NLRB rules against NCAA

[NJHusky]

There is no benefit from the school to the athlete for club sports, so I'm not sure what you're saying. There is no relationship between a school and a club sports team other than the fact that the membership is voluntarily made up of a population of local college students.

Not always true....I skied on a club racing team for my school. The school paid for the lift tickets and paid a stipend to the students that drove to the mountain.

 

[NJHusky]

I hear you but why do athletes get such preferential treatment over academics? What’s the business model? I can see revenue sports but the rest?

When was the last time you saw 20k people buy tickets to a physics bowl?

 

[Vowelguy]

When was the last time you saw 20k people buy tickets to a physics bowl?

when was the last time you saw 200 people buy tickets to a college swim meet?

 

[upstater]

When was the last time you saw 20k people buy tickets to a physics bowl?

When's the last time a corporation gave a player $50m to conduct research?

Here's what's even more perverse: the school takes 60% of that $50m and uses 5% of the 60% to subsidize sports!?!?!?!?

 

[superjohn]

When's the last time a corporation gave a player $50m to conduct research?

Here's what's even more perverse: the school takes 60% of that $50m and uses 5% of the 60% to subsidize sports!?!?!?!?

At least college sports bring a tremendous amount of enjoyment to people and opportunity to kids. Schools waste 10's of millions on stuff that doesn't provide any benefit to anyone other than those who are in on the grift.

 

[NJHusky]

At least college sports bring a tremendous amount of enjoyment to people and opportunity to kids. Schools waste 10's of millions on stuff that doesn't provide any benefit to anyone other than those who are in on the grift.

I know we've had this discussion before, but the tuition increase in excess of inflation by colleges is insane.

 

[NJHusky]

when was the last time you saw 200 people buy tickets to a college swim meet?

Depends which school....but I doubt most swimmers get full reimbursement like BB & FB. Most Baseball folks are on partial schollys, not full

 

[upstater]

At least college sports bring a tremendous amount of enjoyment to people and opportunity to kids. Schools waste 10's of millions on stuff that doesn't provide any benefit to anyone other than those who are in on the grift.

 

[upstater]

I know we've had this discussion before, but the tuition increase in excess of inflation by colleges is insane.

You're looking at tuition, not spending. The important thing to look at is expenditure per student if you want to measure the rise in costs versus inflation. Tuition is a totally different measure that is determined by many different things other than cost.

Are colleges spending too much? Look at expenditures.

 

[Vowelguy]

I know we've had this discussion before, but the tuition increase in excess of inflation by colleges is insane.

Sticker price yes. But how many are paying that? Colleges are huge on price discrimination. The price paid by the average student can be significantly below advertised tuition.

Eg, Trinity sticker price is 64k, but average student pays <30.

Trinity College Tuition and Costs - BigFuture College Search

Trinity College costs $29,789 after scholarships and grants, with 59% of students receiving financial aid and an average aid package of $58,323. Financial aid applications are due January 17.

bigfuture.collegeboard.org

 

[uconnfan68]

When was the last time you saw 20k people buy tickets to a physics bowl?

When did athletics bring in research $?

 

[NJHusky]

When did athletics bring in research $?

When was it supposed to?

 

[huskymedic]

 

[CL82]

When's the last time a corporation gave a player $50m to conduct research?

Here's what's even more perverse: the school takes 60% of that $50m and uses 5% of the 60% to subsidize sports!?!?!?!?

Mmmm, are you sure about that? I would be astounded if research money is just added to the schools general funds and doesn't come with specific use limitations.

Unrelated questions:

Do grad students get paid for doing outside funded research? I would guess yes. Do they need to join a union to do so? If not, would their unionizing potentially impact the cost of research?

 

[Hunt for 7]

There will no way to reach consensus on this topic. College was created to educate. Now one can make the argument that other than a few professions college has lost some of the inherent value of get a degree get a good job/ career and live happily ever after. Now it seems 65% of the of the majors available will do very little in doing either for person getting their bachelors degree. My opinion if this expands the biggest risk is the G league. Why play in a league with no crowd pressure if basketball becomes a business and players can claim their major is basketball they can spend all their time working on their craft. Specialized coaches could be hired and in all I think the game improves. Pretty radical but where are we really going anyway.

