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[Psolo12]

Unfortunately I don't think he can guard a 5 in the NBA either.

Had no problem with Kessler.

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

So what happens if we end up with 16+ scholarship guys for next year, for whatever reason be it injuries/setbacks or the covid eligibility guys returning or everyone being happy and not wanting to transfer? I’ve never been one to force guys out of the program, but would it just be a matter of Hurley sitting down with guys and being honest that they won’t see the court?

 

[BlueMAB]

Had no problem with Kessler.

Kessler had 14 and 10 (5-8 from 2pt range). I wouldn't call that "no problem".
Kalkbrenner put 22 and 10 (10-13 from 2pt) on him last time we met. He was a major problem.

He's (at best) 6'9" and has yet to show even an average vertical despite being very fluid and having great footwork. I love the guy as a UConn player, I'm skeptical it will translate to the NBA without him learning how to be as effective 15-20 feet from the hoop as he is 0-5 feet from the hoop, and he's just too short to defend NBA 5s IMO.
He works his *** off, so he definitely has a chance, but it's an uphill climb.

 

[Psolo12]

Kessler had 14 and 10 (5-8 from 2pt range). I wouldn't call that "no problem".
Kalkbrenner put 22 and 10 (10-13 from 2pt) on him last time we met. He was a major problem.

He's (at best) 6'9" and has yet to show even an average vertical despite being very fluid and having great footwork. I love the guy as a UConn player, I'm skeptical it will translate to the NBA without him learning how to be as effective 15-20 feet from the hoop as he is 0-5 feet from the hoop, and he's just too short to defend NBA 5s IMO.
He works his *** off, so he definitely has a chance, but it's an uphill climb.

Kessler had 14-10 in a game that went into 2OT. Sanogo dominated him all game. Kalkbrenner was a really bad matchup but again not many centers in the NBA that are 7'2 that he'll have to deal with.

 

[BlueMAB]

Kessler had 14-10 in a game that went into 2OT. Sanogo dominated him all game. Kalkbrenner was a really bad matchup but again not many centers in the NBA that are 7'2 that he'll have to deal with.

He only had 8 shots from 2 and made 5. He had a double/double and was effective when they gave him the ball. Your comment was just flat out wrong. He was a problem, they should have used him more.

Sanogo dominated him all game. Kalkbrenner was a really bad matchup

He had a great offensive game against Kessler. Last time against Kalkbrenner he shot 6-16.

not many centers in the NBA that are 7'2 that he'll have to deal with.

They don't need to be 7' to give him problems, they only need to be taller and/or better leapers.

There are at least 17-18 7' players. That's over half the teams. I wouldn't define "not many" as "more than half".

He has struggled against guys taller than him in the paint, they just shoot right over him because he doesn't have much explosiveness when jumping. I'd love to see him in the league, but it's going to be very tough for him.

 

[REB1094]

The NBA is very different than college. Sanogo has no shot of being a first round pick unless he’s consistently hitting threes and/or guarding guys on the perimeter.

Timme and Tshiebwe were projected second round picks. Cockburn went undrafted and landed an Exhibit-10 contract. Walker Kessler was #21 after national DPOY (and he’s 7’1)

I’m rooting for Sanogo as much as anybody here, but realistically his game isn’t suited for the NBA as it is. 6’9 low post bully ball is not a thing in the league. If he has a reliable jumper this year and performs like a BE POY, I think he could be a second round pick. Not due to lack of talent, but lack of fit. He’d be an NBA PF

 

[navery12]

The NBA is very different than college. Sanogo has no shot of being a first round pick unless he’s consistently hitting threes and/or guarding guys on the perimeter.

Timme and Tshiebwe were projected second round picks. Cockburn went undrafted and landed an Exhibit-10 contract. Walker Kessler was #21 after national DPOY (and he’s 7’1)

I’m rooting for Sanogo as much as anybody here, but realistically his game isn’t suited for the NBA as it is. 6’9 low post bully ball is not a thing in the league. If he has a reliable jumper this year and performs like a BE POY, I think he could be a second round pick. Not due to lack of talent, but lack of fit. He’d be an NBA PF

And Kessler also took 1.5 3's a game last year which is a big part of why he was drafted so high. Granted he only shot 20% but he at least showed glimpses he had that range

 

[Huskyforlife]

The NBA is very different than college. Sanogo has no shot of being a first round pick unless he’s consistently hitting threes and/or guarding guys on the perimeter.

