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billybud said:
Don't be obtuse...Swofford didn't whine at all...he proposed a rule change., that is all.....and said..I don't know that we actually want to do anything...we just think that conferences should be able to decide how they derive their champions.
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Your honor, the defense rests.
 
Schedules will always be awkward...like Iowa not playing Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, nor Penn State on the way to the championship game...

Or VT not playing Louisville, FSU, or Clemson on their way to the championship game.

This year's Ohio State basketball team...who found out that they were in a bad place for a bubble team....needed schedule help according to Eleven Warriors.

The Big Ten currently has eight RPI top-100 teams, which is tied for fewest among the five major conferences. The Big 12 is the only other Power 5 league in the country with eight, but remember there are only 10 teams in the Big 12 whereas the Big Ten has 14. Ten of the ACC’s 15 teams are in the RPI’s top-100; the SEC has nine; and the Pac-12 has 11 of its 12 teams in the top-100.

The unbalanced schedule in the Big Ten meant Ohio State played nine of its 18 conference games against those teams outside the RPI top-100. That’s 50 percent. Indiana is the only other team in the conference with that type of unbalance. So yes, the Buckeyes only had two quality wins in the league, but they also had fewer opportunities than the rest of the teams in the top half of the Big Ten.


I think that we will always have artifacts of scheduling...perfect schedules just aren't likely.


 
Seaa Blue said:
Your honor, the defense rests.
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Oh that is exactly what the ACC proposed, all righta...and, you know what? Swofford has never said that he was disappointed in the outcome. He said it probably wouldn't have been acted upon, it was just a philosophy.

Maybe he was trying to help the Big 12 out...
 
billybud said:
Don't be obtuse...Swofford didn't whine at all...he proposed a rule change., that is all.....and said..I don't know that we actually want to do anything...we just think that conferences should be able to decide how they derive their champions.

That is the sum of it.

It is Big Ten fans that constantly harp on pods....
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Actually, I didn't realize Swofford whined about any of this until you provided the quotes and links. Except for Indiana and Purdue, Big Ten teams play each other three times every seven years, so there isn't a need for pods at this point. When Swofford figures out what his conference wants, he can propose it. In the meantime, he can continue to whine about his current deplorable scheduling model and do nothing about it.
 
oh Gawd...I know you don't like the ACC...and it is OK.

But...it is you and Big Ten fans that constantly bring up pods....

It just isn't happening...

You can espouse pod plans until the cows come home....The ACC won't expand to 15....
 
Independence influence on National Recruiting is over-stated. TV + success will let you recruit nationally. Really it's about NBC and the brand strength of Notre Dame.. winning is the key to the latter component.

Case in point, Bama has something like 23 states represented on its roster; Ohio State had 22; even Florida State in a recruiting hotbed has 17
 
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Pat125 said:
In the context I've been using, pods are possible. You can have two pods, A and B, with four teams, and two pods, C and D, with three teams. One year, you have divisions with pods A and C, and pods B and D. The next year, you have divisions with pods A and D, and pods B and C. So, for example, teams in Pod A would play every team in their own pod every year, and teams in Pods C and D. Even with an eight game schedule that would leave two more games to play teams in Pod B, so they would play those teams every other year as well. My guess is this was discussed, and there was no agreement on the composition of the pods. Or there was no attempt, and Swofford chose to whine instead of improving the situation.

If Swofford is looking to have just one division with the goal of teams playing each other at least once every two years, they will have to devise some scheduling which will be similar to the pod scheduling above anyway.
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Two four-team pods and two three-team pods? Egads, that sounds awful. Like cheer sheet awful.
 
JeepCSC said:
You can't have pods with 14-teams, so it's just not workable at the moment, even if people were ok doing some convoluted rotating pods and only a championship game. Pods will come with 16-team leagues and semifinals.
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If they go to 16 team leagues, does Uconn end up in the ACC or the Big Ten? Does Texas end up in the PAC 12, the SEC or the Big Ten?
 
JeepCSC said:
Two four-team pods and two three-team pods? Egads, that sounds awful. Like cheer sheet awful.
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I think you are missing the point. There are still two divisions with a championship game. It is simply a mechanism to change up the divisions every year so that teams can play each other at least every other year. There are other ways this can be done. If you don't want to change the divisions and prefer to keep things as they are, fine by me. Anyway, I don't want to overstay my welcome here, if I haven't already, so I will leave it at that.
 
I get the point. But uneven pods doesn't sound manageable, particularly if nested inside the concept of divisions. It's too clever by half.
 
billybud said:
Schedules will always be awkward...like Iowa not playing Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, nor Penn State on the way to the championship game...

Or VT not playing Louisville, FSU, or Clemson on their way to the championship game.

This year's Ohio State basketball team...who found out that they were in a bad place for a bubble team....needed schedule help according to Eleven Warriors.

The Big Ten currently has eight RPI top-100 teams, which is tied for fewest among the five major conferences. The Big 12 is the only other Power 5 league in the country with eight, but remember there are only 10 teams in the Big 12 whereas the Big Ten has 14. Ten of the ACC’s 15 teams are in the RPI’s top-100; the SEC has nine; and the Pac-12 has 11 of its 12 teams in the top-100.