 

[willie99]

Pure speculation on my part, but a few questions

I suppose unionization only occurs at individual schools, not nationwide. Which means larger schools will not share their money with the Dartmouths of this world.

Will players receiving NIL actually want to unionize? I think not

What happens to union members who transfer or quit or flunk out? Are they still part of the union?

What happens when they graduate? Unions usually protect and argue for long-term benefits. What's their job when there's turnover every year and members leave after 4 years?

Looks like a big nothing burger to me. No teeth, but kids think they accomplished something. Until they graduate, then they'll wonder what we're they thinking

And who's going to coach at a unionized program? Kids get to call the shots? Furgetaboutit

 

[Malamute]

If college players are paid professionals and are ulitmately considered employees, let’s get rid of the 5 years to play 4 rule. There are already football players playing 7 plus years as it is. Let the employers decide how long they keep an employee so long as they are taking classes. JR Smith playing college golf, let him play hoops, what’s the real difference. Implement this quick enough and maybe we get Cam for another couple years until he gets his masters. Perhaps DH can bring back James B to get him straight and maybe bring back Ray for some shooting off the bench.

 

[shizzle787]

Ultimately, schools are going to pay their athletes at least a minimum wage for hours associated with time spent on the athletic activity (practice, games, travel, etc.).

Most schools will go along with this but a few will drop athletics, many will drop several sports, and some schools may even close because of this.

 

[superjohn]

Ultimately, schools are going to pay their athletes at least a minimum wage for hours associated with time spent on the athletic activity (practice, games, travel, etc.).

Why?

 

[shizzle787]

Why?

Because a court will rule that way in a few years and after multiple failed appeals, it will be law.

 

[superjohn]

Because a court will rule that way in a few years and after multiple failed appeals, it will be law.

I doubt it.

 

[shizzle787]

I doubt it.

We will see but it has been heading that way for the last 5 years.

 

[upstater]

Mmmm, are you sure about that? I would be astounded if research money is just added to the schools general funds and doesn't come with specific use limitations.

Unrelated questions:

Do grad students get paid for doing outside funded research? I would guess yes. Do they need to join a union to do so? If not, would their unionizing potentially impact the cost of research?

Funded Grad students -- by contract -- are not allowed to moonlight at all.

Yet they do. I know I waited tables while I also put in 80 hours a week as a grad student, and I served a table of my employers! They obviously didn't say a word. But it was in my contract.

Prepare to be astounded! Universities take a huge cut of research money for general use. Now, while universities take 60% of the grant and the rest is given to the grant winner(s), it's the university's job to fund all indirect costs (buildings, facilities, supplies, etc.) which means that the university then returns about 30% of the grant to the project. The rest goes into the general fund. Effectively, it's 30%.

 

[CL82]

Funded Grad students -- by contract -- are not allowed to moonlight at all.

Yet they do. I know I waited tables while I also put in 80 hours a week as a grad student, and I served a table of my employers! They obviously didn't say a word. But it was in my contract.

Prepare to be astounded! Universities take a huge cut of research money for general use. Now, while universities take 60% of the grant and the rest is given to the grant winner(s), it's the university's job to fund all indirect costs (buildings, facilities, supplies, etc.) which means that the university then returns about 30% of the grant to the project. The rest goes into the general fund. Effectively, it's 30%.

Are grad student researchers allowed to unionize, because if athletes end up doing it, I would fully expect grad students to be next.

 

[upstater]

Are grad student researchers allowed to unionize, because if athletes end up doing it, I would fully expect grad students to be next.

Depends on the state and public/private.

I had a situation in which I had a non-teaching 3 year fellowship that paid better than a grad-assistantship, but after the 3 years were over, I accepted a regular TA ship for lower pay. The union refused to allow a step down in pay which meant that, effectively, I had lost my assistantship. Eventually the administration bowed and just paid me at the same rate as my fellowship. So, yes, I was part of a grad union. Most public schools in many states have that structure. Few privates do, though I believe Yale U. has a union.