NCAA D1 Player of the Year Poll

[UcMiami]

Sorry, UcMiami, Lou dose not tie NCAA record. Her record is : 10-10 3pts in 28 mins not in 40 mins. (and she was allowed to play only 28 mins)

And how many minutes did the guy play? She played a game of basketball and shot ten threes and made ten threes, they do not record the shots per minute in basketball games, only in three point shooting contests. She set a women's NCAA record for consecutive threes in a single game, and a volume/percentage record for threes in a game (previous being nine for nine. She tied the men's NCAA record and no man or woman in the NBA or WNBA has ever done it. It is possible that some HS kid of either gender has but who knows. I think Lou also holds the USA basketball record for consecutive threes and volume/percentage threes for either gender and any age group with her U16 8 for 8 outing - in that outing she was also perfect for the night as she only shot threes - no two pointers or foul shots. She does not (yet) own the UConn record for consecutive threes across games which belongs to CD2 over the space of three games.

 

[SVCBeercats]

I think KLS vs. Plum is the wrong argument. It should be Collier vs. Plum or even Gabby. I would be interested to see how the poll would have gone with Collier's name in the list.

I agree with you. For my money both Collier and Williams are better than KLS. Not that she is bad. She is very, very good. Just not as good as Collier and Williams. With KLS out of the lineup UCONN stills functions quite well. When Collier is out, I believe UCONN plays at a lower level. Same with Williams but to a lesser degree. They bring the total package. KLS has improved in all areas but is not on their level as the total player. These are my opinions and only opinions.

 

[BroadwayVa]

With me if it's even close I go with the senior. Lou has 2 more years and a championship under her belt. College ball is where women get their hour in the sun. Let's let Plum enjoy hers.

So the award isn't about abilities ---it's about compassion and seniority?? Almost kidding here--but seriously, it is no award if the RIGHT player doesn't get it. In My less than humble opinion--Katie Lou is a better all around player/scorer than Plum. What makes a Player is all those things not in the stats --picks-seeing the play develop, noticing what the defense is doing , seeing what the offense is trying to do. Knowing your teammates faults and abilities and using them. To me everyone of the 5 starters know that better than Plum. Yes I think she a great scorer and will bring that to the WNBA and Europe--that's her reward--

 

[BroadwayVa]

I hope you have other reasons.
Lou has 2 more years and a championship under her belt ==>those are not the good reasons not to select Katie Lou.

Since they won't allow players to join a union--then seniority should not count --if a freshman is the best player --she should be player of the year--throw away the seniority issue. If a top frosh or soph player should win the award--but breaks her leg the next year and cannot play--she was cheated out of what rightfully should have been hers.

 

[Bliss]

[QUOTE="ericsandiego, post: 2086213, member: 26
Players off the top of my head who have played better and have better stats:

Kelsey Plum
KLS
Collier
Alexis Peterson
Kristin Anigwe
Tori Jankowska
Nia Coffey
Brionna Jones
Brittany Sykes
Taniya Page
Katija Laska
Asia Durr
Shatori Walker-Kimbrough
Lexi Brown

IMO Tori Jankoska is a can't-miss WNBA player; tough, quick, good D, and a prolific scorer. She's about 5'8" tall and that might hurt her pro game a little but there's a lot of "small" women who do very well. Looking forward to watching her this summer.

 

[1-of-the-6]

So the award isn't about abilities ---it's about compassion and seniority?? Almost kidding here--but seriously, it is no award if the RIGHT player doesn't get it. In My less than humble opinion--Katie Lou is a better all around player/scorer than Plum. What makes a Player is all those things not in the stats --picks-seeing the play develop, noticing what the defense is doing , seeing what the offense is trying to do. Knowing your teammates faults and abilities and using them. To me everyone of the 5 starters know that better than Plum. Yes I think she a great scorer and will bring that to the WNBA and Europe--that's her reward--

How many games have you watched Plum play this season?

 

[Mdoggie]

I repeat Lou is nice but youre kidding yourself if you truly think her skill set is better then Plum. Plums handles are better. Her stop and pop is nice and she is hard to guard being a lefty. I love Uconn but like I said before Plum ain't no one trick pony. I kinda think some of your opinions would be different if KP was with Uconn.

