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MDHuskFan said:
Martin is a comparable shooter to Polley, as Polley is a comparable rebounder to Martin
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Considering Marin averaged 7.5 rebounds and Polley averaged 2 rebounds your argument is completely unpersuasive. Especially since Martin actually had a higher overall field goal % than Polley by a considerable margin.
 
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Martin as a 6th man that anchors the second unit intrigues me. Don’t know how thrilled he’d be about that role but Hurley could convince him it’s best for the team. In this scenario:

Starters: Cole, Hawkins, Polley, Sanogo, Whaley

Don’t think this will happen but I’d like to see it.

I’d say the most likely starting lineup in November is Cole, Gaff, Martin, Sanogo, Whaley.
 
Huskybass said:
Considering Marin averaged 7.5 rebounds and Polley averaged 2 rebounds your argument is completely unpersuasive. Especially since Martin actually had a higher overall field goal % than Polley by a considerable margin.
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Looking at just FG% doesn't tell much of a story at all. TS% and EFG% are going to give you a better indicator of offensive value than just FG%... Tyler took 72% of his shots from 3 compared to Tyrese's 26%. Of course his shooting % is going to be lower. Steph Curry's career FG% is only 47% because he takes so many 3s, but his EFG% and TS% for his career are 58% and 63%... elite. Tyler is not nearly the shooter or finisher, but the same effect is at play.

EFG%
Tyler: 49%
Rese: 48%

TS%
Tyler: 52%
Rese: 51%

We're basically talking about the same % here when it comes down to it. And this was an off-year for Tyler, whereas Rese was shooting about his career average.

But Tyler provides WAY WAY WAY more spacing at this point in his career--that makes the whole team better. The reality is that Tyler may not be the best offensive player on our team, and he is not as complete a player as Rese on offense, but his stats look really good because he can shoot the rock (a skill we severely lack), and provides spacing for everyone else to operate. Shooting is so important that Tyrese being better at essentially every other offensive skill doesn't mitigate Tyler's shooting advantage.

I'm sure @UConnStats could go on for days about this.
 
husky429 said:
Looking at just FG% doesn't tell much of a story at all. TS% and EFG% are going to give you a better indicator of offensive value than just FG%... Tyler took 72% of his shots from 3 compared to Tyrese's 26%. Of course his shooting % is going to be lower. Steph Curry's career FG% is only 47% because he takes so many 3s, but his EFG% and TS% for his career are 58% and 63%... elite. Tyler is not nearly the shooter or finisher, but the same effect is at play.

EFG%
Tyler: 49%
Rese: 48%

TS%
Tyler: 52%
Rese: 51%

We're basically talking about the same % here when it comes down to it. And this was an off-year for Tyler, whereas Rese was shooting about his career average.

But Tyler provides WAY WAY WAY more spacing at this point in his career--that makes the whole team better. The reality is that Tyler may not be the best offensive player on our team, and he is not as complete a player as Rese on offense, but his stats look really good because he can shoot the rock (a skill we severely lack), and provides spacing for everyone else to operate. Shooting is so important that Tyrese being better at essentially every other offensive skill doesn't mitigate Tyler's shooting advantage.

I'm sure @UConnStats could go on for days about this.
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I started typing out a reply with these same stats this afternoon when the conversation started and then deleted it. Decided it was useless because if people can't see the difference between Polley and Martin as shooters no stat is ever going to convince them. That should be obvious to anyone who's watched 30 seconds of basketball
 
Akok is quite possibly the best combination of talent and athleticism on this roster.

I love Akok and hope he returns better than 100%. Pre injury the athleticism was there
Most likely not at that level now and he never was near the most talented basketball player on the squad
Hawkins will be both - hands down
 
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navery12 said:
I started typing out a reply with these same stats this afternoon when the conversation started and then deleted it. Decided it was useless because if people can't see the difference between Polley and Martin as shooters no stat is ever going to convince them. That should be obvious to anyone who's watched 30 seconds of basketball
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When one guy averages 7.5 rebounds and the other one averages 2 rebounds, you can't just limit your analysis to shooting. Tyrese contributes in lots of ways, and he is a great rebounder for his size. He just may surprise some of you next season. Plus he is all heart.
 
Huskybass said:
When one guy averages 7.5 rebounds and the other one averages 2 rebounds, you can't just limit your analysis to shooting. Tyrese contributes in lots of ways, and he is a great rebounder for his size. He just may surprise some of you next season. Plus he is all heart.
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But that's not the discussion, the discussion is who's a better shooter. Martin is a better all around player and one of the most important players that can raise the ceiling of this team next year. That doesn't make him a better shooter because he had a slightly higher FG%
 
Huskybass said:
When one guy averages 7.5 rebounds and the other one averages 2 rebounds, you can't just limit your analysis to shooting. Tyrese contributes in lots of ways, and he is a great rebounder for his size. He just may surprise some of you next season. Plus he is all heart.
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You're changing the goalpost in the middle of the game. The question was not who is a better rebounder. Or even who is a better player. The topic was shooting--and Tyler is an objectively much better shooter.
 
