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The Irish got 32% of their missed shots, UConn got 19% of their missed shots. The Huskies were dominated on the boards.
ND grabbed 8 offensive boards and UConn grabbed 7 offensive boards. Not one ND player grabbed more than 1 offensive rebound. Actually, 4 ND players are given credit for 1 offensive rebound.

The difference on the defensive boards was 31-19.

Overall, the difference was 39-26.

Rebounding was not the reason this game was lost. It was shot-making.
 
Anybody check the calendar?

I want to run through a couple of choruses of a great Eddie Cantor song;
"If you knew Geno, like I knew Geno.
Oh, Oh, Oh what a coach"

This game is going to pay dividends for the next two years.
It is burned into the athletic soul of each and every player.
And Geno will play it for all its worth.

Nobody likes a loss, but no one makes profit from a loss like Geno.

Somebody said they feel sorry for Princeton. Yup and quite a few other teams too.

BTW, I loved Amari's threes (I'm a big fan), but I want to see some fire in her eyes.
If I were an alchemist and could merge Amari's skill with Aaliyah's attitude, I would present you with an All-American.
 
ND grabbed 8 offensive boards and UConn grabbed 7 offensive boards. Not one ND player grabbed more than 1 offensive rebound. Actually, 4 ND players are given credit for 1 offensive rebound.

The difference on the defensive boards was 31-19.

Overall, the difference was 39-26.

Rebounding was not the reason this game was lost. It was shot-making.

Why are you comparing total offensive rebounds when one team had far more opportunities at them than the other?

Again, 32% to 19%.

I never said UConn lost only due to rebounding, but it was an issue along with both offense and defense.
 
Big questions from today:

How is Azzi?
What was wrong with out 6’2 guard/forward?
Point guard turnovers
Losing defensive assignments time after time
When will Dorka return to playing?
 
Why are you comparing total offensive rebounds when one team had far more opportunities at them than the other?

Again, 32% to 19%.

I never said UConn lost only due to rebounding, but it was an issue along with both offense and defense.
Because I know what it looks like when UConn is dominated on the boards and this was not one of those games. Who cares about %s when the numbers are low. Four offensive boards were team rebounds where the ball was probably a 50-50 ball that was last touched by a UConn player. The other 4 were credited to 4 ND players.

UConn is not a good offensive rebounding team and I cannot remember the last time they were. This game was not lost because of ND on the offensive boards. Maybe UConn could have kept it closer on the offensive glass but that's not what this team does very well.
 
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Rebounding was clearly a factor. That's 13 more possesions and if you convert half of them it's over 10 points on the scoreboard. Plus their rebounding our misses drove their fast break conversions. Rebounding difference was one of the top reasons for the loss. And we should have expected it going in. They have a lot of bigs and we do not currently.

We got out coached today to a degree also. Notre Dame's game plan was textbook in how to beat this years team. Leave Aubrey and Nika open for jump shots and double others. Deny Azzi and Lou. Box out and dominate the paint. We were playing this game but the outcome was all dependent upon our weaknesses perfoming at least average. Nika did her part today at least some. Aubrey had a bad day.

This doesn't knock us out of the top 10 or even the top 5. I can't believe some of the things I read sometimes. We've beat 3 top 10 teams and lost to one. It's not the end of the world.

I think we are going to keep seeing this sort of deny defense though. One way to help fight it is to give the ball to Azzi earlier, as in putting her in Olivia Miles mode as a quasi PG. Let Azzi beat them off the dribble some, or at least penetrate. Set high screens for her. If she didn't get hurt I'm sure Geno would have adjusted in some way.

A normal Caroline could have helped win this game. We need her back to game form asap. Dorka as well, obviously.
 
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Rebounding was clearly a factor. That's 13 more possesions and if you convert half of them it's over 10 points on the scoreboard. Plus their rebounding our misses drove their fast break conversions. Rebounding difference was one of the top reasons for the loss. And we should have expected it going in. They have a lot of bigs and we do not currently.

We got out coached today to a degree also. Notre Dame's game plan was textbook in how to beat this years team. Leave Aubrey and Nika open for jump shots and double others. Deny Azzi and Lou. Box out and dominate the paint. We were playing this game but the outcome was all dependent upon our weaknesses perfoming at least average. Nika did her part today at least some. Aubrey had a bad day.