The unbalanced schedule in the Big Ten meant Ohio State played nine of its 18 conference games against those teams outside the RPI top-100. That’s 50 percent. Indiana is the only other team in the conference with that type of unbalance. So yes, the Buckeyes only had two quality wins in the league, but they also had fewer opportunities than the rest of the teams in the top half of the Big Ten.


I think that we will always have artifacts of scheduling...perfect schedules just aren't likely.
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Sounds like the Big Ten could use some help on the basketball side. ;)
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Sounds like the Big Ten could use some help on the basketball side. ;)
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Seems to me that Cinci and SMU are usually the top two in the AAC. Now add Wichita, which will likely be the new front runner. Gotta stop living in the past. Can only hope that this season UConn can start clawing its way back to respectability.
 
buddy said:
Seems to me that Cinci and SMU are usually the top two in the AAC. Now add Wichita, which will likely be the new front runner. Gotta stop living in the past. Can only hope that this season UConn can start clawing its way back to respectability.
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Seems to me Cincinnati, SMU or WS would play 500 ball this season if they had the amount of injuries UCONN had last season.
 
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JeepCSC said:
I get the point. But uneven pods doesn't sound manageable, particularly if nested inside the concept of divisions. It's too clever by half.
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It seems like an excellent idea to me. For the B1G, the two 4-team pods would be the extreme east and west teams, the 6 teams in the middle would make up the two 3-team pods which swap annually between the "East" and "West" divisions.

So, something like:
East Always: Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, Ohio State
West Always: Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Middle Pod C: Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana
Middle Pod D: Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
 
huskymedic said:
ACC Media Days - Day 1
Dr. Saturday‏ @YahooDrSaturday 4m 4 minutes ago
John Swofford: If ND joins a conference between now and 2036, it will be the ACC. (He also said he doesn’t anticipate it happening)

Bryan Fischer‏@BryanDFischer 8m 8 minutes ago
Swofford brings up that if Notre Dame decides to join a conference, it will be the ACC between now and 2035-36 (18 years from now).
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>>Q: Switching gears, what would it take for Notre Dame to join the ACC full time in football?

A: You can always weigh some circumstance that would do it, but we don’t think that way and we are very comfortable with and focused on our independence because of the things it does for the university, not for us. If we didn’t have a broadcast partner, that would be one thing. But we have a great relationship with NBC and look forward to that continuing. I don’t foresee any change in philosophy which would ever cause us to do it.

[On the first day of ACC media days Thursday, conference Commissioner John Swofford was asked this same question. He said Notre Dame joining the ACC as a full member is “not a point of discussion” between the university and the league. "There wasn’t an expectation that at some point in time Notre Dame would ask for full membership in football,” Swofford said. “That is not a point of discussion at this given point in time. Obviously, if Notre Dame reached the point where they wanted to have that discussion, we would readily sit down and speak with them about that."]

Q:Have you found that not having a 13th game or winning a conference is hurting Notre Dame as it pertains to the College Football Playoff?

A: There will be years where not having a conference championship works against us. We understand that, we factor it into our calculus. But, given the schedules we’re building, I’ll be very comfortable arguing most years that our 12 games compare favorably with everybody else’s 13. When you say a 13-game schedule is superior to our 12-game schedule, you have to compare all the games. We’re building schedules that I think will stand up to that comparison well. They’ll be very tough to navigate. No one will ever accuse us of backing in with the schedules we’ve built for the future.<<
 
The lack of a 13th game doesn't hurt ND, the fact that they aren't on the same level as the big boys (not many teams are) is probably the bigger issue. The gap between where the big boys are and where ND is was on display a few years ago when they played Alabama and it looked like a pro team playing a high school team.
 
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HoopsFan21 said:
The lack of a 13th game doesn't hurt ND, the fact that they aren't on the same level as the big boys (not many teams are) is probably the bigger issue. The gap between where the big boys are and where ND is was on display a few years ago when they played Alabama and it looked like a pro team playing a high school team.
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I think anyone would have been destroyed that night by Alabama. Look at the previous year. LSU was held scoreless by Alabama and didn't even cross the fifty yard line in a 21 point loss. Did that mean that LSU's talent level was below the "big boys" or that Alabama was and is on a different level than almost every other school??
 
Who are the "big boys"?

Michigan? Michigan State? LSU? Southern Cal? Oklahoma? (all beaten by Notre Dame in last few years).


Is Ohio State a "big boy" when they got their butt waxed 0-31 by Clemson?
 
So ridiculous. The fact that we get a statement like "our 12 game schedule is comparable to everyone else's 13 game schedule" demonstrates how effed up BCS football is. The beauty contest continues.
 
RioDog said:
So ridiculous. The fact that we get a statement like "our 12 game schedule is comparable to everyone else's 13 game schedule" demonstrates how effed up BCS football is. The beauty contest continues.
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Well, many times that thirteenth game for other schools might be an FCS team, for instance.........
 
TerryD said:
Well, many times that thirteenth game for other schools might be an FCS team, for instance....
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Sure, or it could be a conference championship game against a highly ranked opponent. Pretty silly for anybody, ND included, to believe somehow less is more. I don't care who you are playing, you assume both risk of losing and risk of injury every time you take the field. Teams willing to assume that risk should be given greater consideration. If you are not willing to play in a conference, and compete for its championship, then schedule @ Hawaii every season so you have 13 games to compare to everyone else in the playoff discsussion.
 
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