ND vs Ohio (BobCats) ESPN+ [Merged Thread]

[Huskee11]

I`ll take the ND loss, but would have liked it more if Muffet reappeared for one more whiney post-game presser.

You know, just for old time`s sake.

 

[Kaizen]

Ivey specifically reference quarantine and clearance from doctors therefore this is likely COVID.
“With quarantine, with the time of their surgery, it just depends on their strength level and their clearance from doctors,” Ivey said. “Hopefully they will be back in the next couple of weeks.”

Five Notre Dame Women’s Basketball Players Unavailable This Weekend

Three are projected starters with Mikayla Vaughn, Sam Brunelle and Katlyn Gilbert.

notredame.rivals.com

Thanks God ND loses today.
Otherwise Ivey would say ND should be #1 in the country and both NCAA and ESPN will agree with her.

 

[oldude]

Ivey specifically reference quarantine and clearance from doctors therefore this is likely COVID.
“With quarantine, with the time of their surgery, it just depends on their strength level and their clearance from doctors,” Ivey said. “Hopefully they will be back in the next couple of weeks.”

Five Notre Dame Women’s Basketball Players Unavailable This Weekend

Three are projected starters with Mikayla Vaughn, Sam Brunelle and Katlyn Gilbert.

notredame.rivals.com

Yes, so as many have pointed out, ND continues to be governed by another set of rules from everyone else.

 

[MainefanSC]

Thanks God ND loses today.
Otherwise Ivey would say ND should be #1 in the country and both NCAA and ESPN will agree with her.

You are correct. If ND had finished #1 last spring (instead of SC) and stated that they should be awarded the NCAA title, they would have gotten it.

 

[Wbbfan1]

I would think with all the Covid Protocols in place, it would be difficult to cover Covid up. ND might have had an advantage if they could have postponed the games instead of playing them.

Gilbert and Abdur-Rahim are health situations that Ivey said she “can't disclose.”
==> If Ivey disclose the reason than NCAA will not allow ND to play due to health issue.

 

[j66kicker]

Ivey specifically reference quarantine and clearance from doctors therefore this is likely COVID.
“With quarantine, with the time of their surgery, it just depends on their strength level and their clearance from doctors,” Ivey said. “Hopefully they will be back in the next couple of weeks.”

Five Notre Dame Women’s Basketball Players Unavailable This Weekend

Three are projected starters with Mikayla Vaughn, Sam Brunelle and Katlyn Gilbert.

notredame.rivals.com

My guess is the athletes coming back from injuries just need to quarantine before re-entering the more secure ND team protocol, or something along those lines.

 

[Carnac]

If they have two players that are COVID related how in the heck did they get to play. UConn had to sit out for 14 days and NONE of the players or coaches were COVID related.

Don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that their university and conference protocols (interpretations) perhaps are vastly different than UConn's protocols, allowing them to play in spite of players quarantining.

It would interesting to get the complete story here. The coaches have no say in whether a player plays or not when they have contracted the COVID-19 virus. School/team doctors have the first and last word on all COVID related matters/issues. As other posters have already commented here, once a team member tests positive, the entire team has to quarantine during the 14 day incubation period to insure no one else is infected and or is carrying the virus.

I would imagine that if one or more players tested positive at any time leading up to this week, the team would have had to quarantine for 14 days. UConn having to sit out for 14 days was bad luck and bad timing. If it had to happen, it would have been better if the incident had happened at the beginning of the month. They would be playing tomorrow.

My question is IF........ a UConn player tests positive, will the rest of the team be allowed to play while that player quarantines alone, or do we do the "mass quarantine" thing again? No team in WCBB can afford to do one or more 14 day quarantines once league play begins. It would be very difficult to make those games up , especially if the quarantine is late in the season. They would have to forfeit those games, and fall like a rock in the conference standings. Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[ConnecticutBB]

Has ND released a post game conference?

 

[oldude]

The ACC Covid protocol only requires that players who test positive be isolated for 10 days. It does not require that other team members or coaches who may have been in contact with the infected player also be quarantined. That was the case when Clemson QB Trevor Lawrence tested positive a few weeks back, forcing him to miss 2 games, while the rest of the team, who had not tested positive, suited up and played.

Clearly, the ACC protocols are much different than UConn’s protocol, an inconsistency that Geno discussed in his press conference following UConn’s positive test.

