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Think of Azzi as more of an Olivia Miles PG. Creating offense anyway she can. Penetrating. Shooting 3's. Doing pull up jumpers. She can do it all with a better outside shot and she doesn't turn the ball over much. Put the ball in Azzi's hands. Having a great PG is a tremendous asset. Making do at PG is a detriment.
 
Excellent points, Coco, especially pointing out the infusion that Azzi's point play provided to AE's game! --It may well have been the key component to the "resurrection" of Edwards' game this past season. And as you mentioned in a previous post, a lineup that features Azzi at point, Caroline and Lou on the wings alongside Dorka and AE might be our best starting lineup, and Nika can come off the bench with her defensive energy.... Azzi could be quite lethal in Geno's offense as PG, especially when you have 2 and possibly 3 other quality shooters in the lineup....
No matter how you look at it, with the loss of Bueckers, Auriemma knows he has to replace at least 20 points of offense. Muhl will get her shot early to show if she’s improved her offense noticeably. If she hasn’t, I don’t see him watching his offense grind along in second gear. I believe Fudd will get the majority of the minutes running it in close games against quality competition if that’s the case. They have no one close to ONO inside on D and they’re going to need around 80 a game to beat good teams.
 
This debate is pretty interesting. I think those that want to start Azzi at the point and bring Nika off the bench believe that partly because they want to start the three best guards. Most of course have Azzi and Caroline ahead of Nika, but many consider Lou to be better overall as well.

Others are more interested in what combinations are the best fit, and would produce more chemistry and a balance of abilities. From that perspective they might believe Nika should start even if she is the fourth best guard. I am more in this camp.

The point has been made as to how when Nika and Paige were playing together it worked better with Nika on the point and Paige off the ball. To me the fact that the other three guards are all shooters makes the case more for combining that shooting ability with a great passer/defender instead of a third shooter.

We forget that for much of last year Nika did not have very good shooters to pass to. Paige and Azzi missed a ton of games and Caroline some too. As a result Nika often had Christyn and Evina to pass to on the perimeter. They were ok but don't strike fear in the defense like Azzi, Lou and Caroline do. Even with Paige out there are better options this year. When you need to fill three positions and will have shooter/scorers at two of them does it make sense to start your best passer and defender on the bench?
Muhl is not a better passer than Fudd and the foul shooting isn’t close. Auriemma will need all the offense he can get this year and I believe he’ll prioritize it.
 
We forget that for much of last year Nika did not have very good shooters to pass to. Paige and Azzi missed a ton of games and Caroline some too. As a result Nika often had Christyn and Evina to pass to on the perimeter. They were ok but don't strike fear in the defense like Azzi, Lou and Caroline do. Even with Paige out there are better options this year. When you need to fill three positions and will have shooter/scorers at two of them does it make sense to start your best passer and defender on the bench?
Your post leads me to believe that you think shooting and passing are unrelated and independent skills. For example you say that Nika did not have very good shooters to pass to, yet those were some of the same players that Paige was passing to when she broke UCONN freshman record for assists and when Paige returned from injury to lead the team in A:TO. So what would make some of those same players good shooters for Paige and suddenly "not very good shooters" for Nika?
 
Muhl is not a better passer than Fudd and the foul shooting isn’t close. Auriemma will need all the offense he can get this year and I believe he’ll prioritize it.
I disagree on the passing, and don't think it is even close. Regardless of who starts at PG, I think Azzi and Caroline get maximum minutes as starters, the main decision on playing time is how the remaining minutes get split between Lou and Nika. All the combinations of those four will see time together and have a track record after we get some games in.

Regardless of how many minutes they get, IMO all of Nika's minutes should be at point guard, Azzi's should be at shooting guard and point guard, and Caroline and Lou's just at shooting guard and small forward.
 
Your post leads me to believe that you think shooting and passing are unrelated and independent skills. For example you say that Nika did not have very good shooters to pass to, yet those were some of the same players that Paige was passing to when she broke UCONN freshman record for assists and when Paige returned from injury to lead the team in A:TO. So what would make some of those same players good shooters for Paige and suddenly "not very good shooters" for Nika?
My point is more about the shooters both Paige and Nika had to work with. In their freshmen year most of the time played at the 2 and 3 was Christyn and Evina. When either Paige or Nika was playing the point, on the perimeter they had just OK three point threats. That also made it easier to defend the paint against us, because if you gave up an open three to Christyn or Evina it was still better than an easy 2.

When Nika and Paige were in at the same time the best combination was Nika playing the point and Paige at SG. If Paige was the point, she had Nika and either Christyn or Evina to pass to on the perimeter, not a very good option, but when Nika played the point at least she had one very good shooter in Paige as an option. In many ways both Paige and Nika had a handicap of frequently not having dangerous three point threats to play with.