 

[JordyG]

So the award isn't about abilities ---it's about compassion and seniority?? Almost kidding here--but seriously, it is no award if the RIGHT player doesn't get it. In My less than humble opinion--Katie Lou is a better all around player/scorer than Plum. What makes a Player is all those things not in the stats --picks-seeing the play develop, noticing what the defense is doing , seeing what the offense is trying to do. Knowing your teammates faults and abilities and using them. To me everyone of the 5 starters know that better than Plum. Yes I think she a great scorer and will bring that to the WNBA and Europe--that's her reward--

Well I said if it's even close. For me it's not. Without Plum Washington, to me, is a mediocre team that would fail to make the NCAA's. Without KLS UConn is still very good although not a championship contender, but they get to go to Dallas. As Uc's post above clearly indicates with the numbers of her offensive skills and efficiency, Plum means more to that Washington team.

 

[bizarro aj]

The only problem i have with plum is what are her numbers against top 10 teams? We know they are affraid to play the best team in wcbb, but how do you think she would do against the best defense that uconn brings to games?

 

[chrissaran]

With Katie Lou out of the lineup - you do realize she's played the most minutes - they would clog the paint, and it would be much more difficult for Napheesa and Gabby to score. Yes, UConn has other players that can shoot the 3, but none of them can light it up like Katie Lou did Monday night. Who else do the opponents grab and bump and push as much as Katie Lou when she's trying to cut? How many players do you know who played an entire half with a broken bone in their foot, and had it been up to Katie Lou, she would have finished the game and played in the NC, and who threw up on the sideline and came back on the court to be the leading scorer. They're all irreplaceable in their own way.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Well I said if it's even close. For me it's not. Without Plum Washington, to me, is a mediocre team that would fail to make the NCAA's. Without KLS UConn is still very good although not a championship contender, but they get to go to Dallas. As Uc's post above clearly indicates with the numbers of her offensive skills and efficiency, Plum means more to that Washington team.

I completely agree--Plum and Osahor mean more to that team than a single player (of Katie Lou, Gabby, Naphesa, Saniya, Kia) means to Uconn , although in tight games I want all of them in it.
As far as those polled to obtain the award for Player of the Year--since I don't have the list of attributes they shall vote on--I can only present my opinion/desire for a Uconn kid to be selected--my belief is this whole team has won it.

 

[BroadwayVa]

I repeat Lou is nice but youre kidding yourself if you truly think her skill set is better then Plum. Plums handles are better. Her stop and pop is nice and she is hard to guard being a lefty. I love Uconn but like I said before Plum ain't no one trick pony. I kinda think some of your opinions would be different if KP was with Uconn.

Have you noticed Lou's Stop and Pop--or catch and shoot?/ Lou presents to Uconn a player who knows the game, the defenses, does the picking needed, she does all those little things that never show up in the stats and with that fill up the stats with 3's made, points, assists, and a few rebound and steals---no Lou does not mean more to Uconn than Plum to Wash--so Lou's number will never be as large as STARS on other teams--rarely does a Uconn kid fill up the record books--Geno's method is to spread the wealth--when he has no choice, like when Maya played she filled the books--Geno wants all 5 working the game winning processes, thus no one player fills the stat sheets.
If Katie lou played for another coach in the USF game she would not have been stopped at 40--as hot as she was--60 and beyond was possible--but Geno thinks of the next game, or past record setters..

 

[1-of-the-6]

The only problem i have with plum is what are her numbers against top 10 teams? We know they are affraid to play the best team in wcbb, but how do you think she would do against the best defense that uconn brings to games?

You know "they are afraid" to play UCONN? Is this insider information? Comments such as these drive me crazy, because they're total bullshit. End of discussion.

 

[BroadwayVa]

How many games have you watched Plum play this season?

Too many.

 

[1-of-the-6]

Have you noticed Lou's Stop and Pop--or catch and shoot?/ Lou presents to Uconn a player who knows the game, the defenses, does the picking needed, she does all those little things that never show up in the stats and with that fill up the stats with 3's made, points, assists, and a few rebound and steals---no Lou does not mean more to Uconn than Plum to Wash--so Lou's number will never be as large as STARS on other teams--rarely does a Uconn kid fill up the record books--Geno's method is to spread the wealth--when he has no choice, like when Maya played she filled the books--Geno wants all 5 working the game winning processes, thus no one player fills the stat sheets.
If Katie lou played for another coach in the USF game she would not have been stopped at 40--as hot as she was--60 and beyond was possible--but Geno thinks of the next game, or past record setters..

