NCAA slams Louisville - 2013 banner coming down

[uconnphil2016]

The next NCAA tattoo parlor scandal will be UL paying for Pitino's tattoo removal costs.

 

[B1GEast]

Ouch

 

[freescooter]

I am sorry if I sound naive but what does vacating wins do? I mean, the games happened, you can't take that away. I guess I don't get the punishment. Is there any real impact besides taking down a banner in the arena?

I’m with you. If you want to really penalize them ban them from the tourney for 3-4 years.

Of course people will argue that the players being banned aren’t the ones who cheated but it is the program being penalised.

 

[freescooter]

And do the wins get removed from the opponents' loss columns? And, for that matter, do the Louisville losses get removed from opponents' win columns if the seasons are vacated, or are all games recorded as forfeits in the opponents' favor?

I believe losses remain and wins don’t count so 2013 will go in the books as 0-5 rather than 35-5.

 

[UconnFanNVa]

No post season bans or scolly losses?

 

[BlueDogs]

No future sanctions? Hardly, a deterrent. Reminds of the Olympic Athletes from Russia team but not Team Russia.

 

[Tyler2Rings]

List of teams with the most victories in NCAA Division I men's college basketball - Wikipedia

This is funny. They drop from 10th to 27th in all time wins...just behind the good guys

 

[The Funster]

What's interesting is that Pitino may be liable for the 15M Louisvile will lose as a result of this decision as the NCAA has ruled that Louisvile has to forfeit any tournament money earned from the conference(s) for those years.

Louisvile is being exposed for the cesspool that it is.

I feel bad for the honest, hardworking staff and students of the university. It's a shame that their lives have to be negatively impacted by the sins of a few but Louisvile needs to be bombed back to the stone age athletically.

 

[UConnRock]

NCAA never wants to touch the thing that would make the biggest difference. Take their money. NCAA goes after the small $$ from tournament and bowl revenue, but they need a process to take the teams off TV and relinquish TV related conference revenue.

 

[The Funster]

No future sanctions? Hardly, a deterrent. Reminds of the Olympic Athletes from Russia team but not Team Russia.

They imposed a self ban and missed the 2016 tournament. I think they have reduced schollies for 4 years but am not positive.

 

[huskymedic]

No post season bans or scolly losses?

No future sanctions? Hardly, a deterrent.

They only appealed the vacated title, wins, and the $$ - all previously imposed penalties still stand.

>>Penalties prescribed by the panel include four years of probation for the university; a suspension from the first five Atlantic Coast Conference games of the 2017-18 season for the head coach; a 10-year show-cause order for the former operations director; a one-year show-cause order for a former program assistant; a vacation of basketball records in which student-athletes competed while ineligible from December 2010 and July 2014; men’s basketball scholarship reductions and recruiting restrictions; a fine of $5,000, plus the university must return money received through conference revenue sharing for its appearances in the 2012 to 2015 NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championships. The panel also accepted the university’s self-imposed 2015-16 postseason ban.<<

 

[Hurleyman216]

What are the chances of Michigan State, Arizona, Arkansas, Wichita State, Auburn, Cincy, Tulsa, Temple, UCF, Memphis and Nova vacating wins from this year? If half the teams listed above had to vacate their wins we’d be close to a bubble team!

 

[kobe]

Cronin seems pretty happy in Cincinnati though.

I'm in Cincinnati and am not pretty happy with Cronin though.

 

[Chief00]

More proof that Louisville getting the invitation to the ACC is one of the biggest scandals ever in NCAA history (although surely a step down from the sex assault cases of Penn State, Baylor, Michigan State and others of that ilk).

They cheated, lied and allegedly bribed their way in - shows that trying to do it the right way does not work. Sure, there has been room to hate on Herbst and Hathaway/Manuel. But I submit once again that they had to be willing to get in the mud to win that invitation, and they were not willing to go there.

