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Flagg I don’t think we have a clear case as to why we’re his best option. Hopefully location matters to him.

For Ngongba on the other hand, I think we have a clear case as to why we’re his best option. While he’s a great, 5 star player, he doesn’t have a one and done profile. He’s likely to get minutes as a freshman at Duke, due to them missing on Bidunga, but you can bet they’ll recruit another 5 star center who they hope can take his minutes every year he stays in school. Ditto for Kentucky. K State, hard to see what edge they can have other than the family connection. As for UConn, we’ll put him on the sanogo/clingan development plan and he’ll get every chance to be the best player he can possibly be in storrs…not to mention play with his cousin and win 10 championships
 
BGesus4 said:
Flagg I don’t think we have a clear case as to why we’re his best option. Hopefully location matters to him.

For Ngongba on the other hand, I think we have a clear case as to why we’re his best option. While he’s a great, 5 star player, he doesn’t have a one and done profile. He’s likely to get minutes as a freshman at Duke, due to them missing on Bidunga, but you can bet they’ll recruit another 5 star center who they hope can take his minutes every year he stays in school. Ditto for Kentucky. K State, hard to see what edge they can have other than the family connection. As for UConn, we’ll put him on the sanogo/clingan development plan and he’ll get every chance to be the best player he can possibly be in storrs…not to mention play with his cousin and win 10 championships
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We have an NBA caliber playbook that by all accounts is as detailed or more detailed than any other college program. Our offense would enable a player like Flagg to showcase his game and get ready for the next level arguably better than any other program. I get NIL, him growing up a Duke fan, their tradition, and the ACC. But if we are all UConn fans here and not recognizing what we do have to offer, then what are we even doing? We have a coaching staff that has successfully developed kids for the next level that have left UConn better players and people than they entered.
 
TheHorde said:
We have an NBA caliber playbook that by all accounts is as detailed or more detailed than any other college program. Our offense would enable a player like Flagg to showcase his game and get ready for the next level arguably better than any other program. I get NIL, him growing up a Duke fan, their tradition, and the ACC. But if we are all UConn fans here and not recognizing what we do have to offer, then what are we even doing? We have a coaching staff that has successfully developed kids for the next level that have left UConn better players and people than they entered.
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If you think there’s a definitive case that UConn will put Flagg in a better position than the other two schools on his list then you might actually be as obtuse as all of your posts would indicate. That doesnt mean that a case can’t be made but it would have to be pretty nuanced. …as opposed to the ngongba recruitment, for which the case to be made seems obvious
 
BGesus4 said:
If you think there’s a definitive case that UConn will put Flagg in a better position than the other two schools on his list then you might actually be as obtuse as all of your posts would indicate. That doesnt mean that a case can’t be made but it would have to be pretty nuanced. …as opposed to the ngongba recruitment, for which the case to be made seems obvious
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Flagg won't be impacted by any of those three schools. It takes a lot of hubris to think otherwise.

As for Ngongba, well the current NBA rookie of the year is a center who went to Duke. So the case is far from obvious there too. More so compared to K-State of course. I think his game is enough like Sanogo's that he can probably see how we'd use him and that we had success with guys like him. He's a fit for our system and what Dan wants to do. Banchero was a very different player.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Flagg won't be impacted by any of those three schools. It takes a lot of hubris to think otherwise.

As for Ngongba, well the current NBA rookie of the year is a center who went to Duke. So the case is far from obvious there too. More so compared to K-State of course. I think his game is enough like Sanogo's that he can probably see how we'd use him and that we had success with guys like him. He's a fit for our system and what Dan wants to do. Banchero was a very different player.
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Dude, Banchero isn't a center.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Flagg won't be impacted by any of those three schools. It takes a lot of hubris to think otherwise.