This year is entirely different. We have three guards that cannot be left alone beyond the arc. That also opens up the inside options some. I believe that shooting and passing are very related. If you have three shooters without enough passing that shooting ability could be underutilized, just like having a passer like Paige or Nika can be underutilized if their perimeter threats are mediocre.

Before Paige's injury this was going to be the year where we had the perfect marriage of passers and shooters, enhancing the value and production of both types of players, and of course Paige is in both categories. Azzi now figures to be the best of the four guards, and I feel she will get big minutes, but the higher percentage of those that are at SG the better, with her playing the point only when Nika is sitting.

As for minutes overall the real debate is between Lou and Nika. Lou might be a better overall player than Nika, but even if that is true there is more to it than that. If Lou is in for Nika then presumably Azzi is the point, so it is not just which of those two are better because Azzi as good as she could be at the point, is not as great as she can be as a natural SG. Then also factoring in a balance of traits, passing, shooting, rebounding, defense.

With only 4 guards (for now) over the season, we should see all the permutations and combinations of these four. I don't know which 3 Geno will start with, but over time the results will probably determine what works best. I think the correlation between shooting and passing is very strong. With Paige we had both traits in one great player. Nika has some of Paige's passing and defense, and Lou appears to have some of Paige's shooting and scoring ability. So Geno has to figure out how to incorporate those traits with what he has in the other two, which is mostly shooting and scoring from Azzi and Caroline.

Always an interesting debate.
 
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This has been debated several times in various threads already, but it's a really important question. I agree that Nika will need a backup pg. Clearly it mainly has to be Azzi, since she has the best foot speed and handles on the team, though the cost of keeping her on the ball is high. We need her to be off the ball as much as possible.

So how much can anyone expect Nika to stay in a game? 3 factors might limit her: foul trouble, injury, lack of offense. If I put my Carcan the Magnificent hat on, I'd predict she'll average 25mins/game. It may take her several games at the beginning to learn to keep the fouls under control, which means she may average more like 30 mins later in the season. I think she'll figure out how to finish at the rim more often and develop a mid range jumpshot off the dribble, and this will allow Geno to keep her on the floor in the 4th quarter in the tournament.

The problem is she hasn't really shown us a jump shot in two years. Her 3 pt shot is a standing set shot. A one dribble pull-up jumper is not that easy to develop. But Nika is a pretty resolute personality, and if Paige eggs her on, I wouldn't put it past her.

But 30 mins for Nika means 35 for Azzi and Caroline, ad at least 10, maybe 15-20, for Lou. This is a crew that's going to need some serious stamina, since our depth is mainly in the front court.
Why do we need her off ball as much as possible when Paige, a PG and who handled the ball most often, averaged 20 ppg her freshman year? Having the ball in your hands does not necessarily mean you impact the offense less, in many cases, you impact it more.
 
Why do we need her off ball as much as possible when Paige, a PG and who handled the ball most often, averaged 20 ppg her freshman year? Having the ball in your hands does not necessarily mean you impact the offense less, in many cases, you impact it more.
Geno moved Nika into the starting lineup freshman year precisely in order to allow Paige to play off the ball as much a possible.
 
Geno moved Nika into the starting lineup freshman year precisely in order to allow Paige to play off the ball as much a possible.
That year PB (29 of 29), EW (30 of 30) and CW (29 of 29) started every game they played, so NM starting was more of a function of the other players ineffectiveness or injury, not to get PB off the ball. PB was going to score regardless whether she had the ball in her hands. She is an elite scorer, as is . Elite scorers will score from whatever position they play.
 
That year PB (29 of 29), EW (30 of 30) and CW (29 of 29) started every game they played, so NM starting was more of a function of the other players ineffectiveness or injury, not to get PB off the ball. PB was going to score regardless whether she had the ball in her hands. She is an elite scorer, as is Azzi Fudd. Elite scorers will score from whatever position they play.
I think we are getting hung up on the starting part. Paige is a great point guard and great off the ball. Nika is far more effective as the point guard and frankly is not nearly as good off the ball. So if Paige and Nika are both in the game, it works much better with Nika at the point and Paige as the SG. When Nika is not in the game Paige is the obvious choice at PG.

It wasn't that Nika was a better point guard, or that Paige is better off the ball than on it. Rather it is because Paige is great at both and her versatility allowed us to play two point guards some of the time without playing Nika out of position. Elite scorers may be able to score reasonably well to the extent they can create their own shot, but if Azzi is playing the point her shots will be harder to come by because she has to do it on her own, and a major part of her job will be to get the ball to Caroline and Lou where she will probably be less effective than Nika, making their opportunities harder as well.
 
That year PB (29 of 29), EW (30 of 30) and CW (29 of 29) started every game they played, so NM starting was more of a function of the other players ineffectiveness or injury, not to get PB off the ball. PB was going to score regardless whether she had the ball in her hands. She is an elite scorer, as is Azzi Fudd. Elite scorers will score from whatever position they play.
I like your optimism. Don't ever lose that.

