NCAA Top 16 Reveal set for Thursday Jan 18th

[easttexastrash]

That occurred to me too - that she hasn’t complained. Good for her. Not sure the January “First Reveal” seedings are something anyone complains about anyway (except for Charlie Creme). I trust Kim will not be complaining in March either when she gets sent to Albany as a 3 seed?

Wouldn’t that be awesome. Get these girls out of the south.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

I knew Duke was in, when I saw UGA on the screen. I looked at their remaining schedule... they get Lower Carolina, and Mizzou at home.... and TN on the road. They have a chance to be something like 25-4 or 24-5 headed into the SEC tourney.

Im still not sure if they are any good or not. They only had a 3 point lead @NCAT headed into the 4th quarter... and only won by 10.

When we play at Georgia it's more like a neutral court, kind of like some other games in neighboring states.

 

[southie]

The funny thing is, I haven’t heard any Baylor fans who are upset about this seeding. Nor has Mulkey said anything about it.

Which brings up the question, if Baylor supporters are not upset, why does everyone want to point out why we should be upset?

Wow! Surely you have read the Baylor thread (that you just posted on twice in the last hour or so under a different handle) where the majority of Baylor posters are upset and in disbelief about the #9 ranking.

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[triaddukefan]

When we play at Georgia it's more like a neutral court, kind of like some other games in neighboring states.

 

[easttexastrash]

Wow! Surely you have read the Baylor thread (that you just posted on twice in the last hour or so under a different handle) where the majority of Baylor posters are upset and in disbelief about the #9 ranking.

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You will see multiple posts in that thread saying that we got the seeding that we deserve due to our cup cake schedule.

 

[easttexastrash]

Well, the first #1 seed has taken it on the chin. What does it say about the committee that one of its #1 seeds has already lost?

 

[triaddukefan]

Wow! Surely you have read the Baylor thread (that you just posted on twice in the last hour or so under a different handle) where the majority of Baylor posters are upset and in disbelief about the #9 ranking.

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Some good ol SWC rivals going back and forth on a AAC board

 

[Rsna]

3 in the top 10 have lost. Baylor playing 3 in the top 25 before next reveal so if Baylor runs the table is it enough to replace OR as a 1. Cuz we know Or tenn & Ohio State are dropping

 

[easttexastrash]

Some good ol SWC rivals going back and forth on a AAC board

No more back and forth for me. I have an Ignore option and I’m not afraid to use it whenever I encounter an irritant.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Well, the first #1 seed has taken it on the chin. What does it say about the committee that one of its #1 seeds has already lost?

It says that Corvallis is a tough place to play, that's what it says. Were the #1 seeds from the first reveal supposed to go undefeated for the rest of the season?

 

[JS]

No more back and forth for me. I have an Ignore option and I’m not afraid to use it whenever I encounter an irritant.

Feel free. Beats me having to edit some of the recent posts in this thread to civil them up.

And the edits are because I'm Mr. Nice Guy (or maybe because I share Triad's bemusement).

One-click solutions are easier.

 

[southie]

Mulkey decided to schedule UCLA Stanford and Kentucky. While both Stanford and Kentucky have fallen far short of expectations, is it fair to hold that against the coach as a poor scheduling decision?

Actually, the Kentucky game was sort of forced on Mulkey as part of the SEC/Big 12 challenge. So, no way of knowing if she would have scheduled a weaker/stronger opponent in their place. Texas got Georgia, and Miss. State go Oklahoma State in that same conference challenge.

 

[Plebe]

I think it is worth asking why Duke was not considered yet Georgia is in.

• Duke has a better RPI than Georgia.
• Duke has a better SOS than Georgia (as measured by the RPI)
• Duke is ranked higher by Sagarin than Georgia.
• Duke is ranked higher in the coaches poll than Georgia
• Duke is ranked higher in the AP poll than Georgia

What is the selection committee looking at?

I didn't see the Georgia pick coming at all. I don't know what to say about it other than, the committee must have been *very* impressed with Georgia's win over Texas A&M. It's true that Georgia doesn't have any bad losses (only losses are to Miss St and Texas), while Duke has losses to Miami and Villanova.

 

[Plebe]

No more back and forth for me. I have an Ignore option and I’m not afraid to use it whenever I encounter an irritant.

For someone who claims to not be the least bit bothered by the topic at hand, you sure seem easily irritated about it.

 

[Phil]

I didn't see the Georgia pick coming at all. I don't know what to say about it other than, the committee must have been *very* impressed with Georgia's win over Texas A&M. It's true that Georgia doesn't have any bad losses (only losses are to Miss St and Texas), while Duke has losses to Miami and Villanova.

You could be right, but those two are not exactly chopped liver. Both have been in the top 25, both are likely Tournament teams. Given that the SOS of Duke is so much stronger than Georgia's they are essentially penalizing them for playing a tough schedule. I can't do the math easily, but if you take out those two losses, I wouldn't be surprised if the remaining schedule would still be tougher.

So which is it NCAA - should you schedule tough or not?

 

[Plebe]

You could be right, but those two are not exactly chopped liver. Both have been in the top 25, both are likely Tournament teams. Given that the SOS of Duke is so much stronger than Georgia's they are essentially penalizing them for playing a tough schedule. I can't do the math easily, but if you take out those two losses, I wouldn't be surprised if the remaining schedule would still be tougher.

So which is it NCAA - should you schedule tough or not?