I for one have pushed the narrative in other threads over the last few years that Florida State and Clemson along with Boston College and Syracuse played a major role in keeping us out, and there is plenty of evidence to back up that angle of how Louisville was chosen over us. But it is also crystal clear that Louisville sold their souls in so many ways to get there.

Just proves that guys like ACC Commissioner John Swofford, many of the ACC school Presidents combined with Jurich and Pitino are some of the dirtiest, scummiest people out there. And what do they all have in common? They have all lined their pockets by using and abusing this system of exploitation they themselves helped to propagate.

God, I hate this whole damn intercollegiate athletic system. It has gone a long way to ruining what was one of the fun parts of my life since starting college - rooting for our beloved UConn Huskies. The highest rewards continually go to the biggest cheaters - and most if not all of the collateral damage seems to fall on the innocent people, and not the perpetrators themselves.

And before anyone points out that "they took away the title and the Final Four appearance from the year before in addition to Pitino and Jurich getting fired last September" as if this is some kind of significant retribution, just remember that Pitino still has his millions of dollars earned through his continual misdeeds and malfeasance, AND he is still a member in good standing of The Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame - and I'll wager they never kick him out, either. Jurich still has his millions, too.

Pathetic and Disgusting... and yet the beat goes on.

Miami played a role too.

 

[intlzncster]

2) The fact that there's a good chance every major college program has done, or continues to do, the same things that got Louisville in trouble.
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While your overall point isn't off, I'm thinking that a professional prostitute ring run by the coaching staff and sponsored by the athletic budget ain't all that common.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Vacating wins. Lol, if anyone asks who won in 2013, the answer will always be Louisville, it’s not like they’re taking back the rings. If we end up vacating 2014 because of our investigation, we’ll know they aren’t actually removing our history. What a joke.

 

[BugsyCT]

I really hope we’re clean now.

 

[KemBaller]

All the basketball talking heads continually credit Cal with Final Fours that have been vacated. Doesn't change a thing.

Nobody really takes the NCAA seriously except themselves.

 

[jibsey]

Did North Carolina keep players who won a title eligible by sham courses?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

While your overall point isn't off, I'm thinking that a professional prostitute ring run by the coaching staff and sponsored by the athletic budget ain't all that common.

What do you call "Campus Recruiting Hostesses"? It doesn't absolve Louisville, it's more of an indictment on college athletics than anything.

If UConn had lost the 2013 title game to Louisville we would all scream foul. Cheaters don't deserve trophies and accolades. Now if every D1 school is discovered to have cheated, that's a different story.

How did they cheat? Use 6 men on the floor? Get extra timeouts? Please.

 

[auror]

How did they cheat? Use 6 men on the floor? Get extra timeouts? Please.

They provided impermissible benefits. It's the same as paying players. They gained an illegal advantage (in this case, a recruiting advantage) over those who did not do so. Cheating.

 

[freescooter]

Bogus penalty by a bogus institution for a bogus basketball program. I agree that a ban from tv coupled with a tournament ban for a while would be much more legitimate. This vacating games is the NCAA equivalent of telling a 14 year old he isn’t allowed to take your car for a week.

 

[CL82]

i mean, according to the penalties, louisville was never even in the aac!

The NCAA threw them a bone.

 

[CL82]

Who cares? Doesn't change the fact they won.

....by cheating. No it doesn't change that, if that's important to you.

How did they cheat? Use 6 men on the floor? Get extra timeouts? Please.

By providing impermissible benefits under NCAA rules.

 

[UConnRock]

They provided impermissible benefits. It's the same as paying players. They gained an illegal advantage (in this case, a recruiting advantage) over those who did not do so. Cheating.

Where L'ville failed was not providing prostitutes and associated benefits to the full student body. That is how UNC go away with their bogus courses. If L'ville could have provided sufficient documentation that there were non-athlete students given free prostitutes they would not be facing any of these penalties.