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intlzncster said:
He won two Super Bowls as Defensive Coordinator of the Giant's. Sh1tty resume I guess.
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Oh ya let's not forget the 5 seasons as HC in Cleveland where he went something like 32-48

And his first year at NE where I think he won 4 games......the next year Pats were 0-2, then the emergence of Tom Terrific, the Tuck rule...and the rest is history folks.

So before people start reporting Pop Warner wins....let's look at the facts of his success which could have only been had due to the emergence Mr.Brady

And I wasn't even going to bring up "spygate" but It deserves to be mentioned :)
 
Way to avoid the point that the NFL didn't change the tuck rule when they could have.

In Cleveland, like New England, BB inherited a bad roster. he improved each year, got to the divisional round of the playoffs and then the rug was pulled out from under him by the announced move to Baltimore. Plus, you discount that people can learn from their mistakes and get better over time. Read any of the books written about BB and he acknowledges he messed up a lot in Cleveland and that experience helped to shape him when he went to New England.

his first year in NE his team was in cap hell and his second team had one of the largest roster turnovers in NFL history.

By the way, if it was all Brady, how did he go 11-5 with Matt Cassel starting for the first time since high school?

And if you are bringing up spygate, then, on the original premise if this thread, don't we hold JC's recent transgressions against him?
 
dsturdy5 said:
Way to avoid the point that the NFL didn't change the tuck rule when they could have.

In Cleveland, like New England, BB inherited a bad roster. he improved each year, got to the divisional round of the playoffs and then the rug was pulled out from under him by the announced move to Baltimore. Plus, you discount that people can learn from their mistakes and get better over time. Read any of the books written about BB and he acknowledges he messed up a lot in Cleveland and that experience helped to shape him when he went to New England.

his first year in NE his team was in cap hell and his second team had one of the largest roster turnovers in NFL history.

By the way, if it was all Brady, how did he go 11-5 with Matt Cassel starting for the first time since high school?

And if you are bringing up spygate, then, on the original premise if this thread, don't we hold JC's recent transgressions against him?
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I wasn't avoiding the tuck rule, I and everyone else knows it's a horrible call. Any unbiased individual would tell you that was a fumble when CWood sacked Brady. Yes the tuck rule is a rule and that can't be disputed, but as a fan of the game I grew to love, It's a horrible rule and shouldn't exist (yes I'd say the same thing if it was the Pats who were robbed)

As far as Bilichek, your hilarious BB was horrible I Cleavland if the fans could have personally dragged him outta town they would have. The rug got pulled out from under him with the Bmore move, lol. I think it had been pulled already by the double digit loses year after year.

Geez for such a legendary coach, you sure are making many excuses for him....let's see what do we have so far?

1. He was rattled emotionally by Cleavland moving to Bmore, therefore, he couldn't coach effectively
2. He's made a lot of mistakes but has learned so much from them (umm weak, isn't that what your suppose to do)
3. Cap Hell 1st yr in NE
4. Roster turnovers harmed the team the 2nd yr
Is there anything else?

And it's un-Huskylike to even try to equate spygate to some recruiting violations Jimmy C may have committed. That's something Id hear from a UK or dook fan. Smh

Look I really don't want to go back and forth with you because it's childish, and it probably won't end

I guess the point I'm trying make is

JIMMY CALHOUN Is better than bill bilicheat
 
hey calhoun is second.... nice

Belichick did nothing with the brown's, but it was the browns
 
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walker11 said:
What did Belichick do before Brady?
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he was defensive coordinator for two super bowl winning giants teams. his first nfl head coaching job came in cleveland which is the black hole of coaching so after little success and support from the organization he was fired. he rejoined bill parcells in new england as assistant head coach and once again helped bill parcells get to a superbowl where they lost to green bay. he then followed parcells to the ny jets where he was defensive coordinator and was then named head coach when parcells stepped down but did not take the jets job. he then took the new england job and the rest is history.
 
UConn990411 said:
...maybe that's because there's no pro sports in Connecticut.

NESN is 95% pro sports coverage, so I'm not sure why this surprises you (and that's not even considering that half of Connecticut considers itself apart of New York).
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UConn gets 100 times the coverage in both YES, & SNY which are also located in a pro oriented city much larger than Boston.
 
Calhoun never would have let the '07-'08 Giants beat them and ruin a perfect season and for that reason, Calhoun just got 10 of my votes.

(and I'm a Giants fan)
 
The reason I asked what Belichick did before Brady isn't because I think he's not a great coach. He is. I was responding to someone making the implication that Belichick made Brady what he is because of his system. All of Brady's history has come under the tutelage of Belichick, where he has been outstanding. Belichick has NFL history outside of Brady, which has been a mixed bag.

I like Belichick and I think he was at a time the play caller for both sides of the ball at one time which is awesome but I just believe Brady has been more important than Belichick for the Patriots franchise.
 
walker11 said:
The reason I asked what Belichick did before Brady isn't because I think he's not a great coach. He is. I was responding to someone making the implication that Belichick made Brady what he is because of his system. All of Brady's history has come under the tutelage of Belichick, where he has been outstanding. Belichick has NFL history outside of Brady, which has been a mixed bag.