Of course Azzi can get her own shots, but she's probably not going to get a lot of 3 point shots as pg. This is also what we saw with Paige. At point, she mainly took midrange jumpers and drove the lane. To get an open 3, she needed to work off a pass from a teammate, which happened often enough. Personally, I love Paige's midrange game. That she could score so effortlessly, even if it was mainly two pointers, is really demoralizing for opponents. I think Azzi can play that game too. But we might feel like we've missed out on something if this costs us her 7 3 pointer performances. Those are demoralizing too.

Imagine a game where KML only scored 2s off the dribble. She was good at that. But we'd miss the 3s.
 
I think we are getting hung up on the starting part. Paige is a great point guard and great off the ball. Nika is far more effective as the point guard and frankly is not nearly as good off the ball. So if Paige and Nika are both in the game, it works much better with Nika at the point and Paige as the SG. When Nika is not in the game Paige is the obvious choice at PG.

It wasn't that Nika was a better point guard, or that Paige is better off the ball than on it. Rather it is because Paige is great at both and her versatility allowed us to play two point guards some of the time without playing Nika out of position. Elite scorers may be able to score reasonably well to the extent they can create their own shot, but if Azzi is playing the point her shots will be harder to come by because she has to do it on her own, and a major part of her job will be to get the ball to Caroline and Lou where she will probably be less effective than Nika, making their opportunities harder as well.
Fudd would have no problem getting the ball to the other shooters because she can do it off penetration with her head up beating the primary defender and forcing the D to make a choice. Give her an open 12 footer or stay with the wing. If the help comes she kicks it to an open shooter. Not less effective because the D will come at her much more often than they will Muhl leaving a shooter wide open more often. Because she can make the shots. That's why GA played her with Bueckers so much in close games against quality teams during the end of season run. He needed offense and he'll need consistent offense even more this year because this team won't be built to play from behind against decent/really good teams. They don't have their goalie anymore.
 
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Fudd would have no problem getting the ball to the other shooters because she can do it off penetration with her head up beating the primary defender and forcing the D to make a choice. Give her an open 12 footer or stay with the wing. If the help comes she kicks it to an open shooter. Not less effective because the D will come at her much more often than they will Muhl leaving a shooter wide open more often. Because she can make the shots. That's why GA played her with Bueckers so much in close games against quality teams during the end of season run. He needed offense and he'll need consistent offense even more this year because this team won't be built to play from behind against decent/really good teams. They don't have their goalie anymore.
If I understand you correctly, Azzi is a better point guard than Nika. I think that's right, from a purely skills point of view. The only question I have about it is whether it costs us something to have Azzi at point. We all know what that might be. But maybe it is worth it to get fewer 3s from Azzi if it means we get better perimeter production from Caroline and Lou.

Still, we need two things from Nika that may make it worthwhile to have her at point: minutes and D. I think we need at least 20 mins at point from Nika, and maybe more. She's not a credible sg or wing, so if she's in the game, she has to play point. Now for her to make those minutes maximally productive for the team, she needs to up her offensive game. I think she can do it.
 
Geno moved Nika into the starting lineup freshman year precisely in order to allow Paige to play off the ball as much a possible.
That is simply not correct. Nika was moved into the starting lineup her freshman year as a result of two injuries to starting players. ( Ann Mukarat and Paige Beckers). This was UCONN 10th game of the season on 1/23/21 against Georgetown. It is not as if Nika was on a hot streak prior to that first start either. In the game before Georgetown Nika was a healthy DNP Coaches Decision vs TN. Prior to the TN game Nika played a total of 13 minutes in a 68 point win against Butler. Prior to the Butler game Nika was scoreless (0 for 6) in a 37 point win against Providence. Prior to Providence Nika was again held scoreless in 7 minutes against DePaul -a 23 point UCONN win. Prior to the DePaul game NIka was again a healthy DNP Coaches Decision vs Villanova. After the first 4 games of the season (up to Villanova) Nika had not recorded a singe field goal, had two games ( Creighton & Xavier) that were DNP Coaches Decision and had assists total of 1 vs 7 turnovers. Nika didn't do anything significant enough to earn a starting spot prior to the the Georgetown game and Paige didn't need much help because by that point she had established herself as the National Freshman of the week 2x and was well on her way to being POY.

Not only was Nika entry into the starting lineup the result of injury but the lingering injury to Ann Mukarat was what largely allowed Nika to remain in the starting lineup. That a healthy Anna was a superior offensive player (passing and shooting) to Nika should not even be debatable but I'm willing to go there if necessary.
 
If I understand you correctly, Azzi is a better point guard than Nika. I think that's right, from a purely skills point of view. The only question I have about it is whether it costs us something to have Azzi at point. We all know what that might be. But maybe it is worth it to get fewer 3s from Azzi if it means we get better perimeter production from Caroline and Lou.