 

[MSGRET]

The ACC Covid protocol only requires that players who test positive be isolated for 10 days. It does not require that other team members or coaches who may have been in contact with the infected player also be quarantined. That was the case when Clemson QB Trevor Lawrence tested positive a few weeks back, forcing him to miss 2 games, while the rest of the team, who had not tested positive, suited up and played.

Clearly, the ACC protocols are much different than UConn’s protocol, an inconsistency that Geno discussed in his press conference following UConn’s positive test.

Football and basketball protocols are vastly different. The Conferences not the NCAA set the protocols for football, while the NCAA sets the protocols for basketball, not the Conferences.

 

[soxfan23]

Football and basketball protocols are vastly different. The Conferences not the NCAA set the protocols for football, while the NCAA sets the protocols for basketball, not the Conferences.

The NCAA set ZERO official protocols for basketball, they simply gave guidelines and recommendations, the official protocols are up to the individual schools. This makes the individual schools liable and allows the money grubbing NCAA to cover their butts against future lawsuits.

"Why are the Basketball Guidelines considered recommendations and not requirements?

When the Board of Governors elected to mandate the considerations described in the Developing Standards document, there was considerable uncertainty in this country regarding both unprecedented infection rates and accessibility to testing. Further, there were concerns related to student-athletes who did not wish to compete because of COVID-related health issues. In this setting, the Board believed that a mandate would expedite and facilitate membership’s identification and establishment of a reasonable and consistent baseline standard related to in-season safety and student-athlete protection regarding scholarships and eligibility. We now have a better projection regarding testing availability and options and have obtained more information regarding sport and societal resocialization. In this fluid environment, the Board agreed that the Basketball Guidelines should serve as a guidance resource, especially as we continue to assess emerging science and infrastructure."

FAQ: Principles of Resocialization of Collegiate Basketball and Testing Considerations for All Sports

FAQ: Principles of Resocialization of Collegiate Basketball and Testing Considerations for All Sports

www.ncaa.org

 

[eebmg]

The ACC Covid protocol only requires that players who test positive be isolated for 10 days. It does not require that other team members or coaches who may have been in contact with the infected player also be quarantined. That was the case when Clemson QB Trevor Lawrence tested positive a few weeks back, forcing him to miss 2 games, while the rest of the team, who had not tested positive, suited up and played.

Clearly, the ACC protocols are much different than UConn’s protocol, an inconsistency that Geno discussed in his press conference following UConn’s positive test.

I think it is a Big East Protocol which seemed to match the "suggested" language of the NCAA

 

[MSGRET]

It should be the same standard for all teams. Let's say because of ND not quarantining the players that had been in contact with the infected player (s), then gives it someone on an opposing team, does that team have the right to sue ND because they didn't follow guidelines that were set by the CDC and were recommended by the NCAA.

 

[eebmg]

Not quite sure their is a positive Covid incident for ND? The language is unclear but just came across an unbelievably blatant case on the Mens side. People should be fired

Opinion: Gonzaga makes a bad call, playing despite positive COVID tests: 'I hope nobody gets infected'

Gonzaga had a player and staffer test positive for COVID-19, but that didn't stop team from putting Auburn and Kansas at risk by continuing to play.

www.usatoday.com

 

[CocoHusky]

Yes, so as many have pointed out, ND continues to be governed by another set of rules from everyone else.

I probably disagree with the “many” then. I dislike ND more than most. It is 2020 and given the state that we are in I support any decision that allows these young ladies to play basketball. I also don’t understand why seemingly intelligent people can’t comprehend that ND and UCONN are operating under two different COVID protocols and guidance. I live in PA and work in MD=two completely different set of guidelines. Harvard is not playing basketball, Boston College played New Hampshire on Wednesday.

 

[CocoHusky]

Not quite sure their is a positive Covid incident for ND? The language is unclear but just came across an unbelievably blatant case on the Mens side. People should be fired

Opinion: Gonzaga makes a bad call, playing despite positive COVID tests: 'I hope nobody gets infected'

Gonzaga had a player and staffer test positive for COVID-19, but that didn't stop team from putting Auburn and Kansas at risk by continuing to play.

www.usatoday.com

 

[MSGRET]

So it's okay for ND to play, but everyone is livid about Gonzaga. Guess the power of the Golden Dome shields their player from maybe passing on to other teams, but the Zags don't have the Golden Dome so they get ridiculed for playing. My question is did ND inform Ohio before the game or did they keep their mouths shut.

 

[CocoHusky]

So it's okay for ND to play, but everyone is livid about Gonzaga. Guess the power of the Golden Dome shields their player from maybe passing on to other teams, but the Zags don't have the Golden Dome so they get ridiculed for playing. My question is did ND inform Ohio before the game or did they keep their mouths shut.

