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NCAA first seeding reveal

Oregon State's Pac-12 schedule as a whole is brutal, with 10 of their 18 games against Stanford, UCLA, USC, Colorado, and Utah. And yet they're 9-3 and went 4-0 against the Mountain schools.

Their toughest road games are behind them. They get the LA schools and Stanford at home and I like their chances with how they're playing.
Given how Oregon St has been playing, their remaining schedule also gives them a lot of opportunity to move up to a #2 seed, if not a #1 seed if they truly run the table and beat UCLA, USC, and Stanford all at home [daunting but far from unfathomable].
 
Meyers...I get what you are saying [I think]. My main point remains...there will be an NCAA final four team coming from Albany with the good fortune of not playing South Carolina...it will be the winner of the 4 team pod that does not
include South Carolina. I don't know whether it is inevitable that UConn is in their pod [assuming UConn wins
in Storrs]. Rankings could change....the NCAA could bump rankings up or down a bit to try and eliminate early
round conference foes....whatever strategies the NCAA thinks is appropriate....etc.

We shall see when we shall see.
 
I keep wondering how that happened? Is that a fluke or preferential treatment? Seems unfair.

I don't know. It could be a fluke of a rotational plan. Or it could be designed to help the top teams achieve a better record. The conference groups schools in pairs for travel purposes, so missing UCLA also means missing USC, for example.

Note that the SEC has done the same thing. Why does SC play LSU only 1x in the regular season for the 2nd year in a row?
 
It will be interesting to see whether UCONN basketball has any competitive edge left at both the coaching and player level; will the Huskies reach to realize the promise of its highly touted recruits (well-above Big East threshold) or resign itself to top-20 satisfaction excused by injury and roster attrition.
I haven't seen anything from the coaches that would indicate they are playing for the NC. I think they are going with option B on your list. They will need a real lucky draw of teams with no length to get to the final weekend this year.
 
I don't know. It could be a fluke of a rotational plan. Or it could be designed to help the top teams achieve a better record. The conference groups schools in pairs for travel purposes, so missing UCLA also means missing USC, for example.

Note that the SEC has done the same thing. Why does SC play LSU only 1x in the regular season for the 2nd year in a row?
LSU is in the West and SC is in the East. They will however play again in the SEC Tournament if both teams win.
 
The Big East is not helping this season. UConn has been beaten badly by the better teams but crushed every team in league play. They will win out and will win every game by a sizable margin but I don't see them moving up to the 2 line at all. The reality though is being a 2 or 3 doesn't matter as long as the match up is favorable. UConn to me has no scenario where they compete with SC so they will have to hope they end up in a different region and hope someone else can knock them off.

LSU was not the best team last year and won so it is possible. If Ice can build on her last couple games and be a consistent force in the tournament that would help immensely.
 
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If UConn is assigned to Albany for the Sweet 16 (that's good), that means an early rematch with SC (that's bad). On the other hand, if we have to go to Portland for the Sweet 16 (not great), we risk repeating our early-exit experience of last year (even worse). As Bill Bendix (in "Life of Reilly") used to say, "What a revoltin' development THIS is."
 
Meyers...I get what you are saying [I think]. My main point remains...there will be an NCAA final four team coming from Albany with the good fortune of not playing South Carolina...it will be the winner of the 4 team pod that does not
include South Carolina. I don't know whether it is inevitable that UConn is in their pod [assuming UConn wins
in Storrs]. Rankings could change....the NCAA could bump rankings up or down a bit to try and eliminate early
round conference foes....whatever strategies the NCAA thinks is appropriate....etc.

We shall see when we shall see.
It's not inevitable but if we assume that the committee will try to put UConn in an Albany bracket then the odds are about 50% that it'll be SC's bracket.
 
I don't know. It could be a fluke of a rotational plan. Or it could be designed to help the top teams achieve a better record. The conference groups schools in pairs for travel purposes, so missing UCLA also means missing USC, for example.

Note that the SEC has done the same thing. Why does SC play LSU only 1x in the regular season for the 2nd year in a row?
You aren't a football fan are you? The SEC always protects its projected national championship contenders. (Refs too)
 
Meyers...I get what you are saying [I think]. My main point remains...there will be an NCAA final four team coming from Albany with the good fortune of not playing South Carolina...it will be the winner of the 4 team pod that does not
include South Carolina. I don't know whether it is inevitable that UConn is in their pod [assuming UConn wins
in Storrs]. Rankings could change....the NCAA could bump rankings up or down a bit to try and eliminate early
round conference foes....whatever strategies the NCAA thinks is appropriate....etc.