Still, we need two things from Nika that may make it worthwhile to have her at point: minutes and D. I think we need at least 20 mins at point from Nika, and maybe more. She's not a credible sg or wing, so if she's in the game, she has to play point. Now for her to make those minutes maximally productive for the team, she needs to up her offensive game. I think she can do it.
I'm not really into the "we needs" thing, I'm focused on what Auriemma needs and does. Yes, one of his and the team's goals is to win the BE. But he freely says that they use the whole season to prepare for the NC tournament. It usually involves testing players in different positions and situations to see who he can trust when the big games come. That was difficult last year due to all the injuries, particularly to Bueckers. But when it came tournament time he did just what I expected him to.
I'm not saying Muhl doesn't have a function, she does. It's just not as a 30+ mpg PG. When the tournament started and he knew Bueckers was fully available, GA used her as a 13 mpg backup PG, and that was with 22 minutes in the blowout of Mercer. Because he knows that to beat good teams you need consistent offense. Defense will help keep you in them but you have to score points against good D to win them. That's why he made the post season comments about her need to come up with an offensive game. I'm sure he discussed it with her in private but of course had to use his media messengers to put out the public challenge. She'll obviously get her chances to show what she's got early and how she's used in the tough early season matchups will tell us if she's met his expectations.
 
Not only was Nika entry into the starting lineup the result of injury but the lingering injury to Ann Mukarat was what largely allowed Nika to remain in the starting lineup. That a healthy Anna was a superior offensive player (passing and shooting) to Nika should not even be debatable but I'm willing to go there if necessary.
Yes, Nika entered the starting lineup because of an injury. But that's not why she stayed in it. And yes, Anna was a superior offensive player to Nika, though certainly not a viable point guard. And yes, Nika's defensive presence was unquestionably superior to Anna's, especially after her injury. All in all, Nika entered the position accidentally but opportunely. And it would be bizarre to ignore the advantage Geno saw in having Nika at point for Paige's game. We can disagree about whether it paid off in greater offense and defense for the entire squad or even for Paige. But that's a different question. For whatever reason, Geno preferred having Paige off the ball for part of the game.
 
I'm not really into the "we needs" thing, I'm focused on what Auriemma needs and does. Yes, one of his and the team's goals is to win the BE. But he freely says that they use the whole season to prepare for the NC tournament. It usually involves testing players in different positions and situations to see who he can trust when the big games come. That was difficult last year due to all the injuries, particularly to Bueckers. But when it came tournament time he did just what I expected him to.
I'm not saying Muhl doesn't have a function, she does. It's just not as a 30+ mpg PG. When the tournament started and he knew Bueckers was fully available, GA used her as a 13 mpg backup PG, and that was with 22 minutes in the blowout of Mercer. Because he knows that to beat good teams you need consistent offense. Defense will help keep you in them but you have to score points against good D to win them. That's why he made the post season comments about her need to come up with an offensive game. I'm sure he discussed it with her in private but of course had to use his media messengers to put out the public challenge. She'll obviously get her chances to show what she's got early and how she's used in the tough early season matchups will tell us if she's met his expectations.
I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with my point. I have no idea what Geno "needs" -- I'll leave that to others to offer learned opinions on. When asked, Geno usually mentions a bottle in a cabinet in his office. If you think we're not permitted to speculate on what might be good for the team (i.e. "we need..."), then the BY must be a dull place indeed, since there's little else such a forum can be used for besides sharing news and speculating on the likely significance of it.

As for what Geno did tournament time, we both agree -- and I've mentioned this several times in other threads -- he cut Nika's minutes, especially in the 4th quarter. Now, I haven't had a chance yet to have Geno over for dinner to discuss his reasons for doing so. But my guess is that he considered her offense a liability at such moments. I suspect you agree with me about this. I take it this is why you mention what we've all pointed to over and over and over again, namely that Nika needs (uh oh, forbidden word) to improve her offense.

If we assume Nika succeeds in improving her offense -- and I'm an inveterate optimist -- she'll be able to stay on the court longer. Why should we (or Geno) care about this? Because otherwise we only have 3 guards to share 3 positions, and they may need some rest -- yes, Aubrey and Ayanna may get a few minutes at the 3, but will it be enough to spell Azzi or Caroline? I doubt it. And do we (by "we" here I mean you) think Lou will be able to play 30 mins at the 3? This will depend on her D, I suspect, and as Geno has suggested. So, doing the math -- if Azzi and Caroline play 35 mins each (optimistic, I think) and Lou only gives us 20 at the 3, and Aubrey and Ayanna can only give us 5-10, we're still short 20 mins/game. That's what "we" (i.e. the team we all root for) needs from Nika. And if you think as I do that those assumptions above are optimistic, then we may need even more mins from her. Of course, beyond this, we may discover that one or another lineup is preferable, and entails a lot more (or less) mins from Nika. Here's where I get to say, "only time will tell."
 