Please leave the baseless bashing to the Orange Board, unless you can provide a link that there was a positive test among the ND WBB players.

 

[MSGRET]

Please leave the baseless bashing to the Orange Board, unless you can provide a link that there was a positive test among the ND WBB players.

Why hasn't ND stated who was quarantined and for what reason, besides saying it was a medical issue and can't be disclosed.

 

[CocoHusky]

Why hasn't ND stated who was quarantined and for what reason, besides saying it was a medical issue and can't be disclosed.

My guess is the athletes coming back from injuries just need to quarantine before re-entering the more secure ND team protocol, or something along those lines.

 

[oldude]

Just to be clear, In regard to the two players who were not available today, ND Insider mentioned them relative to patient privacy laws (HIPAA) and related Covid cases for student athletes, specifically football. It cited ND policy of not disclosing health issues unless the players themselves granted permission. Coach Ivey was quoted as saying they are dependent on the school Medical staff to advise when these players would be available to return.

Everyone can make their own judgment as to why the two players were unavailable today.

 

[MSGRET]

Just to be clear, In regard to the two players who were not available today, ND Insider mentioned them relative to patient privacy laws (HIPAA) and related Covid cases for student athletes, specifically football. It cited ND policy of not disclosing health issues unless the players themselves granted permission. Coach Ivey was quoted as saying they are dependent on the school Medical staff to advise when these players would be available to return.

Everyone can make their own judgment as to why the two players were unavailable today.

Hiding behind HIPAA rules is kind of skirting around COVID, if they didn't have it come out and say it had nothing to do with COVID, to clear everything up. Because many people interpreted that once they inserted the word quarantine in their statement that someone that sat out has COVID.

 

[oldude]

Hiding behind HIPAA rules is kind of skirting around COVID, if they didn't have it come out and say it had nothing to do with COVID, to clear everything up. Because many people interpreted that once they inserted the word quarantine in their statement that someone that sat out has COVID.

I believe the two players have contracted Covid. ND is not the only school that is notoriously tight-lipped about the health of their athletes. Stanford also comes to mind.

 

[CocoHusky]

Hiding behind HIPAA rules is kind of skirting around COVID, if they didn't have it come out and say it had nothing to do with COVID, to clear everything up. Because many people interpreted that once they inserted the word quarantine in their statement that someone that sat out has COVID.

I believe the two players have contracted Covid. ND is not the only school that is notoriously tight-lipped about the health of their athletes. Stanford also comes to mind.

I don't believe anyone is trying to change your believe or the belief of "many". What @MSGRET has stated and implied and you appear to be propagating is false, vicious and intentionally misleading: What you are both saying or implying is this: UCONN WBB was positive and prevented from playing and ND was positive and allowed to play. First and foremost UCONN DID NOT have a player with COVID. Second neither of you know if ND had a player(s) with COVID.
It should not be surprising to anyone that spends as much time on this board as you and @MSGRET that UCONN and ND are operating on different protocols, processes and procedures. Without naming ND specifically Geno told us as much in his media event the day the 14 day shutdown of the program was announced. This virus is vicious enough and there is enough false information out there regarding it. Please do not add to the misinformation. There are at least 14,863 documented and verified reasons to dislike ND. COVID does not need to be added to the list.

 

[MSGRET]

I don't believe anyone is trying to change your believe or the belief of "many". What @MSGRET has stated and implied and you appear to be propagating is false, vicious and intentionally misleading: What you are both saying or implying is this: UCONN WBB was positive and prevented from playing and ND was positive and allowed to play. First and foremost UCONN DID NOT have a player with COVID. Second neither of you know if ND had a player(s) with COVID.
It should not be surprising to anyone that spends as much time on this board as you and @MSGRET that UCONN and ND are operating on different protocols, processes and procedures. Without naming ND specifically Geno told us as much in his media event the day the 14 day shutdown of the program was announced. This virus is vicious enough and there is enough false information out there regarding it. Please do not add to the misinformation. There are at least 14,863 documented and verified reasons to dislike ND. COVID does not need to be added to the list.

No what I'm saying is that once they inserted the word quarantine in their statement and said that they wouldn't say what the illness is due to HIPAA is they need to come out at state if someone sat because of COVID OR that COVID wasn't the reason. They do not violate any HIPAA rules with either statement.