As for Ngongba, well the current NBA rookie of the year is a center who went to Duke. So the case is far from obvious there too. More so compared to K-State of course. I think his game is enough like Sanogo's that he can probably see how we'd use him and that we had success with guys like him. He's a fit for our system and what Dan wants to do. Banchero was a very different player.
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Yeah, my point is that I don’t think ngongba is a one and done guy and duke is a tough development environment for multi year players given the way they recruit. They only reason they’re on him is he’s their best option after missing on the one and done big they were after.
 
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BGesus4 said:
If you think there’s a definitive case that UConn will put Flagg in a better position than the other two schools on his list then you might actually be as obtuse as all of your posts would indicate. That doesnt mean that a case can’t be made but it would have to be pretty nuanced. …as opposed to the ngongba recruitment, for which the case to be made seems obvious
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Insults mean you’ve lost the plot my guy. Nowhere did I say “a definitive case”. It’s been WELL documented how advanced UConn’s playbook is and how it’s an NBA offense. Maybe you’re not a truly loyal fan and deep down you bleed Dook blue?
 
scheyer seems to be taking a page out of calamari's book on roster construction. rule #1- sign as many 5*s as possible regardless of position and hopefully it works itself out. i guess that's his only rule really.
 
HuskyHawk said:
the current NBA rookie of the year is a center who went to Duke.
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the magic's starting C is wendall carter, who did go to Duke, so you get partial credit
 
bendm said:
scheyer seems to be taking a page out of calamari's book roster construction. rule #1- sign as many 5*s as possible regardless of position and hopefully it works itself out.
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Do you think anybody is turning away 5 stars? Imagine a coach doing this and saying " I'd rather go with 4's and 3's because they'll stay longer".
 
jibsey said:
Do you think anybody is turning away 5 stars? Imagine a coach doing this and saying " I'd rather go with 4's and 3's because they'll stay longer".
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who said the alternative to a 5* has to be a 3*? i'm not talking about going pro versus staying in school, i;m talking about not having a team of all SFs, so yeah maybe he should sign a 4* PG or C if necessary. and why are you even arguing with what is clearly a joke?
 
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Ngongba and Banchero are very different players that were going to college with very different expectations

If he wants to go for one and done, maybe Duke is the place for him. If he knows he can’t or shouldn’t go one and done, well….we have a championship center, who could have been a first round pick after year 1, and has a real shot at being a lottery pick after year 2. That’s where I’d want to go

K State is a very likeable program with a very likeable coach. I don’t know much about them, but I’d assume they would be a good pick too
 
superjohn said:
It's weird you would double down on this.
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Nobody focuses on what matters. My post said we had great success with a guy who has a game more similar to PN, so if that matters to him we'd be a good fit. He can envision how he fits in our system and how we'd use him.

I just get tired of the silly posts here where posters proclaim that a player would be stupid to go to Duke or Kansas or whatever because they don't have our track record of producing players at their position. But yes, I am wrong on Banchero because I was thinking about Lively. The point remains, lottery pick center from Duke. Mark Williams went 15th in the draft. Duke isn't having any trouble developing centers.
 
REB1094 said:
Ngongba and Banchero are very different players that were going to college with very different expectations

If he wants to go for one and done, maybe Duke is the place for him. If he knows he can’t or shouldn’t go one and done, well….we have a championship center, who could have been a first round pick after year 1, and has a real shot at being a lottery pick after year 2. That’s where I’d want to go

K State is a very likeable program with a very likeable coach. I don’t know much about them, but I’d assume they would be a good pick too
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Danny will support one-and-done strategies, as Castle will illustrate. With Clingan leaving there will be no one to stop him from as much time as he can take -- Samson can play the 4 so they won't be competitive for minutes.

I wonder if his decision will be connected to Flagg's. Both UConn and Duke need a center and if Cooper and Ngongba pair up at either school, it would become the favorite for a national championship. That might tempt them to go together.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Nobody focuses on what matters. My post said we had great success with a guy who has a game more similar to PN, so if that matters to him we'd be a good fit. He can envision how he fits in our system and how we'd use him.