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I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with my point. I have no idea what Geno "needs" -- I'll leave that to others to offer learned opinions on. When asked, Geno usually mentions a bottle in a cabinet in his office. If you think we're not permitted to speculate on what might be good for the team (i.e. "we need..."), then the BY must be a dull place indeed, since there's little else such a forum can be used for besides sharing news and speculating on the likely significance of it.

As for what Geno did tournament time, we both agree -- and I've mentioned this several times in other threads -- he cut Nika's minutes, especially in the 4th quarter. Now, I haven't had a chance yet to have Geno over for dinner to discuss his reasons for doing so. But my guess is that he considered her offense a liability at such moments. I suspect you agree with me about this. I take it this is why you mention what we've all pointed to over and over and over again, namely that Nika needs (uh oh, forbidden word) to improve her offense.

If we assume Nika succeeds in improving her offense -- and I'm an inveterate optimist -- she'll be able to stay on the court longer. Why should we (or Geno) care about this? Because we only have 3 guards to share 3 positions, and they may need some rest -- yes, Aubrey and Ayanna may get a few minutes at the 3, but will it be enough to spell Azzi or Caroline? I doubt it. And do we (by "we" here I mean you) think Lou will be able to play 30 mins at the 3? This will depend on her D, I suspect, and as Geno has suggested. So, doing the math -- if Azzi and Caroline play 35 mins each (optimistic, I think) and Lou only gives us 20 at the 3, and Aubrey and Ayanna can only give us 5-10, we're still short 20 mins/game. That's what "we" (i.e. the team we all root for) needs from Nika. And if you think as I do that those assumptions above are optimistic, then we need even more mins from her. But beyond this, we may discover that one or another lineup is preferable, and entails a lot more (or less) mins from Nika. Here's where I get to say, "only time will tell."
:eek:Clarification question: Are you projecting Nika as the starting PG, only playing only 20 minutes per game as well as projecting and offense improvement? If so I would strongly disagree- That would be fewer MPG than Nika has averaged in each of her first two season.
 
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Muhl is not a better passer than Fudd and the foul shooting isn’t close. Auriemma will need all the offense he can get this year and I believe he’ll prioritize it.
Nika is more like the 5th most important player. Being able to call a huddle is not the primary leadership attribute or much a factor in PLAYER EFFICIENCY. Our best team has Azzi as the PG, Lou as the shooting guard and Caroline as the 3. I love our depth at big as I don't think we are going to see much drop off with Ice and Ayanna. Nika will probably start but to me she's still a good sub. A case could be made for bringing Lou off the bench for some scoring punch and Nika starting to set tone and keep people fresh. Having one sub guard really sucks. I see no choice but to go with 3 bigs almost every game for at least a few minutes.

I believe Fudd’s A/T ratio was close to 1, perhaps below that. Muhl’s was about half a point higher, about the same as Westbrook’s. When was the last time Auriemma put his trust in a PG with a sub A/T ratio?

You can believe Fudd can be the PG based faith in her abilities, but the empirical evidence does not support her being a starting PG for a UConn quality team.

on Edit: I’ll reiterate this. It could be that Muhl plays a lesser role this year and we start a PG with a historical A/T below 1. But if that happens it is not a good sign for UConn.
 
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:eek:Clarification question: Are you projecting Nika as the starting PG, only playing only 20 minutes per game as well as projecting and offense improvement? If so I would strongly disagree- That would be fewer MPG than Nika has averaged in each of her first two season.
I was saying that we’d need at least, ie more than, 20 mins from her at the end of the season especially, for the various reasons expressed above. By the way, she did not average 20 mins in the tournament. And I’m also emphasizing that in the absence of Paige, Nika may need to be a better offensive threat all season long. Obviously in a 4-out set, with Azzi Caroline and Lou on the floor, the pressure on her is less but still substantial, for reasons we’ve all rehearsed often in the past few weeks. We’ve got a lot of weapons, but a pg is key to getting them open looks.
 
I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with my point. I have no idea what Geno "needs" -- I'll leave that to others to offer learned opinions on. When asked, Geno usually mentions a bottle in a cabinet in his office. If you think we're not permitted to speculate on what might be good for the team (i.e. "we need..."), then the BY must be a dull place indeed, since there's little else such a forum can be used for besides sharing news and speculating on the likely significance of it.

As for what Geno did tournament time, we both agree -- and I've mentioned this several times in other threads -- he cut Nika's minutes, especially in the 4th quarter. Now, I haven't had a chance yet to have Geno over for dinner to discuss his reasons for doing so. But my guess is that he considered her offense a liability at such moments. I suspect you agree with me about this. I take it this is why you mention what we've all pointed to over and over and over again, namely that Nika needs (uh oh, forbidden word) to improve her offense.

