ND vs Ohio (BobCats) ESPN+ [Merged Thread]

[oldude]

Just to be clear, In regard to the two players who were not available today, ND Insider mentioned them relative to patient privacy laws (HIPAA) and related Covid cases for student athletes, specifically football. It cited ND policy of not disclosing health issues unless the players themselves granted permission. Coach Ivey was quoted as saying they are dependent on the school Medical staff to advise when these players would be available to return.

Everyone can make their own judgment as to why the two players were unavailable today.

 

[MSGRET]

Just to be clear, In regard to the two players who were not available today, ND Insider mentioned them relative to patient privacy laws (HIPAA) and related Covid cases for student athletes, specifically football. It cited ND policy of not disclosing health issues unless the players themselves granted permission. Coach Ivey was quoted as saying they are dependent on the school Medical staff to advise when these players would be available to return.

Everyone can make their own judgment as to why the two players were unavailable today.

Hiding behind HIPAA rules is kind of skirting around COVID, if they didn't have it come out and say it had nothing to do with COVID, to clear everything up. Because many people interpreted that once they inserted the word quarantine in their statement that someone that sat out has COVID.

 

[oldude]

Hiding behind HIPAA rules is kind of skirting around COVID, if they didn't have it come out and say it had nothing to do with COVID, to clear everything up. Because many people interpreted that once they inserted the word quarantine in their statement that someone that sat out has COVID.

I believe the two players have contracted Covid. ND is not the only school that is notoriously tight-lipped about the health of their athletes. Stanford also comes to mind.

 

[CocoHusky]

Hiding behind HIPAA rules is kind of skirting around COVID, if they didn't have it come out and say it had nothing to do with COVID, to clear everything up. Because many people interpreted that once they inserted the word quarantine in their statement that someone that sat out has COVID.

I believe the two players have contracted Covid. ND is not the only school that is notoriously tight-lipped about the health of their athletes. Stanford also comes to mind.

I don't believe anyone is trying to change your believe or the belief of "many". What @MSGRET has stated and implied and you appear to be propagating is false, vicious and intentionally misleading: What you are both saying or implying is this: UCONN WBB was positive and prevented from playing and ND was positive and allowed to play. First and foremost UCONN DID NOT have a player with COVID. Second neither of you know if ND had a player(s) with COVID.
It should not be surprising to anyone that spends as much time on this board as you and @MSGRET that UCONN and ND are operating on different protocols, processes and procedures. Without naming ND specifically Geno told us as much in his media event the day the 14 day shutdown of the program was announced. This virus is vicious enough and there is enough false information out there regarding it. Please do not add to the misinformation. There are at least 14,863 documented and verified reasons to dislike ND. COVID does not need to be added to the list.

 

[MSGRET]

I don't believe anyone is trying to change your believe or the belief of "many". What @MSGRET has stated and implied and you appear to be propagating is false, vicious and intentionally misleading: What you are both saying or implying is this: UCONN WBB was positive and prevented from playing and ND was positive and allowed to play. First and foremost UCONN DID NOT have a player with COVID. Second neither of you know if ND had a player(s) with COVID.
It should not be surprising to anyone that spends as much time on this board as you and @MSGRET that UCONN and ND are operating on different protocols, processes and procedures. Without naming ND specifically Geno told us as much in his media event the day the 14 day shutdown of the program was announced. This virus is vicious enough and there is enough false information out there regarding it. Please do not add to the misinformation. There are at least 14,863 documented and verified reasons to dislike ND. COVID does not need to be added to the list.

No what I'm saying is that once they inserted the word quarantine in their statement and said that they wouldn't say what the illness is due to HIPAA is they need to come out at state if someone sat because of COVID OR that COVID wasn't the reason. They do not violate any HIPAA rules with either statement.

 

[CocoHusky]

No what I'm saying is that once they inserted the word quarantine in their statement and said that they wouldn't say what the illness is due to HIPAA is they need to come out at state if someone sat because of COVID OR that COVID wasn't the reason. They do not violate any HIPAA rules with either statement.

What you actually posted was this.

If they have two players that are COVID related how in the heck did they get to play. UConn had to sit out for 14 days and NONE of the players or coaches were COVID related.

When several posters pointed out to you that the protocols were probably different you doubled down with this.

It should be the same standard for all teams. Let's say because of ND not quarantining the players that had been in contact with the infected player (s), then gives it someone on an opposing team, does that team have the right to sue ND because they didn't follow guidelines that were set by the CDC and were recommended by the NCAA.

Not only are you falsely accusing ND of having infected players you are supposing that ND would allow infected players to endanger another team=vicious and wrong.

 

[Carnac]

The ACC Covid protocol only requires that players who test positive be isolated for 10 days. It does not require that other team members or coaches who may have been in contact with the infected player also be quarantined. That was the case when Clemson QB Trevor Lawrence tested positive a few weeks back, forcing him to miss 2 games, while the rest of the team, who had not tested positive, suited up and played.

Clearly, the ACC protocols are much different than UConn’s protocol, an inconsistency that Geno discussed in his press conference following UConn’s positive test.

Thanks for the explanation OD. Now I understand.

 

[oldude]

I don't believe anyone is trying to change your believe or the belief of "many". What @MSGRET has stated and implied and you appear to be propagating is false, vicious and intentionally misleading: What you are both saying or implying is this: UCONN WBB was positive and prevented from playing and ND was positive and allowed to play. First and foremost UCONN DID NOT have a player with COVID. Second neither of you know if ND had a player(s) with COVID.
It should not be surprising to anyone that spends as much time on this board as you and @MSGRET that UCONN and ND are operating on different protocols, processes and procedures. Without naming ND specifically Geno told us as much in his media event the day the 14 day shutdown of the program was announced. This virus is vicious enough and there is enough false information out there regarding it. Please do not add to the misinformation. There are at least 14,863 documented and verified reasons to dislike ND. COVID does not need to be added to the list.