Timme and Tshiebwe were projected second round picks. Cockburn went undrafted and landed an Exhibit-10 contract. Walker Kessler was #21 after national DPOY (and he’s 7’1)

I’m rooting for Sanogo as much as anybody here, but realistically his game isn’t suited for the NBA as it is. 6’9 low post bully ball is not a thing in the league. If he has a reliable jumper this year and performs like a BE POY, I think he could be a second round pick. Not due to lack of talent, but lack of fit. He’d be an NBA PF

I had Kessler way higher on my personal big board, it really shows you how far the NBA is from traditional centers.

 

[Psolo12]

He only had 8 shots from 2 and made 5. He had a double/double and was effective when they gave him the ball. Your comment was just flat out wrong. He was a problem, they should have used him more.


He had a great offensive game against Kessler. Last time against Kalkbrenner he shot 6-16.



They don't need to be 7' to give him problems, they only need to be taller and/or better leapers.

There are at least 17-18 7' players. That's over half the teams. I wouldn't define "not many" as "more than half".

He has struggled against guys taller than him in the paint, they just shoot right over him because he doesn't have much explosiveness when jumping. I'd love to see him in the league, but it's going to be very tough for him.

My comment was absolutely not flat out wrong, I recently re-watched the game. You're cherry picking stats with no context. Sanogo pushed Kessler out of the paint with ease whenever he was in the game. Not all of those 2's were made when Sanogo was in the game/guarding Kessler.

Agreed that Sanogo has had issues when there is a large size/athleticism discrepancy and I'm not saying his game is suited or ideal for the NBA.

However, your initial comment simply stating he wouldn't be able to guard a 5 in the NBA is disingenuous as he has had success guarding high level college 5's (evidenced by Kessler and Watson). Would obviously have to take a big step on the defensive end but it is by no means impossible.

His value becomes even higher with guys like PJ Tucker/Grant Williams being utilized as NBA 5's in smaller lineups.

 

[BGesus4]

Bottom line is all this speaks to the fact we should be focusing on getting him paid on THIS level next year

 

[BlueMAB]

My comment was absolutely not flat out wrong, I recently re-watched the game. You're cherry picking stats with no context. Sanogo pushed Kessler out of the paint with ease whenever he was in the game. Not all of those 2's were made when Sanogo was in the game/guarding Kessler.

Agreed that Sanogo has had issues when there is a large size/athleticism discrepancy and I'm not saying his game is suited or ideal for the NBA.

However, your initial comment simply stating he wouldn't be able to guard a 5 in the NBA is disingenuous as he has had success guarding high level college 5's (evidenced by Kessler and Watson). Would obviously have to take a big step on the defensive end but it is by no means impossible.

His value becomes even higher with guys like PJ Tucker/Grant Williams being utilized as NBA 5's in smaller lineups.

And you're focusing on offense when my comment was related to defense.

I also never said it was impossible.

His game isn't suited for the NBA, and he hasn't shown the explosiveness needed to get by as an undersized anything in the NBA offensively or defensively.

I don't see how a 6'8" low post player is effective against the likes of Gobert, Porzingis, Embiid, Boban, etc.

But you do you.

 

[BlueMAB]

PJ Tucker and Grant Williams, GREAT comparisons.

2 guys that are shooting over 35% from NBA 3pt range for their career and who both shot over 40% from 3 last year. Obviously they bring a similar skill set as a guy who is shooting 0% from 3PT for his career.

 

[Punkbo]

Bottom line is all this speaks to the fact we should be focusing on getting him paid on THIS level next year

Might be true, but that’s a very sad commentary on today’s “college” basketball.

 

[BlueMAB]

Might be true, but that’s a very sad commentary on today’s “college” basketball.

Yes, literally everyone involved should get paid except for the guys on the court that we all pay to watch.