This doesn't knock us out of the top 10 or even the top 5. I can't believe some of the things I read sometimes. We've beat 3 top 10 teams and lost to one. It's not the end of the world.

I think we are going to keep seeing this sort of deny defense though. One way to help fight it is to give the ball to Azzi earlier, as in putting her in Olivia Miles mode as a quasi PG. Let Azzi beat them off the dribble some, or at least penetrate. Set high screens for her. If she didn't get hurt I'm sure Geno would have adjusted in some way.

A normal Caroline could have helped win this game. We need her back to game form asap. Dorka as well, obviously.
Not sure where you're getting the 13 more possessions. ND and UConn took the same number of shots -- 57. ND made 32 FGs and UConn made 21 FGs. UConn made 2 more 3FGs than ND. UConn took 6 more FTs (13-7) and ND turned the ball over 3 more times (18-15). Second chance points were the same at 10 points. This was not like South Carolina putting up 15 more FGAs off of offensive rebounds.

This was a game that was played at ND's preferred pace (which allowed Ebo to play more minutes), shot-making (32 FGs vs 21 FGs) and less than stellar defense by UConn.
 
I don’t have much nice things to say about ND so rather than lay it all out and derail this topic, all I say is more than likely these two teams will be in the same regional in March. The committee loves that, so that’s when it will all count. Hopefully UConn is healthy by then
 
agree with most of the comments here. On a separate topic, wanted to see what the BY thinks of Rebecca Lobo calling the games. Sometimes it seems to me that since the nation knows her as a Husky, she goes out of her way to praise (and over praise) the other team, especially our heated rivals. I know she has to be impartial, but sometimes it feels like too much. I really like watching Husky games with other announcers.
I love Rebecca (saw her in the '95 parade as a little kid and loved her ever since, especially she ended up settling down near where I grew up). She is a fantastic advocate for UConn wbb and I admire her accomplishments. That being said, yeah, I have felt for some time now that she goes out of her way to seem impartial - beyond what seems necessary.

Though I have seen other teams' fans complaining that she is too pro-UConn when she does games, so your mileage may vary I guess. :p:eek:
 
In the course of a season, this counts only as a loss. Of course, there is distaste because it was ND. In the bigger picture, there are a few concerns. Let's hope Aziz is OK - held out as a precaution. Without her in the lineup, Conn's offense struggled in the half court. ND killed UConn on the glass, essentially shutting down the transition game.

Dora was missed in this game - Aubrey is pushed around by bigger players underneath. She had a rough game offensively and Caroline seemed completely out of sorts today.

I hate to give ND credit, but Coach Ivey had a solid gameplay for UConn. After losing to MD last week, it was obvious they were prepared and ready to atone for that loss.

UConn has already had its share of injuries and looking at the UConn bench in the second half, there was too much talent sitting there.

Maybe the bright spot is Amari gave Geno something to think about going forward. She has looked more engaged her last two games and she has a nice stroke and is obviously confident taking the shot.
Geno's limited playing of Amari continues to baffle me. I mean could she have shot, rebounded, and been outhustled, and been frazzled any worse than Aubrey? I could see if we had a full squad, but with all the injuries? What a wasted resource....
 
Caroline is still way out of shape. You can really see her struggling to get back on defense. Not being able to work out and practice in the off season has really hurt her development. She has a lot of work to do in practice before she can be expected to contribute any meaning full minutes.
So, was the Iowa game an aberration? Yeesh, you wonder whether this team will ever be at full strength....
 
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Azzi is not aggressive enough, It just doesn’t seam to be her nature. The ND guard wanted to crush UConn’s will, and she pretty much did. Azzi needs to get a killer instinct.
This is a very unfair critique of Azzi--ND focused their defense entirely on Azzi, sometimes with three people face-guarding her! What did you expect her to do? No, it was up to others to make the wide-open shots that the defense was giving them, because of the attention given to Azzi., to rebound and play defense. IMO, only Lou stepped up, the others had horrifically sub-par games.... Killer instinct? What a misguided observation...
 
There is a saying in football. Teams with great defenses "travel well". Well, UConn's finesse, perimeter game is the opposite - it doesnt travel well. Without any post play, UConn has to be near-perfect with its passing, picks & of course shooting to score consistently against physical, big teams. It's not that hard to defend UConn if you have the size & physical players. Just clog the middle to prevent any cutting, and play tight perimeter defense against our "scorers". Azzi & Lou would need to play "hero ball" to give us a shot - very hard to do. We've seen this year after year in our losses. You need to have a post game to get easy points, put pressure on the other team, & create space for our shooters. Maybe a healthy Dorka/AE combo can get us there, but I doubt it this year against the physical Top 10 teams.
 