I like Belichick and I think he was at a time the play caller for both sides of the ball at one time which is awesome but I just believe Brady has been more important than Belichick for the Patriots franchise.
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i respect your opinion but there is no way to know that for certain. just look at matt cassell. what type of season did he have as a starter in that system? hows he doing now with the chiefs? im not saying tom brady isnt great because he is but belichek is a big part of that franchises success not the only part.
 
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True. Cassel was also very good last year for 14 games under Charlie Weiss. When Weiss left towards the end of the season Cassel sucked. Cassel also sucks this year.

Who knows who is more important to the other. I even used to think Brady was a system QB his first few years but now he has shown that he is probably top 5 all time
 
Come on guys, Bellicheck. I'm a Giants fan and I usually can't stand him, but you gotta give him credit. And to all the people who say Bellicheck is nothing without Brady: don't act like JC didn't have Emeka in 04 or Rip in 99.
 
tykurez said:
Calhoun never would have let the '07-'08 Giants beat them and ruin a perfect season and for that reason, Calhoun just got 10 of my votes.

(and I'm a Giants fan)
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That was Belichick's George Mason.
 
Devland said:
That was Belichick's George Mason.
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The Giants won three playoff games on the road and their defense killed the Patriots. Then they were the best team in the NFL the next year until Burress shot himself. You can't compare that team to George Mason.
 
I like both coaches. But a vote for JC is one small way of showing NE interest in UConn sports. Maybe the ACC and the media takes notice. Maybe not. But why give up a possible opportunity.
 
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dsturdy5 said:
Parcells' playoff record without Belichick on his staff?
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What's Belichick's record without Crennel/Weiss as his coordinators? That game can be played for days.

Given that Calhoun built a program from zero to a Top 3 program in the nation since the Field of 64 expansion and that Belichick hasn't won anything since Spygate (their defense was insane when they were winning titles, Marshall Faulk still swears the Pats cheated in the '01 SB, shocker that their D falls apart post-Spygate and they haven't won a playoff game in four years) I'm giving it to Calhoun.
 
Lefty2one said:
What's Belichick's record without Crennel/Weiss as his coordinators? That game can be played for days.

Given that Calhoun built a program from zero to a Top 3 program in the nation since the Field of 64 expansion and that Belichick hasn't won anything since Spygate (their defense was insane when they were winning titles, Marshall Faulk still swears the Pats cheated in the '01 SB, shocker that their D falls apart post-Spygate and they haven't won a playoff game in four years) I'm giving it to Calhoun.
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So you don't want to play the 1st game there (winning without coordinators)...but you do want to play the 'winning after Spygate' game? The Pats only had the greatest regular season run in history in 2007. They got beat in the Super Bowl by a team with a better D. Pat's D was too old by then. That said, the Giants still needed a few breaks and an act of god to win that game. Pat's D was too old and thin the year before too, when they lost to the Colts in the AFC with backups.

As far as Spygate goes, your not exactly displaying a fountain of knowledge. Many coaches admitted that they did and do the same thing. It's part of the game. They're just not as overt about it. Bill Cowher has talked at length about it. He had guys sitting up in the stands taking notes and pictures, which they'd match up to game film later. Teams were stealing signals for 30 years; every team mixes up their signals for exactly this reason. He also says that it's silly to think that the taping had any bearing on the Pat's victories (several of which were over his team).

If you think that it had an effect, then what you are saying is the opposing teams were very poorly run. In baseball, it would be like tipping the batter off to every pitch coming next.
 
Without Brady the Pats are still a playoff team but not a superbowl team, they would do fine with Brian Hoyer, just look at the Colts right now without Peyton Manning. It shows you how different both systems are too each other only a handful of qbs would be successful in the Colts offense.
 
Scoe said:
Without Brady the Pats are still a playoff team but not a superbowl team, they would do fine with Brian Hoyer, just look at the Colts right now without Peyton Manning. It shows you how different both systems are too each other only a handful of qbs would be successful in the Colts offense.
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It's not the system as much as how they run their organization. The Colts problem is that they fail to plan for life without Manning...or most of their starters for that matter. Their backup QB is usually atrocious. The Colts are normally thin at most positions as well.

The Patriots, on the other hand, constantly draft and develop QBs behind Brady. They've got a number of failures and a few successes. For example, they were satisfied with Matt Cassell as a backup, but still spent a 3rd round pick on Kevin O'Connell in 2008.

The Patriots also tend to be able to plug holes across the board better than most teams. Aside: the Packers were tremendously successful at this last year.
 
the Colts do have Danny O though he hasnt thrown an incomplete pass in 2 years
 
intlzncster said:
It's not the system as much as how they run their organization. The Colts problem is that they fail to plan for life without Manning...or most of their starters for that matter. Their backup QB is usually atrocious. The Colts are normally thin at most positions as well.

The Patriots, on the other hand, constantly draft and develop QBs behind Brady. They've got a number of failures and a few successes. For example, they were satisfied with Matt Cassell as a backup, but still spent a 3rd round pick on Kevin O'Connell in 2008.

The Patriots also tend to be able to plug holes across the board better than most teams. Aside: the Packers were tremendously successful at this last year.
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i agree the Pats, Packers and Steelers are one of the few teams that would get to the playoffs with their backup qb, maybe the Ravens.
 
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Coaches should be judged by what they've accomplished relative to their peers in the sports they coach. How many college basketball coaches have done what Calhoun has done? How many pro football coaches have done what Belichek has done? Who is more of an outlier?
 
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