New Homeland Season

[intlzncster]

She ain't off the hook. She messed with the kill box.

What was with the dog walking lady. I'm thinking the way Allison put out her ciggy she was giving a signal.

Absolutely. That's why I said she should have been in solitary.

 

[progrocks]

The show is so full of holes. It has decided to try to become MI-5 (Spooks), which is not a bad thing, but it does not quite get there and that leaves it in a slightly better 24 level of television. Still light years better than Walking Dead and The Affair though

 

[mauconnfan]

Crazy stuff last night left me hanging. Saul was going in to break Allison's neck but she disappeared, doesn't look good. The journalist chick is ready to open up a monstrous can o'worms. Great great stuff

 

[intlzncster]

Crazy stuff last night left me hanging. Saul was going in to break Allison's neck but she disappeared, doesn't look good. The journalist chick is ready to open up a monstrous can o'worms. Great great stuff

I'm going to be a curmudgeon again. They just made Saul into a complete idiot. He wouldn't buy any of the stuff Allison is spewing, including the source info. At this stage, I'd think he'd trust what Carrie was saying first and foremost. They are also super lax with Allison on so many levels that it's absurd.

 

[Deadrody]

She ain't off the hook. She messed with the kill box.

Exactly. There is no explaining that away

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The bodyguard would NEVER give Allison his gun. It would have been more credible if she killed the bodyguard and shot herself with the same drop piece.

Also, Allison would not have been left alone, although given the chaos of the moment, that is less crazy than her getting the bodyguard's gun.

I am not clear on the Kill Box. Without Quinn, they don't really know that she messed with it, do they?

 

[J187Money]

The bodyguard would NEVER give Allison his gun. It would have been more credible if she killed the bodyguard and shot herself with the same drop piece. Also, Allison would not have been left alone, although given the chaos of the moment, that is less crazy than her getting the bodyguard's gun. I am not clear on the Kill Box. Without Quinn, they don't really know that she messed with it, do they?

The bodyguard said that he didn't believe that she was guilty of anything so he was on her side. That's probably why they established that in the previous episode to set this up.

I think the kill box is still open for debate. We know but they seem to have let it die.

 

[progrocks]

24 is more believable than this show. So far from reality.

 

[intlzncster]

24 is more believable than this show. So far from reality.

This season has been very good, but there's definitely been some lazy writing since Allison got discovered.

 

[Dove]

The big goof from this episode was how the ultra-slick Allisone completely f-ed up the shootout scene. Sure, she was stressed and time was whirring past but to screw up the guns and shooting angles was a huge gaffe on her part. She put the body guards gun back in front of him but shot the professor with her gun. AND shot herself with her gun?

Okay.

 

[intlzncster]

The big goof from this episode was how the ultra-slick Allisone completely f-ed up the shootout scene. Sure, she was stressed and time was whirring past but to screw up the guns and shooting angles was a huge gaffe on her part. She put the body guards gun back in front of him but shot the professor with her gun. AND shot herself with her gun?

And her prints are all over the guns. And blast spray all over her arms. Really lazy writing.

 

[Chuck]

I think some of Allison's slip ups have been realistic. She is just as smart, if not smarter, than Saul/Darr/etc. She's been two steps ahead of them for years. Now that things are unraveling she's making stuff up on the fly so she has no choice but to be sloppy. The shooting scene will be easy to figure out based upon the prints/angles/powder/etc., but it gave her the time she needed to be lifted by the Russians.

What a big leap she made to allow the terrorist attack to go through. She seemed to snap into line when they mentioned that she'd lose her $5mm. I think that's the paltry number they mentioned. She could make that much pretty quickly on private security/books/speaking, considering her intelligence position. People say that the show makes Muslims look bad and there's no question that its true (I'll leave opinions on that topic to the cesspool), but the Russians come out as bad or worse.

I assume this season is going to be a bit more like the first few. We'll have a finale, but we'll also have open end issues that will continue. I can't see how they can wrap up everything this weekend.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The big goof from this episode was how the ultra-slick Allisone completely f-ed up the shootout scene. Sure, she was stressed and time was whirring past but to screw up the guns and shooting angles was a huge gaffe on her part. She put the body guards gun back in front of him but shot the professor with her gun. AND shot herself with her gun?

Okay.

Throughout the season, Allison is more ballsy than bright. She enables the data breach by screwing with the hacker. She got trapped by the Russians, and then outs herself when the Russian SVR chief saw through the whole situation almost immediately. She isn't made out to be some genius, just lucky and fearless.

 

[Chuck]

Throughout the season, Allison is more ballsy than bright. She enables the data breach by screwing with the hacker. She got trapped by the Russians, and then outs herself when the Russian SVR chief saw through the whole situation almost immediately. She isn't made out to be some genius, just lucky and fearless.

I said I thought she was as smart, if not smarter, than her superiors. I think you're right though. She's clearly smart (to have gotten to where she was originally and use her Russian information adequately), but I think you are right that a big part of her not getting caught sooner was some luck. She was in a position of trust and therefore the microscope wasn't on her.