Griffen "took those shots" because she was open and other players were not, and she's been practicing those shots (but not under duress). She needs more practice shots to get confidence in them, so that she can feast on the opportunities defenses provide and become an All American.
After watching Griffin for three years now, it is clearly evident that she is not a good shooter, she continues to be awkward at times on offense. She is a slasher with a great motor but not a solid shooter, and her body of work will never garner her an All-American selection...
 
This was a tough one, but a loss in South Bend to an inspired Notre Dame team in December is way better than in March. This team had a rude awakening and without Fudd's late game heroics, this game was a runaway. Geno prepared this team the best he could but I don't think he could simulate how attached the defenders were to Lou and Azzi. Citron was so close she could name each ingredient Fudd had in her pre-game Chipotle bowl.

I can deal with a loss, injuries are heartbreakers, wishing for a speedy for Azzi. The ladies will rest, regroup and recover. There were sections in the game in which I felt I was watching football.
 
easy to see some weaknesses with this team. It's just that no one wanted to see them. We struggled to score against a top defense, especially with Azzi out.
If you look back to the Texas game, the issues that hurt UConn today against ND were there too. Our interior defense was lacking (even with Dorka-albeit she did play that game with a broken thumb). When we really needed a bucket against Texas, Azzi was really the only one who could provide it (scoring 17 of 20 4thQ pts that game). With a similar issue regarding dealing with size inside plus not having Azzi available, ND took advantage of those weaknesses.

I do think it was 100% the right decision to not put Azzi back out there. Even when she came back in during the 2Q, she was still clearly hobbling a bit. Her health comes first. And with the physicality of the game and the way she has to run off screens in order to get open, it was better to be safe than sorry by sitting her out in the second half. Learned that the hard way with Paige in the last ND game. I was glad to see the coaching staff take that precaution when I’m sure Azzi was wanting to get out there and help in such a big game.
 
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Weaknesses, sure. Every team has weaknesses. ND has weaknesses too, — they’re slow in the frontcourt and tire easily if you make them run, and we could have used that to force all sorts of problems on them. Ordinarily we’d have used these weaknesses to engineer a win in the second half. That’s our strength. Without Azzi and only one perimeter scorer, we were no longer able to take advantage of them.

Diagnosing our weaknesses in an exceptional circumstance is not wrong. But it doesn’t tell us as much as we may think. When we’re back to full strength, we’ll torch teams like ND. The difference is ND is at full strength now. They have no upside other than getting more playing time to perfect their system, such as it is.

And don’t worry guys — I won’t red thumb you for speaking loosely about our weaknesses. I realize you all mean well. I’ll leave that to the red thumb brigade who respond to adversity by savaging the rest of us.
 
They were not going undefeated and while losing sucks, it is part of the game.
Geno himself said that no one was expecting to go undefeated this season. The schedule was designed to challenge them and while it’s nice to be able to face a challenge and prevail (like the Iowa game)—the lessons from a loss stick with you a bit more. Remember how the 2020-21 Huskies responded to the loss @ Arkansas? I hope this loss will spark a similar shift. This team has clearly been really good in the early parts of the season and has definitely exceeded the expectations of most but there is still much room for improvement and they’ll be more motivated than ever to bounce back from this loss.
 
Rebecca Lobo calling the games
She fakes me out. She knows basketball so well I always think well maybe I'm going to hear a competent game call but it doesn't happen. It's not her fault, it's obvious that, in terms of calling the game, NOTHING useful is coming to them through the headphones, thus nothing gets communicated to us in the audience.

Play stops. Is it a foul? On whom? I want to know right away. Or rather is it not a foul but a held ball? May not make any possession difference in a specific instance (depending on the arrow) but I want to know. Or maybe in the contact melee someone stepped on the line or the ball went out of bounds. Or maybe an asteroid has hit and the world is coming to an end. Would they even bother telling us?

So we're interviewing an important guest on an important topic. Great: I'm all in favor of that. Sports broadcasts do it all the time. But when something happens in the game can't we pause for a moment, call the play, then come back to the guest?