 

[Punkbo]

Yes, literally everyone involved should get paid except for the guys on the court that we all pay to watch.

Sorry. I played Division 1 baseball between funnels and bong hits because I actually had a genuine love for the sport and the camaraderie. I realize that my sport didn’t generate today’s football and basketball dollars, but I had a helluva time doing it. I must be from a different generation.

 

[BGesus4]

Sorry. I played Division 1 baseball between funnels and bong hits because I actually had a genuine love for the sport and the camaraderie. I realize that my sport didn’t generate today’s football and basketball dollars, but I had a helluva time doing it. I must be from a different generation.

I like what I do for work. That means I shouldn’t make money off of it?

Imagine what the reaction would be if this board found out one of our starters was just playing “between funnels and hits”. Ppl would want Hurley fired for culture problems and would be threatening to not renew season tickets. We’re not taking the same sport and I don’t mean baseball vs basketball.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Sorry. I played Division 1 baseball between funnels and bong hits because I actually had a genuine love for the sport and the camaraderie. I realize that my sport didn’t generate today’s football and basketball dollars, but I had a helluva time doing it. I must be from a different generation.

Now imagine a booster was willing to pay for your bong hits.

 

[Punkbo]

Now imagine a booster was willing to pay for your bong hits.

Sold! Sign me up!

 

[BlueMAB]

Sorry. I played Division 1 baseball between funnels and bong hits because I actually had a genuine love for the sport and the camaraderie. I realize that my sport didn’t generate today’s football and basketball dollars, but I had a helluva time doing it. I must be from a different generation.

Please just stop.

The young men and women can go to school, genuinely love the sport and camaraderie, have fun, and still have the right to earn money off their own name, image, and likeness. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.

We’re talking about helping kids STAY in college because they can still earn some money. This is a good thing for everyone involved.

 

[Chantry1101]

I like what I do for work. That means I shouldn’t make money off of it?

Imagine what the reaction would be if this board found out one of our starters was just playing “between funnels and hits”. Ppl would want Hurley fired for culture problems and would be threatening to not renew season tickets. We’re not taking the same sport and I don’t mean baseball vs basketball.

Nobody would care if they're good enough, ask anyone who went to school with Cliff Robinson.

 

[nadavtheman]

So what happens if we end up with 16+ scholarship guys for next year, for whatever reason be it injuries/setbacks or the covid eligibility guys returning or everyone being happy and not wanting to transfer? I’ve never been one to force guys out of the program, but would it just be a matter of Hurley sitting down with guys and being honest that they won’t see the court?

yes, these conversations occur often at this level even when not over scholarship limit

 

[Get a Job]

yes, these conversations occur often at this level even when not over scholarship limit

I'm not disagreeing with your point (that these conversations happen on most teams most years), but this is kind of a high stakes scenario. If, hypothetically, everyone who has eligibility left plus the 5 freshman want to play next year, the staff literally has to pick four of them and tell them there is no room for them on the team. This is a little different from the usual scenario, where they are simply telling players there are no minutes available for them.

One would think that the staff has pretty high confidence that at least 4 eligible guys won't want to return. I speculate that 2 of those guys are Alleyne and Newton. To bank on two other guys having a good enough season to go pro seems risky to me, though. Maybe they are confident a guy or 2 at the end of the bench will transfer?

 

[superjohn]

I'm not disagreeing with your point (that these conversations happen on most teams most years), but this is kind of a high stakes scenario. If, hypothetically, everyone who has eligibility left plus the 5 freshman want to play next year, the staff literally has to pick four of them and tell them there is no room for them on the team. This is a little different from the usual scenario, where they are simply telling players there are no minutes available for them.

One would think that the staff has pretty high confidence that at least 4 eligible guys won't want to return. I speculate that 2 of those guys are Alleyne and Newton. To bank on two other guys having a good enough season to go pro seems risky to me, though. Maybe they are confident a guy or 2 at the end of the bench will transfer?

There's zero risk at all.

