NCAA rules on SC's Cooper

[BroadwayVa]

The decisions, for or against, are so random. I don't think players should have to sit for a year. Students on academic scholarships don't have to sit out of their major for a year if they transfer. The NCAA promotes this bogus argument that they're "for" student athletes, but they're not; they're "for" making money and their member institutions making money.

I tend to agree with this posting on the basis : No decisions involving young adults should be "random" to the extent possible, which means full and complete rules for transfer should be published. Without exceptions. EXCEPTIONS are always questionable, up for bias, special treatment--or the image of .

 

[MSGRET]

If I remember correctly, the team that the person is transferring from also has insight on the waiver. I had read somewhere where Nebraska did not oppose Shepard playing right away. While I betcha Tenn did oppose Cooper playing without sitting a year.

 

[UConnNick]

But one has to wonder why the NCAA granted the waiver to ND and not to USC.What could have been the differences and deciding factors in the 2 cases? I can't blame Dawn for being a little angry.

Very simple. ND makes more $$$ for the NCAA than SC does. These things really aren't complicated.

 

[HoopsFan21]

Time for the NCAA to go. What do they actually do and why do we need them?

 

[CocoHusky]

Very simple. ND makes more $$$ for the NCAA than SC does. These things really aren't complicated.

Not so simple, Texas and Ohio State are top 2 money makers. Ohio State has more WCBB transfers than anyone, yet every tOSU and Texas transfer for WBB has had to sit.
FSU is middle of the money pack some FSU transfers like Imani Wright had to sit while others Romero and White were immediately eligible. Money is clearly not the explanation.
The 27 schools that make at least $100 million in college sports

 

[Gamecockfan77]

The decisions, for or against, are so random. I don't think players should have to sit for a year. Students on academic scholarships don't have to sit out of their major for a year if they transfer. The NCAA promotes this bogus argument that they're "for" student athletes, but they're not; they're "for" making money and their member institutions making money.

I like players having to sit out a season, but coaches should have no ability to limit transfer destinations and I think they ought to look at exempting the sit out season from eligibility limitations (i.e. sitting out a season should not count against your 5 to play 4).

It's an instance where the schools that have provided scholarships are probably deserving of a little protection against poaching, but you should definitely let players leave if they have a mind to.

 

[DefenseBB]

While looking at the HoopGurlz ratings from 2014, I was reminded of Chatrice White who initially went to Illinois under Matt Bollant. However after her sophomore year and amid racial discrimination charges (some other stuff too), White asked for and got a release from Illinois (April 2016). It was reported that her father said she did not transfer due to the charges and just wanted to compete in the postseason somewhere. She enrolled at FSU and immediately applied for a waiver. The waiver was granted on Sept 26th 2016.

I bring this up as the NCAA has been on record as doing this for players (maybe it's just players from Nebraska???) when there has been disharmony in programs and the player was deemed a good soldier.

Bollant was summarily dismissed in March 2017 with one year left on his contract. So to me, the NCAA has been fair to students and not biased towards "programs".

SC was reaching too far on this one due to Cooper's own behavior.

This did lead me to wonder about Natalie Butler who left Georgetown after their coaching shakeup and Z leaving Duke after that flair-up and if they applied, would they have been granted immediate eligibility?

 

[CocoHusky]

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I bring this up as the NCAA has been on record as doing this for players (maybe it's just players from Nebraska???) when there has been disharmony in programs and the player was deemed a good soldier.

Bollant was summarily dismissed in March 2017 with one year left on his contract. So to me, the NCAA has been fair to students and not biased towards "programs".

Couple of knowledge gaps here:
Bollant initially survived the discriminations allegations and law suit and was allowed to coach an addition year at Illinois. Only an assistant coach was fired I believe. One of the people making the allegations was Taylor Tuck, Morgan's sister. Taylor graduated from Illinois. Two other Illinois players Jacqui Grant & Amarah Coleman transferred to DePaul. A third Illinois player Taylor Gleason transferring to Oakland University. ALL three Illinois players involved in the discrimination suit against Bollant had to sit out a year after transferring.

Chatrice White & Brooke Kissinger played an additional season after the discrimination charges against Bollant. Kissinger transferred to Creighton at the same time Chatrice transferred to FSU. Kissinger had to sit a year at Creighton, White was granted a waiver request by the NCAA. White & her father vocally supported Bollant. Illinois "likely" supported White’s waiver request -aka thanks for supporting the coach. The NCAA is not being biased IMO it is being stupid. If the circumstances were bad enough for White to get a waiver then it should have been bad enough to grant the players involved in the suit the same protection. In fairness I have no idea if Kissinger or any of the other players involved in the suit requested a waiver. Regardless, it is not a good luck when the only person transferring that receives a waiver is the one that so vocally supported the coach.

This did lead me to wonder about Natalie Butler who left Georgetown after their coaching shakeup and Z leaving Duke after that flair-up and if they applied, would they have been granted immediate eligibility?

Natalie Butler was not the only player to transfer from Georgetown as a result of that very messy coaching situation in Nat's Freshmen year. Shyla Cooper also transferred to tOSU after the first semester. Both Shyla and Natalie had to sit a year so there is at least consistency. To the best of my knowledge neither player pursued a waiver request. Regarding Azura Geno was quoted as saying UCONN looked into the waiver request and decided not to pursue it because “there was nothing there and it would have been dishonest to make someone think there was.”

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Regarding Azura Geno was quoted as saying UCONN looked into the waiver request and decided not to pursue it because “there was nothing there and it would have been dishonest to make someone think there was.”

That could be a relatively pointed thing to say perhaps.

I get the sense more and more programs are pushing the hardship waiver in WBB. Strange because it isn’t really happening much in the major men’s sports.

The waiver parameters need to be better defined and more consistently applied. So a rule change seems like the thing if that’s where they are going with it.

I hate to be more restrictive but what’s the sense in the rule if it’s going to apply to matters of convenience or be up to the former school’s recommendation.

NCAA needs to figure out whose interests they are looking out for and hold a line somewhere.

 

[cbraarj]

I don't blame ND directly nor am I implying that they did anything wrong. I just believe some schools are treated "special" solely based upon their reputation and the money that they probably make for the NCAA. Just my opinion.

North Carolina anyone