 

[CocoHusky]

No what I'm saying is that once they inserted the word quarantine in their statement and said that they wouldn't say what the illness is due to HIPAA is they need to come out at state if someone sat because of COVID OR that COVID wasn't the reason. They do not violate any HIPAA rules with either statement.

What you actually posted was this.

If they have two players that are COVID related how in the heck did they get to play. UConn had to sit out for 14 days and NONE of the players or coaches were COVID related.

When several posters pointed out to you that the protocols were probably different you doubled down with this.

It should be the same standard for all teams. Let's say because of ND not quarantining the players that had been in contact with the infected player (s), then gives it someone on an opposing team, does that team have the right to sue ND because they didn't follow guidelines that were set by the CDC and were recommended by the NCAA.

Not only are you falsely accusing ND of having infected players you are supposing that ND would allow infected players to endanger another team=vicious and wrong.

 

[Carnac]

The ACC Covid protocol only requires that players who test positive be isolated for 10 days. It does not require that other team members or coaches who may have been in contact with the infected player also be quarantined. That was the case when Clemson QB Trevor Lawrence tested positive a few weeks back, forcing him to miss 2 games, while the rest of the team, who had not tested positive, suited up and played.

Clearly, the ACC protocols are much different than UConn’s protocol, an inconsistency that Geno discussed in his press conference following UConn’s positive test.

Thanks for the explanation OD. Now I understand.

 

[oldude]

I don't believe anyone is trying to change your believe or the belief of "many". What @MSGRET has stated and implied and you appear to be propagating is false, vicious and intentionally misleading: What you are both saying or implying is this: UCONN WBB was positive and prevented from playing and ND was positive and allowed to play. First and foremost UCONN DID NOT have a player with COVID. Second neither of you know if ND had a player(s) with COVID.
It should not be surprising to anyone that spends as much time on this board as you and @MSGRET that UCONN and ND are operating on different protocols, processes and procedures. Without naming ND specifically Geno told us as much in his media event the day the 14 day shutdown of the program was announced. This virus is vicious enough and there is enough false information out there regarding it. Please do not add to the misinformation. There are at least 14,863 documented and verified reasons to dislike ND. COVID does not need to be added to the list.

Coco, when you attempt to tie multiple posts together and argue against them all at once, it’s really hard to understand exactly what you’re saying. I’ve read your post 3 times and I am still having difficulty understanding it. You have lumped me in with several others for “propagating false, vicious and intentionally misleading” information about ND.

For the record, I understood that it was not a UConn player or coach who tested positive. For the record, I have pointed out that UConn and ND have different protocols regarding how they deal with COVID.

Finally, and for the record, based on the preponderance of evidence, both from Coach Ivie’s careful statements alluding to “quarantine” and that input from medical staff would be needed to determine when the players would be able to return, along with the article in ND Insider, it appears highly likely that the two players have COVID.

Let’s leave it there.

 

[donalddoowop]

A thrilling one point win for the Bobcats. Always nice to see ND go down. The newest Mabrey, who got a transfer waiver, (of course she did, it's ND), went off for 37 in the losing effort.

Mabrey dribbles too much. She was dribbling and pointing while her teammates were either scrambling or standing waiting for her to pass the ball. Instead, she often dribbled until she got to a point where she would shoot even when the shot was forced. I don't think she will be able to dribble as much when those three starters return. It just may cause some friction. However, I will say she had a good shooting percentage in the game. For Ohio, number four dribbled even more and played too much one on one. It seemed when she got the ball she thought she should shoot it, the heck with her teammates. The announcer said she took over thirty shots in her last game. She hit less than ten. ND will be a team to take seriously when they get all their players back. With next year's freshmen, they will be at a top ten team, at least talent wise. Ivey will have to produce next season.

 

[CocoHusky]

Coco, when you attempt to tie multiple posts together and argue against them all at once, it’s really hard to understand exactly what you’re saying. I’ve read your post 3 times and I am still having difficulty understanding it. You have lumped me in with several others for “propagating false, vicious and intentionally misleading” information about ND.

For the record, I understood that it was not a UConn player or coach who tested positive. For the record, I have pointed out that UConn and ND have different protocols regarding how they deal with COVID.

Finally, and for the record, based on the preponderance of evidence, both from Coach Ivie’s careful statements alluding to “quarantine” and that input from medical staff would be needed to determine when the players would be able to return, along with the article in ND Insider, it appears highly likely that the two players have COVID.

Let’s leave it there.

We are not in a court room. Your assumption that ND players had COVID is just that your ASSumption. The inference that ND behaved inappropriately is vicious and unworthy.