Questions abound as we head into first week in June. Will enjoy hearing early observations on our new freshmen and about how AA looks/feels re: his ongoing rehab from injury.

I believe Dan Hurley has more tools in the toolkit than his previous rosters and see this roster as capable of being a Top 25 team for
the majority of the year. We have speed/depth/athleticism/commitment to defense-rebounding.

As mentioned by many.. How do we score/who does the scoring? Eye ball test/IMO.. JHawk will be an early contributor on offense/Sool will be efficient in the PT he earns as a distributor-playmaker/AS-IW will average close to double-doubles/Polley is the microwave shooter/Tyrese-junkyard dog on D and the boards.

Wildcards. AA's health and return to form/Jackson's evolution over the summer/emergence of Samson during second half of season where he's demanding minutes.

Too early to predict but looking forward to a productive and healthy summer for the guys and can't wait for this team to start using its depth to kick off the season.

In the meantime.. Let's introduce some of our June visitors to the campus and the Dairy Bar.

Edit: RJ builds on last season' with solid contributions and a three ball threat.. Would like to see Gaff be more off the ball and work on his stroke..Leave playmaking to RJ/Sool.
 
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My guess is gaffney starts and Jackson is the point guard so to speak of the second unit to start the year.
I think the polley martin debate is a good one where it comes down to head vs heart for hurley. I think he just loves guys like Martin and all they bring to the table and polley will really have to look lights out to take it from him. If pace of play actually picks up as hurley has mentioned there are plenty of minutes to go around for a team picking up full court and pushing the pace offensively.
 
Jbirdp5 said:
My guess is gaffney starts and Jackson is the point guard so to speak of the second unit to start the year.
I think the polley martin debate is a good one where it comes down to head vs heart for hurley. I think he just loves guys like Martin and all they bring to the table and polley will really have to look lights out to take it from him. If pace of play actually picks up as hurley has mentioned there are plenty of minutes to go around for a team picking up full court and pushing the pace offensively.
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I don't see a world where Jackson doesn't start. Our team's performance is so contingent on his success.
 
Psolo12 said:
I don't see a world where Jackson doesn't start. Our team's performance is so contingent on his success.
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If he doesn't shoot it better or find a mid range game I can't see where he does start. As good of an athlete as he is as well as a passer he's only good if he can find something that scares the opposition when he has the ball. For now they will guard him from a distance to assure he doesn't get to the basket and our offense will need better than that I'm afraid. That was noticeable for Bouk too the clogging from not having enough scorers or shooters on the floor.

Think they begin the season Cole-Hawkins-Martin-Whaley-Sanogo unless there was a major improvement with players.
 
Jackson is not a point guard, does not have the handle or shot for it. Wonder where his shot will be in November because if he can make midrange 15-18 footers it would be great. He should forget about the 3 and put the ball on the floor.
 
Psolo12 said:
I don't see a world where Jackson doesn't start. Our team's performance is so contingent on his success.
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So you think he’s starting at the 2 or 3? Alongside gaff and Cole? Instead of gaff? It’s obviously very early to say definitively with all the combinations but I don’t think we start only 2 shooters.
 
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TheChamps990411 said:
I fully expect this to be the starting lineup game 1. By January we could see a lineup of Cole/Hawkins/Martin/Akok/Sanogo
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I see this but Jackson over Martin, Whaley over Akok.

If Akok starts at any point this year over a player like Whaley who contributes so much to winning, it’ll either be the greatest indication of growth & health by Akok, or an unfortunate poor showing by our likely team captain & 5th year Sr.
 
Half serious comment on Martin.. If he could get more explosion/lift after collecting an offensive rebound.. And simply dunk in traffic--It would do wonders for him/his confidence. Saw him dunking in transition but rarely around the hoop and in traffic. Works hard on the boards for his size but seemed like he didn't have "live" legs on his short range misses.
 
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I look forward to seeing these guys develop. They have a chance to do special things.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Polley is a poor ball handler and Martin can function as a guard. Martin shot 44% overall last year. Polley shot 41%. Polley is better from 3pt range of course. But can't create his own shot, and has shown minimal ability to drive to the rim. The difference in D and rebounding is bigger than the shooting difference in my opinion. But we will see how it plays out.
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Such an odd situation. Part of me just hopes the 5th year guys don't get in the way. Of the 3, Whaley by a mile.
 
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MDHuskFan said:
Martin is a comparable shooter to Polley, as Polley is a comparable rebounder to Martin
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Comparable like a dollar and a nickel, right?
 
WideRight! said:
Good Saturday watch
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There are people who were saying Polley is a comparable ball handler to Martin. That’s just absolutely nuts.
 
navery12 said:
But that's not the discussion, the discussion is who's a better shooter. Martin is a better all around player and one of the most important players that can raise the ceiling of this team next year. That doesn't make him a better shooter because he had a slightly higher FG%
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I would never argue that Martin is the Shooter that Polley is or perhaps can be. I think if Polley properly utilizes his talents and works hard he can become a truly elite shooter. That said, I was responding to a comment that mentioned both shooting and rebounding.
 
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