If we assume Nika succeeds in improving her offense -- and I'm an inveterate optimist -- she'll be able to stay on the court longer. Why should we (or Geno) care about this? Because otherwise we only have 3 guards to share 3 positions, and they may need some rest -- yes, Aubrey and Ayanna may get a few minutes at the 3, but will it be enough to spell Azzi or Caroline? I doubt it. And do we (by "we" here I mean you) think Lou will be able to play 30 mins at the 3? This will depend on her D, I suspect, and as Geno has suggested. So, doing the math -- if Azzi and Caroline play 35 mins each (optimistic, I think) and Lou only gives us 20 at the 3, and Aubrey and Ayanna can only give us 5-10, we're still short 20 mins/game. That's what "we" (i.e. the team we all root for) needs from Nika. And if you think as I do that those assumptions above are optimistic, then we may need even more mins from her. Of course, beyond this, we may discover that one or another lineup is preferable, and entails a lot more (or less) mins from Nika. Here's where I get to say, "only time will tell."
Certainly everyone can speculate as much as they want. But I speculate as an individual, independent observer since I have no ties to UConn and not as part of a group. I've followed Auriemma's teams for almost 30 years for their discipline and up tempo system. While I enjoy seeing their work pay off with a lot of success, I don't refer to the team as "we" since I'm not a member of it. To each his own. I have no needs from Muhl, Auriemma and the team do. I mostly agree with your points on this particular subject but I'm just not that concerned with all the mpg variables. I'm more interested in what Auriemma does when it's time to win games against teams he has a realistic chance of losing to. That's when we'll see if Muhl is indeed the most important player as the thread title implies and has the most impact on winning or losing.
 
I'm more interested in what Auriemma does when it's time to win games against teams he has a realistic chance of losing to. That's when we'll see if Muhl is indeed the most important player as the thread title implies and has the most impact on winning or losing.
Which is as much as to say, "only time will tell." It turns out we do agree (see above post).
 
Certainly everyone can speculate as much as they want. But I speculate as an individual, independent observer since I have no ties to UConn and not as part of a group. I've followed Auriemma's teams for almost 30 years for their discipline and up tempo system. While I enjoy seeing their work pay off with a lot of success, I don't refer to the team as "we" since I'm not a member of it. To each his own. I have no needs from Muhl, Auriemma and the team do. I mostly agree with your points on this particular subject but I'm just not that concerned with all the mpg variables. I'm more interested in what Auriemma does when it's time to win games against teams he has a realistic chance of losing to. That's when we'll see if Muhl is indeed the most important player as the thread title implies and has the most impact on winning or losing.
strongly agree, esp when a game is close imo comes down to has her scoring after 3 seasons improved? If not you are basically playing a 5 on 4 game on offense cause opposing teams are not fearing her shot.
 
I believe Fudd’s A/T ratio was close to 1, perhaps below that. Muhl’s was about half a point higher, about the same as Westbrook’s. When was the last time Auriemma put his trust in a PG with a sub A/T ratio?

You can believe Fudd can be the PG based faith in her abilities, but the empirical evidence does not support her being a starting PG for a UConn quality team.

on Edit: I’ll reiterate this. It could be that Muhl plays a lesser role this year and we start a PG with a historical A/T below 1. But if that happens it is not a good sign for UConn.
Playing PG is a role and responsibility that Fudd was not told to focus on and make her own during her chaotic, in and out freshman season last year. So I don't think stats compiled playing a different position really apply here. Auriemma doesn't have a lot of options with this roster as it is so I'm sure he'll use the preseason practices and maybe even the first couple games to test, experiment, and look at it from several angles for what's his best fit. Ball security and movement, transition quickness, finishing breaks, and even FT shooting in close games will likely be factors. And when he makes his decisions on his best option for certain games, matchups, and situations, I doubt he'll be looking at historical A/T ratios.
 
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“I feel like, when you hear scoring, that’s what I was always thinking about: go big or go home,” Muhl said this week at Auriemma’s charity golf event. “That’s not always the way it should work, and I’ve talked to him a lot about that. He gave me a different picture on it, a different perspective on it. So I’ve definitely been thinking about it a little different since then.”

“I’ve definitely been working on my pull-up,” Muhl said. “Overall, my scoring game, I’ve been working on it a lot. I think that’s what I’m lacking. My role is still going to be my role. Nothing is going to change. If I can get those additional things in, that would be great. But if I still want get my teammates the ball, I think that’s the best thing to do here, with all these great scorers.”

“It’s a process, obviously,” she said. “I’m just trying to get my confidence in my shot and trying to understand I can expand my role a little bit. Obviously, I have such great scorers around me. They’re all such good scorers, I just want to get them the ball. But I understand what (Auriemma) is talking about and I hope I can affect the game that way, too.”


mike.anthony@hearstmediact.com; @ManthonyHearst

As I have cited in previous posts. Nika has heard what Geno is asking her to do. She has come to understand and accept that to be on the floor and more importantly to help her team to be as successful as possible this season, she needs to add offensively to her game. The quotes above are before heading home this summer, prior to Paige's injury. Nika is a team first player and I have no doubt that knowing that Paige will not be available all season has further cemented within her the commitment to expand her game in the ways that Geno has challenged her to do so.