You really need to take off your UCONN blinders. [ ]

 

[1-of-the-6]

Too many.

None, is my guess.

 

[nwhoopfan]

So the award isn't about abilities ---it's about compassion and seniority?? Almost kidding here--but seriously, it is no award if the RIGHT player doesn't get it. In My less than humble opinion--Katie Lou is a better all around player/scorer than Plum. What makes a Player is all those things not in the stats --picks-seeing the play develop, noticing what the defense is doing , seeing what the offense is trying to do. Knowing your teammates faults and abilities and using them. To me everyone of the 5 starters know that better than Plum. Yes I think she a great scorer and will bring that to the WNBA and Europe--that's her reward--

You quite clearly haven't seen Plum play. At all. Literally nothing you say about her is true. Not one thing.

 

[nwhoopfan]

The only problem i have with plum is what are her numbers against top 10 teams? We know they are affraid to play the best team in wcbb, but how do you think she would do against the best defense that uconn brings to games?

Oregon St., Stanford and UCLA all spent time in the top 10 this year. UW played all of those teams. Plum torched UCLA twice and Stanford once, the only team she struggled somewhat against was Oregon St.

 

[triaddukefan]

Oregon St., Stanford and UCLA all spent time in the top 10 this year. UW played all of those teams. Plum torched UCLA twice and Stanford once, the only team she struggled somewhat against was Oregon St.

And they played at ND. No idea how she did in that game though.

 

[Kaizen]

You really need to take off your UCONN blinders.

[ ]
There's a whole world out there that you're missing too ...

 

[Plebe]

Have you noticed Lou's Stop and Pop--or catch and shoot?/ Lou presents to Uconn a player who knows the game, the defenses, does the picking needed, she does all those little things that never show up in the stats and with that fill up the stats with 3's made, points, assists, and a few rebound and steals---no Lou does not mean more to Uconn than Plum to Wash--so Lou's number will never be as large as STARS on other teams--rarely does a Uconn kid fill up the record books--Geno's method is to spread the wealth--when he has no choice, like when Maya played she filled the books--Geno wants all 5 working the game winning processes, thus no one player fills the stat sheets.
If Katie lou played for another coach in the USF game she would not have been stopped at 40--as hot as she was--60 and beyond was possible--but Geno thinks of the next game, or past record setters..

Lou is averaging over 20 points a game. There are a lot of "stars on other teams" — including All-Americans — who average less.

 

[Kaizen]

None, is my guess.

Have you ever seen Katie Lou games?
None, is my guess.

 

[UcMiami]

The only problem i have with plum is what are her numbers against top 10 teams? We know they are affraid to play the best team in wcbb, but how do you think she would do against the best defense that uconn brings to games?

She has done very well maintaining high numbers in the league which has the highest RPI - yeah, like most west coast teams their OOC was packed with west coast mid-major teams and they only made one trip early to the Midwest. But maybe the Pac12 is saying, well UConn was obviously afraid to make a west coast swing this year and taste the Pac12!
Against the best defensive teams I am sure she has struggled some because her team is very limited - stop Plum and Osahor and they have no chance to beat a good team, but even with everyone knowing that, including the mediocre teams, she is still putting up silly numbers, just as EDD at Delaware - you can know you have to stop her, and she still goes off. And while she may have padded her averages a little in a few blow-outs, her scoring has been strong throughout all four quarters, and to some extent the coach needs her on the floor because the team is dead in the water when she isn't on the floor.

The other comparison is to the UConn players - when a team focuses their defense on Lou they are pretty effective at holding her to 15 points, but then Napheesa goes off for 39, and when they focus on Napheesa and Lou, Gabby hits them with 24, or Kia goes off for 33, or Chong buries them with a dagger three, or Dangerfield hits for 19. That is what makes UConn so deadly and what makes players like EDD and Plum so exceptional - EDD did it alone, Plum has a very good sidekick, but neither of them have five starters that relieve the defensive pressure on any one player.