Then someone hits a three and then half a minute later the score decrements by one, couldn't somebody let us know that's not a technical glitch, but there was a foot on the line and the three has been changed to a two?

It's not Lobo's fault (and technically most of that is not even her job). It's the producer and the lack of funding; they just don't bother to provide the resources to help the talent call the game right. But I just always have the hope that Rebecca's stature will somehow upgrade the production effort. Doesn't happen: they don't respect her any more than they respect us as the audience.
 
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Ohio State, Indiana and ND may jump ahead of us this week.
Disagree. I don’t think a loss on the road without Azzi is enough to disregard UConn’s strength of schedule and quality wins. Stanford stayed at 2 after their loss because it was a strong matchup and a “good” loss. Ohio State and Indiana may jump UConn becuase they’re undefeated and got quality wins in the Big10/ACC challenge this week but I don’t think the Huskies deserve to drop out of the Top 5 for a loss like this one. ND’s loss to Maryland and this win basically cancel each other out rankings-movement-wise so they can stay where they are.

I will also admit that AP voters make some interesting decisions and we can’t necessarily predict their thought process. I don’t think it matters much anyways because no matter the rankings I think this UConn team (when healthy) has already established itself as part of the clear upper echelon of WCBB teams (with SC and Stanford).
 
She doesn’t appear to be an inside force.
I’m not so sure about this. There’s more than one way to be a force inside: being stout or being swift. Breanna was always a force and it was through being swift. Jana is swift. I think she can be a force, a rim protector, a rebounder, a post up scorer a passer. Ice and Ayanna can bring the muscle if she doesn’t have enough.
 
One of those "burn the tapes" type of games. Nothing went well. Azzi got hurt. ND played out of their mind. It happens. No one goes undefeated.
With all due respect tapes are one of the most valuable coaching tools. Never burn a tape and the one you think you should is the one a team should watch the most. You can't learn as much from mistakes watching tape from games where everything went well.

As for no one goes undefeated, again no attack you may have missed a few seasons being younger but welcome aboard.
The Huskies ended up owning the sport, catching Summitt and the Vols in the national title chase with championship No. 8 in 2013 and following with three more to reach a record 11. There have been nine undefeated seasons in the history of NCAA women's basketball, six by UConn.
There is no reason to play these guys. They abandoned the Big East, there is nothing but bad blood, and the games always turn into "Mosh Pit " tball.
Just a different opinion, anyone, anywhere, anytime and it is a boost for the women's game. How many Big East games will be on a national network on a Sunday afternoon. You say bad blood but do not realize that is what makes rivalries and draws fans to the game.
There is no real blood just damn good competition.
Anyone knows why Caroline played only 13 mins? Is she not fully recovered yet?
Yes, anyone observing the game would realize Caroline is a shell of her former self at this point. The stat line is a story.
I hope it's because she was TOTALLY ineffective and not because she has lingering injury issues....
I agree but she is too damn good for it to be something else. She is simply not back to her use to be.
A foul is a foul if the refs call it, Aubrey could be wearing a halo and it's still foul.
Oh but what if wearing a shamrock?
And many of us has been around basketball enough to know Amari has excellent form and shoots the ball really well for a 6’5 player. When CD, Aubrey are way off - I am not sure the harm.
And...... This is a big AND how many of us are at practice every day and know more than Geno and CD? Does she get up and down the floor as quick as the rest of the team? One observation of mine.
On a separate topic, wanted to see what the BY thinks of Rebecca Lobo calling the games.
I can't speak for others but I have no problem with Rebecca calling games. Also very happy for her just signing a new multi year contract with ESPN. I think she calls them all fair and square.
 
For anybody( maybe just me) who has been wondering where the Maddy Westbeld ,who was all ACC as a frosh, has been, she certainly showed up today. Been averaging 7pts,6 boards 2 assists, today had 17 ,9, and 4, and blocked 3 shots. Had a modest year last year; wonder if she was hurt. Back to her frosh year, she would make them very tough.
Oh, and does anyone remember a UConn timeout being taken during ND's 24-11 2nd quarter? Must have been one anyway, right?
I was yelling at Geno to call timeout; your post right on target.
Ciao
 
It appears that the vast majority of posters want to see Amari get more quality minutes to see what she can do to help this team.
I wonder what Geno will do; he is very obstinate in his ways and yet it is hard to question our HOF coach.
 
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