and basketball.

 

[superjohn]

It's honestly the end of revenue sports at most schools. It's amazing to me just how exaggerated the revenue associated with college sports is. Minus the university branding, these games have all the appeal of the G-League or minor league baseball. Probably less than AAA baseball. There's no revenue to build stadiums, hire coaches and pay these players + give them scholarships. Idiots have convinced themselves that somehow the athletes were being taken advantage of. The market value of well over 90% of them is far less than tuition + room and board.

That's the best when some people say they should just be the minor leagues. Without the Universities behind them semi-pro/minor leage football and basketball would go the way of the XFL.

 

[HuskyHawk]

That's the best when some people say they should just be the minor leagues. Without the Universities behind them semi-pro/minor leage football and basketball would go the way of the XFL.

I've said it for years. We root for the laundry. You put all of our players direct from HS on a minor league team unaffiliated with UConn and none of us would watch it.

People in the south watch HS football, so maybe you could pull off AAA level football and get some fans, but it would be 20,000 at best, not 60-100k we see at the biggest college programs. TV? Good luck with that.

 

[visitingcock]

Disagree, this ruling will likely make college sports look more similar to what they were 10-15 years ago. Unionizing and collective bargaining will eliminate a lot of the issues with transfers and NIL

Northern Law and Southern law regarding unions is Very different. Alabama is a “ right to work” state which means no closed shops. Therefore, every player can opt out even if the team unionized. Who’s gonna get more money? The quarterback on NIL or the deep snapper on union wages?

But do really expect Ohio State or Alabama players to join a union?

Also, Southern federal Courts may disagree on “ employee.” Split the circuits? What a mess.

Don’t worry. The SEC and Big will save us

 

[huskymedic]

Compensation as an employee means social security taxes, medicare taxes, income tax withholding on the value of that compensation. You think that's a win?

Wait till the bullpen catcher finds out he has to pay union dues

 

[uconnfan68]

Not a court. NLRB regional office.

Correct. I saw it on a feed and thought it was a court thing.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Not a court. NLRB regional office.

Well that makes a huge difference.

 

[Vowelguy]

They "compensate" them in the form of athletic scholarships and whatever small stipend for food/need based things. This is about paying them as employees and everything that goes along with that. Schools won't do it for sports that don't bring in money/lose money which is all of them except for football and basketball.

Not exactly. These schools already spend money on sports that don't generate money. This just becomes one more expense. Some schools will decide they can afford it. Though yes some schools will decide it's not worth it.

 

[visitingcock]

Correct. I saw it on a feed and thought it was a court thing.

Okie dokey. We’re still in prelims.

 

[Vowelguy]

Interesting that athletes are being considered employees. What about members of clubs?

Not sure what's the distinction between say Ivy league swimming team and Ivy league radio station.

 

[uconnfan68]

Interesting that athletes are being considered employees. What about members of clubs?

Not sure what's the distinction between say Ivy league swimming team and Ivy league radio station.

Water.

 

[visitingcock]

Dartmouth players ruled employees. Can unionize to negotiate travel, practice, etc. Expected to be appealed. Beginning of the end.

Can you change the thread title to NLRB instead of Courtx
?

 

[Vowelguy]

Water.

 

[gtcam]

I used to think colleges' jobs were to educate. How wrong I was!
Now, colleges' jobs are to entertain.
After all, what's more important, entertainment or education?

There hasn't been education or open discussion in the colleges for years
It's now re-education and directive thinking

 

[tykurez]

There hasn't been education or open discussion in the colleges for years
It's now re-education and directive thinking

Amen! My son went into college as a straight white male and now he’s graduating with a degree in mechanical engineer BUT he’s also gay!

 

[freescooter]

I've never cheered those things but keep doing what you do.

I was using you in the Sense of many people, not you personally. I had no idea your personal views. But your point that it was bad because they played on a bad team is wrong. They are either correct or not correct.

 

[fatlucy]

If you're fine with only football and basketball being played at the scholarhip level then good on you. There's going to be a lot of people freaking out when all the other scholarship sports are cut and thousands of kids who would be getting free college are no longer getting it.

I hear you but why do athletes get such preferential treatment over academics? What’s the business model? I can see revenue sports but the rest?

 

[upstater]

Something has to be done to regulate the cash flow at this point. Each school will need to develop departments that do the same things as sports teams. Each school needs to have a cap on funds available through NIL. I think college sports has already changed what it is. I think it’s for the better as it will reign in the habitual cheaters in the old system. But it is time for a different type of regulatory arm than the ncaa or the ncaa needs to change how the regulate college athletics.

This has nothing to do with NIL. This has to do with union wages and union benefits. They will need to cap practice time, and it could -- at the bigger schools -- eat into those $5k stipends.

Once you join a union, you also have to pay taxes on your income. Stipends aren't stipends anymore. In addition, depending on the parties in power, congress has gone after tuition remission as income in the past for paid employees. This is a very different thing than work-study.

 

[upstater]

Vast majority of non revenue scholarships are already institutionally backed. Why would that change? For a lot of schools, non revenue sports are enrollment drivers, they are not suddenly going to stop supporting them.

This is only true at D3 schools, not at D1 schools.

You can enroll all the people in the universe if you let them go to school for free, but this is exactly what schools are trying NOT to do.

 

[superjohn]

I hear you but why do athletes get such preferential treatment over academics? What’s the business model? I can see revenue sports but the rest?

Yep, that's the point. They had it is as good as it's going to get. They're already losing money for the schools, they're not going to start paying them to lose money for the schools.

 

[uconnfan68]

Can you change the thread title to NLRB instead of Courtx
?

I’m pretty sure mortals can’t do that.

 

[Vowelguy]

They're already losing money for the schools, they're not going to start paying them to lose money for the schools.

Again, why not?
They already are paying coaches to lose money for the schools. They already are paying thousands in airfares etc to lose money for the schools. How is this any different?
Absolutely some schools may get pushed over the edge and stop, but the idea that everyone will stop doesn’t make sense.

 

[superjohn]

Again, why not?
They already are paying coaches to lose money for the schools. They already are paying thousands in airfares etc to lose money for the schools. How is this any different?
Absolutely some schools may get pushed over the edge and stop, but the idea that everyone will stop doesn’t make sense.

How is this any different? It's way more money.