Villanova is in the RPI top 25 right now and so the committee certainly wouldn't consider this a bad loss. Miami, on the other hand, is in the 60s right now. The "top 25" as determined by the AP or coaches' polls are not considered by the committee at all.

Again, I really got nothing. I predicted Duke at #12 and, at the time I made my predictions (which was before the Georgia-A&M game) I didn't even include Georgia among 6 or 7 teams I thought were in contention for the last of the top 16 seeds.

In the past the committee has deviated from RPI and has forgiven teams with weaker SOS by giving precedence to quality wins. But in this case, Georgia's best win (over Texas A&M) is not even as good as Duke's best win (over South Carolina), unless one makes a big deal out of the fact that UGA's win over A&M was on the road.

 

[nwhoopfan]

So which is it NCAA - should you schedule tough or not?

You should be in the SEC. I think that's the main message the committee sent.

 

[easttexastrash]

It says that Corvallis is a tough place to play, that's what it says. Were the #1 seeds from the first reveal supposed to go undefeated for the rest of the season?

It is their 3rd loss of the season. I don’t expect a 1 seed to have that many losses at this point in the season.

 

[Plebe]

It is their 3rd loss of the season. I don’t expect a 1 seed to have that many losses at this point in the season.

But two of those losses were to other #1 seeds. Strength of schedule does matter.

 

[southie]

Well, the first #1 seed has taken it on the chin. What does it say about the committee that one of its #1 seeds has already lost?

Your logic make no sense at all. The four teams in the initial rankings are not all going to go undefeated for the rest of the season. Oregon lost at an arch-rival in a very close game; it happens. Good thing the rankings aren't bothering you.

 

[easttexastrash]

Another “1” bites the dust. Maybe it's hard to have the 1 seed weight on your shoulders.
Baylor will move up to at least 3 in every poll other than the NCAA committee’s ratings. But I guess the committee is proving that there is only one that counts.

I feel like it’s women’s figureskating.

 

[Plebe]

Another “1” bites the dust. Maybe it's hard to have the 1 seed weight on your shoulders.
Baylor will move up to at least 3 in every poll other than the NCAA committee’s ratings. But I guess the committee is proving that there is only one that counts.

I feel like it’s women’s figureskating.

Wow, more whining about the committee from the person who claimed that they didn't care what the committee did.

Kim Mulkey does bear a certain resemblance to Tonya Harding, though.

 

[j66kicker]

Another “1” bites the dust. Maybe it's hard to have the 1 seed weight on your shoulders.
Baylor will move up to at least 3 in every poll other than the NCAA committee’s ratings. But I guess the committee is proving that there is only one that counts.

I feel like it’s women’s figureskating.

Maybe it's like women's figure skating where Baylor has performed very nicely on a routine with a much lower degree of difficulty (Lamar, Coppin State, Central Arkansas, North Dakota, McNeese, Nicholls) than those of the other serious competitors. (Hey, double axel! Wooooo!!!)

 

[nwhoopfan]

Maybe it's hard to have the 1 seed weight on your shoulders.

Do you think the coaches or players really care about the first reveal in mid January? It doesn't mean anything at this point, there is a lot of basketball left to play. Oregon and Louisville didn't lose because of the pressure of being #1 seeds in the early reveal.

 

[easttexastrash]

Do you think the coaches or players really care about the first reveal in mid January? It doesn't mean anything at this point, there is a lot of basketball left to play. Oregon and Louisville didn't lose because of the pressure of being #1 seeds in the early reveal.

Or did they?

 

[nwhoopfan]

Well, Oregon St. has beaten Oregon 14 straight times, and they don't lose very often in Corvallis. Yeah, you're right, Oregon only lost because of that dang #1 seed in the early reveal.

 

[southie]

Another “1” bites the dust. Maybe it's hard to have the 1 seed weight on your shoulders.
Baylor will move up to at least 3 in every poll other than the NCAA committee’s ratings. But I guess the committee is proving that there is only one that counts.

You guys should really listen to this poster. Baylor was a #1 seed the last two seasons in the NCAA tourney and they crumbled under the pressure twice to the #2 seeds despite playing very close to home.

 

[Plebe]

Another “1” bites the dust. Maybe it's hard to have the 1 seed weight on your shoulders.
Baylor will move up to at least 3 in every poll other than the NCAA committee’s ratings. But I guess the committee is proving that there is only one that counts.

I feel like it’s women’s figureskating.

Again, it (apparently) bears repeating for some of the more obstinate kvetchers among us: Baylor is 0-1 against teams currently ranked in the AP top 25. They should consider themselves lucky to be in the top 10 at all.

It's not rocket science. Baylor's seeding will rise if and when they start beating some top 25 teams, which may happen as early as this coming Thursday against Texas.

 

[southie]

It's not rocket science. Baylor's seeding will rise if and when they start beating some top 25 teams, which may happen as early as this coming Thursday against Texas.

Except Baylor's two best non-conference victories this year are against Stanford and Kentucky, and both lost today. Kentucky is 9-11 on the season and has very little chance to make the NCAA tourney.

 

[Plebe]

Except Baylor's two best non-conference victories this year are against Stanford and Kentucky, and both lost today. Kentucky is 9-11 on the season and has very little chance to make the NCAA tourney.

When I say "top 25 teams," I mean teams that will finish the season in the top 25. The committee, of course, will go by RPI and not by polls. Stanford is currently #23 in RPI and Oklahoma is #34. The win over Kentucky is worthless in terms of resume building.

But ... 7 of Baylor's last 11 games are against teams currently in the RPI top 40. If Baylor runs the table they will rise considerably.