Simply put, something clicked in her early this summer, prior to that she may not have seen/accepted that her scoring was needed and even more than that necessary for the betterment of the team. She felt that her teammates were far superior scorers and that her only job on the offensive end of the court was to screen for them and get them the ball. As many have pointed out, and I agree, Geno hasn't seen it that way. He and her team don't need her to be focused on scoring on the offensive end, her primary role remains as a facilitator but she does need to be effective enough to force her defender to not play off her.

She gets that now. Nobody is asking her to become a 'scorer' but simply to add enough in that area to not cause her more skilled offensive teammates to face double teaming on her account. I believe she will rise to that challenge and will be the primary point guard this season. Unlike some posters, I believe that over her first two years, Geno has wanted Nika on the floor in that role and has not been able to use her at times because of the 'liability' of opponents being able to play off her - rather than being forced to have her on the court because he had no other options. Prior to her freshman season Geno expressed high praise for her and I believe had high expectations as well. If she comes back with enough scoring ability to simply keep the opponents honest I believe Geno will put the ball in her hands.
 
Nobody is asking her to become a 'scorer' but simply to add enough in that area to not cause her more skilled offensive teammates to face double teaming on her account. I believe she will rise to that challenge and will be the primary point guard this season.
Exactly. We’ve had this before our eyes all summer. She can hit the occasional 3, but those are standing set shots. But if she’s not a credible threat to score off the dribble, her ability to facilitate suffers.

One of the odd things over the past two seasons has been watching her shake a defender and drive into the lane and rarely take a shot. She’s got the handles and the moves to be a threat. She just needs to finish those drives occasionally.
 
“I feel like, when you hear scoring, that’s what I was always thinking about: go big or go home,” Muhl said this week at Auriemma’s charity golf event. “That’s not always the way it should work, and I’ve talked to him a lot about that. He gave me a different picture on it, a different perspective on it. So I’ve definitely been thinking about it a little different since then.”

“I’ve definitely been working on my pull-up,” Muhl said. “Overall, my scoring game, I’ve been working on it a lot. I think that’s what I’m lacking. My role is still going to be my role. Nothing is going to change. If I can get those additional things in, that would be great. But if I still want get my teammates the ball, I think that’s the best thing to do here, with all these great scorers.”

“It’s a process, obviously,” she said. “I’m just trying to get my confidence in my shot and trying to understand I can expand my role a little bit. Obviously, I have such great scorers around me. They’re all such good scorers, I just want to get them the ball. But I understand what (Auriemma) is talking about and I hope I can affect the game that way, too.”


mike.anthony@hearstmediact.com; @ManthonyHearst

As I have cited in previous posts. Nika has heard what Geno is asking her to do. She has come to understand and accept that to be on the floor and more importantly to help her team to be as successful as possible this season, she needs to add offensively to her game. The quotes above are before heading home this summer, prior to Paige's injury. Nika is a team first player and I have no doubt that knowing that Paige will not be available all season has further cemented within her the commitment to expand her game in the ways that Geno has challenged her to do so.

Simply put, something clicked in her early this summer, prior to that she may not have seen/accepted that her scoring was needed and even more than that necessary for the betterment of the team. She felt that her teammates were far superior scorers and that her only job on the offensive end of the court was to screen for them and get them the ball. As many have pointed out, and I agree, Geno hasn't seen it that way. He and her team don't need her to be focused on scoring on the offensive end, her primary role remains as a facilitator but she does need to be effective enough to force her defender to not play off her.

She gets that now. Nobody is asking her to become a 'scorer' but simply to add enough in that area to not cause her more skilled offensive teammates to face double teaming on her account. I believe she will rise to that challenge and will be the primary point guard this season. Unlike some posters, I believe that over her first two years, Geno has wanted Nika on the floor in that role and has not been able to use her at times because of the 'liability' of opponents being able to play off her - rather than being forced to have her on the court because he had no other options. Prior to her freshman season Geno expressed high praise for her and I believe had high expectations as well. If she comes back with enough scoring ability to simply keep the opponents honest I believe Geno will put the ball in her hands.
she doesn't need to be a scorer, the other team is going to make her beat them. In the Oregon she had clear looks from 3 hesitated and passed.
 
As I have cited in previous posts. Nika has heard what Geno is asking her to do. She has come to understand and accept that to be on the floor and more importantly to help her team to be as successful as possible this season, she needs to add offensively to her game. The quotes above are before heading home this summer, prior to Paige's injury. Nika is a team first player and I have no doubt that knowing that Paige will not be available all season has further cemented within her the commitment to expand her game in the ways that Geno has challenged her to do so.