I'd add agreeing to meet the Iraqi in the Caribbean with the money was further proof. She was clearly going to steal the money and jumped on the opportunity, but that was a rookie move.

 

[intlzncster]

I think some of Allison's slip ups have been realistic. She is just as smart, if not smarter, than Saul/Darr/etc. She's been two steps ahead of them for years. Now that things are unraveling she's making stuff up on the fly so she has no choice but to be sloppy. The shooting scene will be easy to figure out based upon the prints/angles/powder/etc., but it gave her the time she needed to be lifted by the Russians.

Throughout the season, Allison is more ballsy than bright. She enables the data breach by screwing with the hacker. She got trapped by the Russians, and then outs herself when the Russian SVR chief saw through the whole situation almost immediately. She isn't made out to be some genius, just lucky and fearless.

I think nelson is right, while clearly very intelligent, she's been more ballsy than bright. Remember, this is an operative who got completely duped by the Russians early in her career, which lead to the blackmail.

She's been two steps ahead because Saul and Dara's guards were completely down regarding her allegiance. They had no reason to suspect, as she, due to completely neat and well packaged Russian intelligence, was performing exemplarily in her role. The Russians effectively performed her role FOR her. She was a pawn.

 

[progrocks]

The second she was found out she would be in a hole in Virginia, not still working. Everything after is all convenience for story.

 

[SAMCRO]

So..... thoughts?
Decent finale, good, not great.
I wish Allison and Carrie had a final meeting.
Poor Saul. He is a SOB, a really good one too.. He had a tough finale learning what he learned.
Quinn, WTF (not surprised tho).

I know they are doing a season 6, but no clue where it will be based (if I had to guess, I'd say back in the States - DC or NYC).

 

[intlzncster]

So..... thoughts? Decent finale, good, not great.
I wish Allison and Carrie had a final meeting.
Poor Saul. He is a SOB, a really good one too.. He had a tough finale learning what he learned.
Quinn, WTF (not surprised tho).

I know they are doing a season 6, but no clue where it will be based (if I had to guess, I'd say back in the States - DC or NYC).

Honestly, pretty underwhelming for me. There was very little drama in my mind, and the whole episode felt like an epilogue, not a finale.

The attack being thwarted was no surprise, nor the outcome of it. Was happy to see the renegade reporter get her comeuppance. Normally, I'm on the side of truth, anti-govt 'oppression', rebel types, but with the way she acted towards potential collateral damage didn't fly w me. Inflaming situations and getting people killed in the name of truth is crap. Feel really bad for her Newman though. He just got dumped on throughout the season.

Had a feeling that was it for Quinn, and I for one, am disappointed, as he was my favorite character. But after watching the Sarin's effect on his body, I thought "no way he comes back from that". And it would have been BS if he did. I do think it was interesting that Carrie and Saul potentially killed him off by waking him up. But they didn't explore that line of thinking enough for my taste.

And how about the BS chutzpah of Allison at the Russian hideout? Acting all aghast at the sex trafficking: who did you think you were working for you knob head?? And threatening the Dr with not working again, when she is in the most impotent position imaginable. Sheer ery.

And the biggest let down was how they dealt with her. Always better to get a comeuppance face to face so that you can see the shame and horror in her face, as she realizes she'll be prosecuted for treason and spend the rest of her life in a super max. Killing her off without her even being aware of the end was super weak. No sense of justice there.

Thought Otto Düring's move was interesting in the context that he totally Carrie with Jonus so he could move in on Jonus' territory. Odd contrast of the measured character he displayed in most of the season. He's an interesting character.

 

[G0UCONN]

Really enjoyed last week but finale was a mess.

Carrie saves the day in the subway five minutes into the show and then a whole lotta nothing until they killed Allison. With alot of goofy going on....halfassed marriage proposal...Carrie turns Saul down on return to CIA.....does Carrie kill Quinn at end....weak.

Will miss Quinn.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Otto's marriage proposal made me want to punch myself in the face. Homeland is usually better about hiding its shark jumping. Otherwise it was a great season.

 

[Chuck]

That's two season in a row where they ended with more of a wrap up, then finale. I didn't like the Pakistan season, so I was angry that they wasted an hour of my time. I like this year's season and I was okay with a slow-paced wrap up.

Allison: This is the only piece that I thought didn't make much sense. As mad as Saul was, it doesn't even seem arguable that she should have been killed. She could have corroborated Ivan's information and shared weaknesses that allowed her to get away with her double agency. If anything, I'm surprised it wasn't the Russians that killed her.

Quinn: I'm not happy with his apparent departure, but it was probably time. His type of profession can't have a long life expectancy, and post-CarriePakistan rejection he want real dark. In fact, until coming back to humanity a bit when Carrie showed up in the kill box, he wasn't a particular likable or sympathetic character. He was basically a robotic assassin. Great to have on our side, but not someone to root for. For example, did they explain how the one woman he killed in the hijab knew him? He didn't even hesitate in killing her. Speaking of the kill-box, was that infiltration really the best way to kill Carrie? I guess they wanted it to look like terrorists or the CIA, but couldn't the Russians have taken out Carrie a lot easier?