We shall see when we shall see.
Yea, but we were talking about this reveal.
 
Plebe: you are correct. There will be 4 one seeds...each regional will get 2. As of now the reveal shows South
Carolina/Stanford/Colorado and Ohio State. South Carolina a one seed to Albany....maybe Ohio State to Albany as a one
seed due to distance. We get put in the Ohio State pod with our 3 seed. Make it to the final 8 [no easy task] and we meet OSU for a final 4 berth....a huge accomplishment in itself due to our injuries.

BTW: OSU has beaten Iowa once so far...don't know if they still have a regular season game at Iowa. An Iowa/OSU Big 10 tourney ring game might well be another OSU/Iowa...high ratings coming! If we stay 3 in Albany with Carolina in the other 4 team pod, we might be facing a 2 seeded sweet 16 game with either Iowa or OSU....and a final 8 game against the other. CC is college basketball's hot topic [deservedly so]. Bring Iowa against Paige and UConn in Albany....a big deal!

BTW#2: since we are aware of the NCAA affection for money I think they would be happy to have UConn fans stay in Albany for 3 days and not one...if we get a bit of an edge somewhere with that being a factor...I'll take it.

Charlie seems to be predicting [guessing] our involvement with Carolina at this point....hope he is wrong.
 
Plebe: you are correct. There will be 4 one seeds...each regional will get 2. As of now the reveal shows South
Carolina/Stanford/Colorado and Ohio State. South Carolina a one seed to Albany....maybe Ohio State to Albany as a one
seed due to distance. We get put in the Ohio State pod with our 3 seed. Make it to the final 8 [no easy task] and we meet OSU for a final 4 berth....a huge accomplishment in itself due to our injuries.

BTW: OSU has beaten Iowa once so far...don't know if they still have a regular season game at Iowa. An Iowa/OSU Big 10 tourney ring game might well be another OSU/Iowa...high ratings coming! If we stay 3 in Albany with Carolina in the other 4 team pod, we might be facing a 2 seeded sweet 16 game with either Iowa or OSU....and a final 8 game against the other. CC is college basketball's hot topic [deservedly so]. Bring Iowa against Paige and UConn in Albany....a big deal!

BTW#2: since we are aware of the NCAA affection for money I think they would be happy to have UConn fans stay in Albany for 3 days and not one...if we get a bit of an edge somewhere with that being a factor...I'll take it.

Charlie seems to be predicting [guessing] our involvement with Carolina at this point....hope he is wrong.
The Top 16 wasn’t generated by Charlie Creme, it was by the NCAA committee
 
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It will be interesting to see whether UCONN basketball has any competitive edge left at both the coaching and player level; will the Huskies reach to realize the promise of its highly touted recruits (well-above Big East threshold) or resign itself to top-20 satisfaction excused by injury and roster attrition.
This is not an excuse--it's a fact. The Talent that SITS is "almost" equal to those on the floor. Those that can't play, in area's exceeds those on the floor.
De Berry, in HS was an excellent shooter and played a lot of time under the basket. What happened?
The Walking wounded are a talented lot. Will they play and should they play what shall be their "out put"?

I don't fall into either of 2 classes. !. Geno should retire 2. Geno can do no wrong. For decades I have contended--Geno is Human with all the faults of a human, all the failures--but way many more successes than the average (or best) human coaches. Geno shall retire--I believe--after his next NC. Next Year???
 
I keep wondering how that happened? Is that a fluke or preferential treatment? Seems unfair.
It was just how the cookie crumbled this season.

Each Pac-12 team plays its nearby "rival" counterpart twice each season. For the other 5 pairs of opponents, they rotate year to year as to which 3 they play twice and which 2 they play only once.
 
I don't know. It could be a fluke of a rotational plan. Or it could be designed to help the top teams achieve a better record. The conference groups schools in pairs for travel purposes, so missing UCLA also means missing USC, for example.