 

[Kaizen]

Oregon St., Stanford and UCLA all spent time in the top 10 this year. UW played all of those teams. Plum torched UCLA twice and Stanford once, the only team she struggled somewhat against was Oregon St.

Tell me how UW can lose 5 games if they touched UCLA, Stanford?
UW lost to UCLA 79-90 and Stanford 68-72 are Plum's touched game?

 

[nwhoopfan]

Plum scored 44 against Stanford, I think 39 and 37 against UCLA, and OSU held her to 22 or something. UW went 1-3 in those games because her teammates couldn't hit shots.

I've noticed several posters on this board are into moving targets or totally changing the conversation. First it was "well she didn't play any top 10 teams." Wrong. Well how did she do against those teams. She did just fine. Well, but they lost some of those games. Yes they did, but that certainly wasn't Plum's fault. She did all she could do. How else are you going to deflect or reroute the conversation now?

 

[Buzzyboy]

With me if it's even close I go with the senior. Lou has 2 more years and a championship under her belt. College ball is where women get their hour in the sun. Let's let Plum enjoy hers.

I so disagree. It is supposed to be for the best player in the country and their class distinction should have absolutely nothing to do with it. What if, based on your logic, KLS was everyone's favorite with Plum considered the second best but Plum was given the award and then KLS sustained a career ending injury early next year. She would have been deprived of that prestigious award because of "she'll get her turn" logic from people like yourself. That's totally wrong because the award isn't for the best senior player in the country, it's for the best player in the country.

 

[JordyG]

I so disagree. It is supposed to be for the best player in the country and their class distinction should have absolutely nothing to do with it. What if, based on your logic, KLS was everyone's favorite with Plum considered the second best but Plum was given the award and then KLS sustained a career ending injury early next year. She would have been deprived of that prestigious award because of "she'll get her turn" logic from people like yourself. That's totally wrong because the award isn't for the best senior player in the country, it's for the best player in the country.

See my second post.

 

[JordyG]

Plum scored 44 against Stanford, I think 39 and 37 against UCLA, and OSU held her to 22 or something. UW went 1-3 in those games because her teammates couldn't hit shots.

I've noticed several posters on this board are into moving targets or totally changing the conversation. First it was "well she didn't play any top 10 teams." Wrong. Well how did she do against those teams. She did just fine. Well, but they lost some of those games. Yes they did, but that certainly wasn't Plum's fault. She did all she could do. How else are you going to deflect or reroute the conversation now?

It's not rerouting. It's called moving the goal posts. Plum is my NPOY and my consensus #1 WNBA pick. That said I'd rather SA choose a big or large 2 guard than Plum. Or DD for that matter.

 

[Buzzyboy]

Plum scored 44 against Stanford, I think 39 and 37 against UCLA, and OSU held her to 22 or something. UW went 1-3 in those games because her teammates couldn't hit shots.

I've noticed several posters on this board are into moving targets or totally changing the conversation. First it was "well she didn't play any top 10 teams." Wrong. Well how did she do against those teams. She did just fine. Well, but they lost some of those games. Yes they did, but that certainly wasn't Plum's fault. She did all she could do. How else are you going to deflect or reroute the conversation now?

Isn't it possible that instead of getting her teammates involved and allowing them better opportunities to score, she tried to win these games by herself and actually COST her team the wins. I'm not sure that happened but I'm being the devils advocate. Your thoughts are purely speculative and maybe her team would be better if she WASN'T scoring at the level she was. If she's not allowing her teammates to get involved to the extent that they are getting better, maybe she's actually a detriment to the team. Everyone here knows that Samuelson could be scoring appreciably more than she does if she shot more but she's working WITHIN the team formula that has made UConn the envy of women's basketball.

 

[Buzzyboy]

I think a couple things weigh in Wilson's favor. First, she's unarguably the best player on a top-4 team, something the other top-4 teams don't really have. The other is that she's a returning All-American, and there's always a strong grandfathering tendency among voters.

What that says is that voters aren't doing their jobs. They are supposed to have a blank sheet and only vote on what's transpired this year. If someone was an All-American last year and had a BAD year, would they still get consideration?