 

[JohnFSilver]

I'm not disagreeing with your point (that these conversations happen on most teams most years), but this is kind of a high stakes scenario. If, hypothetically, everyone who has eligibility left plus the 5 freshman want to play next year, the staff literally has to pick four of them and tell them there is no room for them on the team. This is a little different from the usual scenario, where they are simply telling players there are no minutes available for them.

One would think that the staff has pretty high confidence that at least 4 eligible guys won't want to return. I speculate that 2 of those guys are Alleyne and Newton. To bank on two other guys having a good enough season to go pro seems risky to me, though. Maybe they are confident a guy or 2 at the end of the bench will transfer?

 

[Get a Job]

There's zero risk at all.

Please elaborate.

 

[navery12]

Please elaborate.

For you and me sitting here on the outside, having 15-17 scholarship guys next year might seem really risky if guys come back. Especially when we have no control over them and can't talk to the players. Dan Hurley is not us, when he's recruiting a replacement for Jordan Hawkins or Adama Sanogo it's because he's aware of their intentions and is talking to them daily

 

[Get a Job]

For you and me sitting here on the outside, having 15-17 scholarship guys next year might seem really risky if guys come back. Especially when we have no control over them and can't talk to the players. Dan Hurley is not us, when he's recruiting a replacement for Jordan Hawkins or Adama Sanogo it's because he's aware of their intentions and is talking to them daily

I get all that, but there's still a potential for a sicky stituation, assuming the staff is counting on some of the guys going pro. Any number of scenarios could result in a player wanting to stay another year, even if he was totally sure he was going to go pro before the season started. The player could get injured. He could underperform and find that his pro opportunities aren't what he expected. Things like that.

All I'm saying is that there is a possibility of the staff finding themselves in a situation where they have to tell one or more people who are expecting a scholarship that there is not one available for them.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I get all that, but there's still a potential for a sicky stituation, assuming the staff is counting on some of the guys going pro. Any number of scenarios could result in a player wanting to stay another year, even if he was totally sure he was going to go pro before the season started. The player could get injured. He could underperform and find that his pro opportunities aren't what he expected. Things like that.

All I'm saying is that there is a possibility of the staff finding themselves in a situation where they have to tell one or more people who are expecting a scholarship that there is not one available for them.

It's possible. But I am fairly sure Adama is gone. They are talking about him taking 3s for a reason. That's red meat for the NBA. Hawkins might not blow up, but they pretty much knew Bouknight would and they were right. Newton may want to go pro, even if it isn't a shot at the NBA. Neither he nor Alleyne would be eligible but for the dumb Covid 5th year. Springs has gutted it out for quite some time, but if he doesn't crack the rotation, he might well move on to a place where he can play.

It will work out.

 

[navery12]

I get all that, but there's still a potential for a sicky stituation, assuming the staff is counting on some of the guys going pro. Any number of scenarios could result in a player wanting to stay another year, even if he was totally sure he was going to go pro before the season started. The player could get injured. He could underperform and find that his pro opportunities aren't what he expected. Things like that.

All I'm saying is that there is a possibility of the staff finding themselves in a situation where they have to tell one or more people who are expecting a scholarship that there is not one available for them.

I get that, I just wouldn't consider that as high risk like you classify it. It's far more likely we're still filling open spots with transfers in the spring than forcing guys off the roster

 

[UCOnions]

It's possible. But I am fairly sure Adama is gone. They are talking about him taking 3s for a reason. That's red meat for the NBA. Hawkins might not blow up, but they pretty much knew Bouknight would and they were right. Newton may want to go pro, even if it isn't a shot at the NBA. Neither he nor Alleyne would be eligible but for the dumb Covid 5th year. Springs has gutted it out for quite some time, but if he doesn't crack the rotation, he might well move on to a place where he can play.

It will work out.

Last year, I tried to say that Sanogo would translate better in the NBA as a power forward, and got lambasted for it saying he would never be able to play at PF. I just don't understand the mentality of some fans on here who think a kid cannot develop his game, it's so close minded. So, imo, he would really need to work on his shooting from outside and passing. It would benefit Adama greatly to stay his senior year and get a solid year under his belt playing at the 4 with big DC playing at the 5.