I just get tired of the silly posts here where posters proclaim that a player would be stupid to go to Duke or Kansas or whatever because they don't have our track record of producing players at their position. But yes, I am wrong on Banchero because I was thinking about Lively. The point remains, lottery pick center from Duke. Mark Williams went 15th in the draft. Duke isn't having any trouble developing centers.
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Duke or Kansas would be fine for a center, but don't fool yourself on Williams. He was a 5* recruit out of high school, had a chance to be one-and-done, but wasn't a lottery pick after his sophomore year. I'd argue that he would have developed better under the tutelage of Hurley and company.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Nobody focuses on what matters. My post said we had great success with a guy who has a game more similar to PN, so if that matters to him we'd be a good fit. He can envision how he fits in our system and how we'd use him.

I just get tired of the silly posts here where posters proclaim that a player would be stupid to go to Duke or Kansas or whatever because they don't have our track record of producing players at their position. But yes, I am wrong on Banchero because I was thinking about Lively. The point remains, lottery pick center from Duke. Mark Williams went 15th in the draft. Duke isn't having any trouble developing centers.
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Nobody said they don’t have a track record of producing pro centers. I said it’s tough to develop at duke (at any position really) if you’re a multi year player because they’re going to recruit a 5-star, maybe top 10 player at your position nearly every year. Kansas is actually quite different than duke or Kentucky in that regard.

You’re conflating some of the ridiculous claims related to flaggs recruitment with ngongbas and parlaying that into a ridiculous take on banchero—who was literally top 2 in every ranking coming into duke and played facing up putting the ball and the floor and shooting perimeter shots, and was never considered anything other than a pf.
 
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BGesus4 said:
Nobody said they don’t have a track record of producing pro centers. I said it’s tough to develop at duke (at any position really) if you’re a multi year player because they’re going to recruit a 5-star, maybe top 10 player at your position nearly every year. Kansas is actually quite different than duke or Kentucky in that regard.

You’re conflating some of the ridiculous claims related to flaggs recruitment with ngongbas and parlaying that into a ridiculous take on banchero—who was literally top 2 in every ranking coming into duke and played facing up putting the ball and the floor and shooting perimeter shots, and was never considered anything other than a pf.
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Not worth arguing about anymore. The point was a more subtle one to your much earlier post where you said the case for Ngongba coming to UConn vs other schools for development was "obvious". Simply disagreed with that, even though I think the case is strong. I wrongly mentioned Banchero instead of Lively. We both agreed the case isn't there for Flagg, who will be fine wherever (I do think his roster fit is better at UConn or KU than Duke).

Let's land this guy. On that we can all agree.
 
boog204 said:
Was there an initial joke/origin with this that I missed?
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@FriarJ said ngongba was a lock to ksu but also pc had as good a chance as anyone

Prob a bad reaction to us being arrogant and spoiled
 
businesslawyer said:
Fine. You want to hear how dumb this is? No one said it wouldn't be great to have had Flagg here for Midnight Madness. People said it was not a big deal that he visited at another time. A UConn fan saying maybe it's a good thing that Ngongba is coming here for Midnight Madness, and wouldn't it be great if that causes him to commit, is not a statement that it makes a material difference. It's hopefulness (which you seem to despise but hey, you do your schtick). It's far, far more likely that someone coming to a school for a Midnight Madness shows that they are very serious about that school to begin with then that being there for that night is going to be a key in making their decision. And, by the way, even if I thought there was a glimmer of a chance that missing a MIdnight Madness is a huge disadvantage in a normal case, it certainly wouldn't be one for someone who has the benefits of having had a parent play Division 1 hoops and being at a school the primary purpose of which is to attract and develop Division 1 athletes where you know he has an intelligent team helping him make the decision.

Are you happy now that you forced someone to slam dunk on you, rather than leaving well enough alone?
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Two handed or just one?
 
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