Simply put, something clicked in her early this summer, prior to that she may not have seen/accepted that her scoring was needed and even more than that necessary for the betterment of the team. She felt that her teammates were far superior scorers and that her only job on the offensive end of the court was to screen for them and get them the ball. As many have pointed out, and I agree, Geno hasn't seen it that way. He and her team don't need her to be focused on scoring on the offensive end, her primary role remains as a facilitator but she does need to be effective enough to force her defender to not play off her.

She gets that now. Nobody is asking her to become a 'scorer' but simply to add enough in that area to not cause her more skilled offensive teammates to face double teaming on her account. I believe she will rise to that challenge and will be the primary point guard this season. Unlike some posters, I believe that over her first two years, Geno has wanted Nika on the floor in that role and has not been able to use her at times because of the 'liability' of opponents being able to play off her - rather than being forced to have her on the court because he had no other options. Prior to her freshman season Geno expressed high praise for her and I believe had high expectations as well. If she comes back with enough scoring ability to simply keep the opponents honest I believe Geno will put the ball in her hands.
The need for Nika's offensive improvement, better ball security and better control defensively (less fouling) was very apparent within the first 10 games of her Freshman year. It should not take until her Junior year and a second major injury to Paige for Nika to come to the realization that those needs for improvement are critical to UCONN team success. This is also not the UCONN WBB way. Being surrounded by superior scorers should not have been used as an excuse because that has always been the case for any Non-starter at UCONN. That reality (being with superior scorers) should have been used by Nika as a challenge to elevate her individual game to be on par with her teammates. This would have eliminated much of the severe disrespect that UCONN opponents are showing to Nika defensively by allowing her to shoot wide open uncontested shots, not defending essential spots on the floor such as the rim and playing Nika strictly to pass all while doubling down on other players on the floor.
 
Playing PG is a role and responsibility that Fudd was not told to focus on and make her own during her chaotic, in and out freshman season last year. So I don't think stats compiled playing a different position really apply here. Auriemma doesn't have a lot of options with this roster as it is so I'm sure he'll use the preseason practices and maybe even the first couple games to test, experiment, and look at it from several angles for what's his best fit. Ball security and movement, transition quickness, finishing breaks, and even FT shooting in close games will likely be factors. And when he makes his decisions on his best option for certain games, matchups, and situations, I doubt he'll be looking at historical A/T ratios.
Lol. And Muhl’s own chaos, also with injury and adjusting to our style of basketball, is not a factor in her performance?

I get it. If UConn played truly positionless basketball across all five positions, Muhl would not be one of the five starters, and would not even be one of the five most important players, let alone most important player.

But PG is a specialized role even within the UConn system, which involves directing the offense with a minimum of mistakes. Muhl has been and will continue to be trained specifically for that role. No one else besides Bueckers was being trained for that, and if Bueckers was here this year, or with Arnold next year, you can bet Fudd would not be groomed for it.

I included your quote because in your objection to Muhl not being one of the most important you supported that with saying Muhl is not a better passer than Fudd. If true, the proof lies in your faith in Fudd’s abilities and not on what has been actually demonstrated. Making excuses for her ”chaos” does not suffice as real evidence in support of what you believe.

So once again, it may be that Muhl plays a lesser role this year while Fudd handles a significant part of the PG duties, but if that happens that is not good news for UConn. Any program would want to first and foremost to groom and keep giving experience to Fudd as a SG or playing “positionless,” with some amount of confidence she will be the best in the country in that role, allowed to blossom that way by continuing to use a person specifically groomed for PG in that position. If they can’t do that and have to use Fudd or anyone else in the PG role, destined to only be a temporary fix, that has both short term and long term consequences for the program.
 
The need for Nika's offensive improvement, better ball security and better control defensively (less fouling) was very apparent within the first 10 games of her Freshman year. It should not take until her Junior year and a second major injury to Paige for Nika to come to the realization that those needs for improvement are critical to UCONN team success. This is also not the UCONN WBB way. Being surrounded by superior scorers should not have been used as an excuse because that has always been the case for any Non-starter at UCONN. That reality (being with superior scorers) should have been used by Nika as a challenge to elevate her individual game to be on par with her teammates. This would have eliminated much of the severe disrespect that UCONN opponents are showing to Nika defensively by allowing her to shoot wide open uncontested shots, not defending essential spots on the floor such as the rim and playing Nika strictly to pass all while doubling down on other players on the floor.
Exactly. Auriemma would've been all over this at that point and that's why I can't believe this recent challenge to her was his first. Maybe that's why he made it public. Like Ono with her offense, I don't understand how some players at this level of BB can be so unaware of the need to constantly upgrade their games. Even just watching all the pro and college games that they do and seeing what the best players are able to do should cause a light to come on for them.
 
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