Otto: I think they could've played with that character a bit more, and maybe they will in the future. In the end, it seems like he was everything he held himself out as. Because you always assume the worst in this show, I think they did that a bit on purpose. Is he really helping terrorists? Is this all some economic game? Turns out he's just a really rich guy that wants to make up for the sins of his relatives. I didn't hate the Carrie proposal that much. With Jonus, Otto is just a rich guy c!@k blocking.

Jonus: That guy wins the show. He knew Carrie had a past, but that doesn't mean you want to see it. Seeing / hearing about the stuff that she has done and did is pretty eye opening. There's no way she can say it won't happen anymore. Chances are that he and/or his family would be dead in a future Homeland season. He's going to be just fine moving on.

Saul/Dar: Time to get some new blood in charge. They still have a place, but the game is passing them by.

Dar: I like that he didn't try to befriend Carrie. They had a moment re Quinn. Dar is proud that he pulled Quinn in early and turned him into a killer, and he hates Carrie for being erratic and softening Quinn and Saul. They had their moment re a common love and then move on. Speaking of, Dar mentioned that Carrie was Quinn's beneficiary. He gave her the letter, but my guess is Quinn has a crap load of money somewhere. Doesn't he have an ex-wife (that continued to look out for him when Carrie was probing) and a kid?

 

[mauconnfan]

The fact they blasted the Mercedes with Allison in the trunk was ok but thought it would be better if she heard the commotion outside the car not knowing what was transpiring. Then when the trunk opened she saw Saul first, all this while our gunmen had their guns on the Russians in the car. Then when Saul looked at her, shakes his head and says "Goodbye Allison you" and slams the trunk with the go ahead to gun down everyone in the car cold blood while walking away.

 

[Rocktheworld]

The fact they blasted the Mercedes with Allison in the trunk was ok but thought it would be better if she heard the commotion outside the car not knowing what was transpiring. Then when the trunk opened she saw Saul first, all this while our gunmen had their guns on the Russians in the car. Then when Saul looked at her, shakes his head and says "Goodbye Allison you " and slams the trunk with the go ahead to gun down everyone in the car cold blood while walking away.

So you prefer cliches then

 

[Dove]

It was a clean, tidy wrap up. Not the best. I did the like the way the journalist was handled. This season was the best but it was more cerebral than action. So the finale was not going to bring fireworks. Worst scene was Carrie begging Jonus to take her back.

But the cliff hanger being will Carrie choose Saul or Otto? I am not waiting anxiously to find out.

Shameless is just 2 weeks away!!!

 

[Deadrody]

And the biggest let down was how they dealt with her. Always better to get a comeuppance face to face so that you can see the shame and horror in her face, as she realizes she'll be prosecuted for treason and spend the rest of her life in a super max. Killing her off without her even being aware of the end was super weak. No sense of justice there..

Very weird overall. Doesn't she have enough intelligence they can extract to make her valuable enough to TRY and take her alive ? I mean this is top of the line German and US intelligence and they take her out with movie mafia gunfire overkill ? Why ? Very ill conceived. If they had to end it like that, they could have at least made them force their hand.

 

[sportsart]

Very weird overall. Doesn't she have enough intelligence they can extract to make her valuable enough to TRY and take her alive ? I mean this is top of the line German and US intelligence and they take her out with movie mafia gunfire overkill ? Why ? Very ill conceived. If they had to end it like that, they could have at least made them force their hand.

I prayed for an ugly death for her (well, not really prayed). There was no way they wanted her alive to reveal how she played the American intelligence agencies. They shoulda reloaded and blasted her again.

 

[intlzncster]

I prayed for an ugly death for her (well, not really prayed). There was no way they wanted her alive to reveal how she played the American intelligence agencies. They shoulda reloaded and blasted her again.

But that wasn't even an ugly death. That was clean as could be. She didn't even know she was dead. No realization of, "oh, I'm duckcked". That's what everyone's watching for.

I agree with deadrody on this one. They should have kept her alive buried in a super max facility.

 

[microfich]

While I liked the situation and selection of characters in Germany, this season was the worst. Horribly amateurish writing in most episodes. Cliched direction. There were exceptions but most episodes were like watching any NBC drama. I used to watch totally transfixed, trying to figure out motives and plausible fall out. There was mystery, collusion, thrill, character development. This season was all here-it-is-in-your-face with countless holes. How they turned brilliant and conniving Saul into an unbelievable pathetic mess re: Allison. What, he never had women in his other assignments? Never doing a gun powder test on Allison? Please. Please reboot.

 

[August_West]

While I liked the situation and selection of characters in Germany, this season was the worst. Horribly amateurish writing in most episodes. Cliched direction. There were exceptions but most episodes were like watching any NBC drama. I used to watch totally transfixed, trying to figure out motives and plausible fall out. There was mystery, collusion, thrill, character development. This season was all here-it-is-in-your-face with countless holes. How they turned brilliant and conniving Saul into an unbelievable pathetic mess re: Allison. What, he never had women in his other assignments? Never doing a gun powder test on Allison? Please. Please reboot.

The season started out so good. Like as good as any, and totally limped to the finish.pretty bad