Note that the SEC has done the same thing. Why does SC play LSU only 1x in the regular season for the 2nd year in a row?
Good point. Interesting too I just heard Dawn Staley complain about their schedule that they will be playing Tennessee again shortly, so close in time, and also maybe in their upcoming tournament. She was knocking their schedulers. You have to wonder why LSU gets a pass for two years. Something doesn’t seem right.
 
It was just how the cookie crumbled this season.

Each Pac-12 team plays its nearby "rival" counterpart twice each season. For the other 5 pairs of opponents, they rotate year to year as to which 3 they play twice and which 2 they play only once.
My gut tells me some preferential treatment for Tara the year she’s going to hit some records. Maybe I’m wrong but Tara got the larger of the cookie crumbles.
 
Good point. Interesting too I just heard Dawn Staley complain about their schedule that they will be playing Tennessee again shortly, so close in time, and also maybe in their upcoming tournament. She was knocking their schedulers. You have to wonder why LSU gets a pass for two years. Something doesn’t seem right.
SEC has 14 teams and plays a 16-game schedule, and each team has one opponent they play twice every year. For LSU that team is Texas A&M. That leaves only 2 out of the other 12 teams that LSU plays twice in a given year, so if the rotation is done evenly they'll play a given opponent twice every 6th season.

I believe SC and LSU last played each other twice in the 2021 regular season. I'm willing to bet that means they also played each other twice in 2015, based on the aforementioned 6-year cycle.

My gut tells me some preferential treatment for Tara the year she’s going to hit some records. Maybe I’m wrong but Tara got the larger of the cookie crumbles.
Interesting. My gut tells me it's time to eat some brisket, but my brain and my memory tell me that Stanford has had plenty of seasons where they had a tougher-than-average P12 slate. Also, she broke the record on January 21, after taking a loss at Colorado, which tells me the conference schedule wouldn't have made more than a 1 or at most 2 week difference in the timing.
 
We ran a Pre-reveal poll on the General Board.

Below are the results of our poll compared to the committee poll, the NET rankings and the AP poll. Interestingly, Our poll and the Committed hit 8 exact rankings and fifteen out of 16 inexact choices!

Committee------------Boneyard Poll-----------NET---------------AP Poll

1 SCar-----------------SCar---------------------SCar--------------SCar
2 Stan-----------------Stanford----------------Stanford----------Ohio State
3 Ohio State-------- Ohio State-------------- UConn------------Stanford
4 Colorado-----------Iowa---------------------- Texas--------------Iowa
5. Iowa----------------Texas--------------------- Iowa---------------Texas
6 NCSt---------------- NC State----------------Utah*---------------NC State
7 ucla----------------- UCLA------------------- UCLA--------------K-State
8 Texas ----------------Colorado----------------Ohio State---------- Colorado
9 Southern Cal-------- LSU----------------------LSU----------------- UCLA
10 VaTech--------------Indiana------------------ NC State----------- Southern Cal
11 Oregon st--------- Oregon State----------- Gonzaga----------- Oregon State
12 UConn-------------UConn------------------- Indiana--------------VaTech
13 K-State-------------K-State------------------Notre Dame*--------LSU
14 LSU --------------- VaTech-------------------- K-State--------------Indiana
15 Indiana------------ Southern Cal-------------- Colorado-----------UConn

16 Louisville-----------Gonzaga------------------Southern Cal--------Notre Dame
 
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Won't there be two one seeds in Albany....one in each 4 team pod?
If we remain a 3 seed in South Carolina's pod...we might meet them there.
Is it just as reasonable...as Plebe says [I think]... that we might be the 3 seed in the
other 4 team pod...meeting the other one seed?
 
This is a gross distortion of the S-curve, which should put the 12th overall team in the same bracket as 4 and 5.
 
Won't there be two one seeds in Albany....one in each 4 team pod?
If we remain a 3 seed in South Carolina's pod...we might meet them there.
Is it just as reasonable...as Plebe says [I think]... that we might be the 3 seed in the
other 4 team pod...meeting the other one seed?
Yes, as I mentioned earlier, it's probably about 50/50 odds whether we'll be in SC's bracket in Albany or in the other Albany bracket.

Of course, for that to even matter at all we'd need to win the first two rounds AND the sweet 16 game, neither of which is a foregone conclusion.

It's also entirely possible that UConn falls to a high 4 seed, which if anything might increase our odds of being placed in the non-SC Albany bracket.
 