Coco, when you attempt to tie multiple posts together and argue against them all at once, it’s really hard to understand exactly what you’re saying. I’ve read your post 3 times and I am still having difficulty understanding it. You have lumped me in with several others for “propagating false, vicious and intentionally misleading” information about ND.

For the record, I understood that it was not a UConn player or coach who tested positive. For the record, I have pointed out that UConn and ND have different protocols regarding how they deal with COVID.

Finally, and for the record, based on the preponderance of evidence, both from Coach Ivie’s careful statements alluding to “quarantine” and that input from medical staff would be needed to determine when the players would be able to return, along with the article in ND Insider, it appears highly likely that the two players have COVID.

Let’s leave it there.

 

[donalddoowop]

A thrilling one point win for the Bobcats. Always nice to see ND go down. The newest Mabrey, who got a transfer waiver, (of course she did, it's ND), went off for 37 in the losing effort.

Mabrey dribbles too much. She was dribbling and pointing while her teammates were either scrambling or standing waiting for her to pass the ball. Instead, she often dribbled until she got to a point where she would shoot even when the shot was forced. I don't think she will be able to dribble as much when those three starters return. It just may cause some friction. However, I will say she had a good shooting percentage in the game. For Ohio, number four dribbled even more and played too much one on one. It seemed when she got the ball she thought she should shoot it, the heck with her teammates. The announcer said she took over thirty shots in her last game. She hit less than ten. ND will be a team to take seriously when they get all their players back. With next year's freshmen, they will be at a top ten team, at least talent wise. Ivey will have to produce next season.

 

[CocoHusky]

Coco, when you attempt to tie multiple posts together and argue against them all at once, it’s really hard to understand exactly what you’re saying. I’ve read your post 3 times and I am still having difficulty understanding it. You have lumped me in with several others for “propagating false, vicious and intentionally misleading” information about ND.

For the record, I understood that it was not a UConn player or coach who tested positive. For the record, I have pointed out that UConn and ND have different protocols regarding how they deal with COVID.

Finally, and for the record, based on the preponderance of evidence, both from Coach Ivie’s careful statements alluding to “quarantine” and that input from medical staff would be needed to determine when the players would be able to return, along with the article in ND Insider, it appears highly likely that the two players have COVID.

Let’s leave it there.

We are not in a court room. Your assumption that ND players had COVID is just that your ASSumption. The inference that ND behaved inappropriately is vicious and unworthy.

 

[oldude]

We are not in a court room. Your assumption that ND players had COVID is just that your ASSumption. The inference that ND behaved inappropriately is vicious and unworthy.

Give it a rest

 

[CocoHusky]

Give it a rest

I will when you get some decency.

 

[oldude]

I will when you get some decency.

Coco, although you are generally well informed and most of your posts are knowledgeable, when someone disagrees with your posts, you get defensive and lash out with personal invective that is totally inappropriate here on the BY. In this instance you feel the need to direct comments at myself and two other posters suggesting that we are being vicious, false, intentionally misleading and lack decency.

I repeat my request that you give it a rest. Your personal insults have no place here on the Boneyard.

 

[topogigio]

Anyone else still get a little giddy over ND losses?

 

[oldude]

Anyone else still get a little giddy over ND losses?

It does take some of the sting out of the disappointing news that UConn will not be in action this weekend, although it would be even better if MM was still running the show in South Bend.

 

[YSRFrisbee]

Yes, the cancelled games are disappointing, but watching ANY game has been a treat! And if not televised, I’m even enjoying just reading game summaries and the box scores! Haha! It definitely makes you appreciate the little things...

Like they say... “you don’t know what you have until it’s gone”.

“In a world where you can be anything... be KIND”

 

[The CDR-Ret]

It does take some of the sting out of the disappointing news that UConn will not be in action this weekend, although it would be even better if MM was still running the show in South Bend.

I am glad MM is gone, but her old players still losing works for me....
In my physics class, the work of friction Wf = -uNd [negative (of course) coefficient of friction times Normal force time displacement] or negative university of Notre dame..... That will never change, as friction can be irritating just like the MM led uNd women's basketball teams of old, or fingernails scraping across the chalk board [probably the same frequency of MM whining and "throwing her players under the bus."
However, it would take about ten loses by uNd to equate to one win by UCONN in my book of happiness & joy....

 

[Plebe]

Anyone else still get a little giddy over ND losses?

We had quite the fill of giddiness last year with 18 losses, so humiliating they were capped off by Muffet hightailing it out of town ...
and lord knows we needed all that giddiness in what was a fairly trying season by UConn standards

 

[donalddoowop]

We had quite the fill of giddiness last year with 18 losses, so humiliating they were capped off by Muffet hightailing it out of town ...
and lord knows we needed all that giddiness in what was a fairly trying season by UConn standards

Maybe UConn needs to lower their standards.

 

[MilfordHusky]

ND has 2 fouled out, 2 at four fouls, one at 3 fouls. I wonder if 1 more fouled out what will happens? Can the coach jump in to play?

If Notre Dame is down to 4 players, Jessica Shepard is allowed to play.

 

[bluedevil]

Has ND released a post game conference?

Yes but it was in Latin...