This is a gross distortion of the S-curve, which should put the 12th overall team in the same bracket as 4 and 5.
Some departure from the S-curve is necessitated by the rule that the top 4 Pac-12 schools have to be in separate regionals. UCLA (#7) could not be with Stanford (#2); they were moved to S. Carolina's bracket instead. That then forced USC (#9), as the 4th Pac-12 team, into Ohio State's bracket as the #3 seed. This in turn meant the only landing spot in Albany for UConn as a #3 seed was SC's bracket.

The committee could have put Virginia Tech in Albany and sent UConn out to Portland instead, but they most likely to want to keep UConn in Albany.
 
All of this idle speculation assumes that the seeding holds, but a 3 seed could end up playing a 15-seed in the Sweet 16 and a 16-seed in the Elite 8. This reveal and any seeding -- especially in this year of upsets -- doesn't have a lot of meaning.
 
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I keep wondering how that happened? Is that a fluke or preferential treatment? Seems unfair.
It's one of the things I hate about big conferences. I prefer the old days when the PAC-12 teams did a home and away, but teams want two more non-conference games. For several years before this year, they didn't play one travel pair twice; this year, two travel pairs didn't play twice. This year UCLA, USC, Colorado, and Utah. Last year, they only played Oregon and Oregon State once. In the 21-22 season, they only played Arizona and Arizona State twice. In 2020 they only played Washington and Washington State once. In 2019 they only played Utah and Colorado once.

So looks like Utah and Colorado were due up for skipping the home and away this year. Not sure how going to play four teams once this year and the Covid year (where they played everyone in the league twice) affected the rotation.
 
We ran a Pre-reveal poll on the General Board.

Below are the results of our poll compared to the committee poll, the NET rankings and the AP poll. Interestingly, Our poll and the Committed hit 8 exact rankings and fifteen out of 16 inexact choices!

Committee------------Boneyard Poll-----------NET---------------AP Poll

1 SCar-----------------SCar---------------------SCar--------------SCar
2 Stan-----------------Stanford----------------Stanford----------Ohio State
3 Ohio State-------- Ohio State-------------- UConn------------Stanford
4 Colorado-----------Iowa---------------------- Texas--------------Iowa
5. Iowa----------------Texas--------------------- Iowa---------------Texas
6 NCSt---------------- NC State----------------Utah*---------------NC State
7 ucla----------------- UCLA------------------- UCLA--------------K-State
8 Texas ----------------Colorado----------------Ohio State---------- Colorado
9 Southern Cal-------- LSU----------------------LSU----------------- UCLA
10 VaTech--------------Indiana------------------ NC State----------- Southern Cal
11 Oregon st--------- Oregon State----------- Gonzaga----------- Oregon State
12 UConn-------------UConn------------------- Indiana--------------VaTech
13 K-State-------------K-State------------------Notre Dame*--------LSU
14 LSU --------------- VaTech-------------------- K-State--------------Indiana
15 Indiana------------ Southern Cal-------------- Colorado-----------UConn

16 Louisville-----------Gonzaga------------------Southern Cal--------Notre Dame
So much for the all important NET. Anyone still believe that the NET is a major determining factor for the committee? Let's not forget that the committee is made up of human beings. If they were computers there would be no need for a "committee". I don't have too much of a problem with #12 except I think that there are 2 or 3 teams above UConn that are possibly overrated.

#11 Oregon St. not in the NET top 16. Utah #6 in the NET is not in the committee top 16. #4 Colorado is #15 in the NET. Obviously the NET means next to nothing.
 
So much for the all important NET. Anyone still believe that the NET is a major determining factor for the committee? Let's not forget that the committee is made up of human beings. If they were computers there would be no need for a "committee". I don't have too much of a problem with #12 except I think that there are 2 or 3 teams above UConn that are possibly overrated.

#11 Oregon St. not in the NET top 16. Utah #6 in the NET is not in the committee top 16. #4 Colorado is #15 in the NET. Obviously the NET means next to nothing.
NET was never a major determining factor, it’s one of the factors. The discussion about NET started because some UConn fans were upset about polls and others pointed out the polls have nothing to do with seeding and that the NET was more important.

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Looks like the Big East will only have at the MAX 3 teams in the dance. Villanova lost to Butler today, who is ranked #138 by Massey.
 
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