NBA redrafts from the Ringer (good Ray discussion)



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Thanks, just watched / listened. I love this type of thing, and I'm glad they ultimately came around to giving Ray his due. I think he gets underrated often because a) he's not much of a loud mouth, flashy type, and b) he became known as a great shooter, whereas he was always a great offensive player overall.
 
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Thanks, just watched / listened. I love this type of thing, and I'm glad they ultimately came around to giving Ray his due. I think he gets underrated often because a) he's not much of a loud mouth, flashy type, and b) he became known as a great shooter, whereas he was always a great offensive player overall.

I like like how it was pointed out that if Ray doesn’t go to the Celtics there is no KG.
 
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Thanks, just watched / listened. I love this type of thing, and I'm glad they ultimately came around to giving Ray his due. I think he gets underrated often because a) he's not much of a loud mouth, flashy type, and b) he became known as a great shooter, whereas he was always a great offensive player overall.
 
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They did '99 and Rip went 4th (up from 7th) after Shawn Marion, Manu Ginobli, and Elton Brand.

Bill made the pick, and he thinks Rip would've been better in modern era than his era.


That's interesting, as the prevailing wisdom is that because he was considered a mid-range specialist his game wouldn't translate. I don't necessarily agree, but I'm biased.
 
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He has a little bit of "I'm the smartest guy in the industry" to him but Ryen Russillo is a pretty great addition to the Ringer. His NFL recaps every Monday with Chris Long were great and I find myself looking forward to his appearances on Simmons's stuff.
 
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I remember Mike Francesa saying Grant Hill was so much better than Ray Allen and that "It's not even close."
 
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They did '99 and Rip went 4th (up from 7th) after Shawn Marion, Manu Ginobli, and Elton Brand.

Bill made the pick, and he thinks Rip would've been better in modern era than his era.

Pre Grant Hills injury that’s an accurate statement.

The best ability is availability. I thought all that sprite was supposed to help his game , I’m guessing Ray has never had Sprite in his life.
 
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They did '99 and Rip went 4th (up from 7th) after Shawn Marion, Manu Ginobli, and Elton Brand.

Bill made the pick, and he thinks Rip would've been better in modern era than his era.


Loved the Andre Miller story, lol.
 
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Simmons will be doing redrafts from the 96 draft until the most current one. It’s a pretty good listen and very interesting observation on Ray Allen being picked 3rd over Iverson.


Thanks for posting. An interesting take on draft do-overs.
 
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Pre Grant Hills injury that’s an accurate statement.


Better? Maybe. Significantly better? Not even close? Crazy talk, at least when looking at advanced stats.

Hill's third season outshines Allen's best by a lot. Beyond that, may a slight edge to Hill as a more versatile player and better defender.
 
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Better? Maybe. Significantly better? Not even close? Crazy talk, at least when looking at advanced stats.

Hill's third season outshines Allen's best by a lot. Beyond that, may a slight edge to Hill as a more versatile player and better defender.

I take it back. Ray Allens best season in Seattle was similar to Grants best in Detroit. I guess one can argue either was better. Ray still has the shot and that might make the difference in any argument. Overall, both had great long careers
 
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Does anyone have many memories of Grant Hill in the NBA? Meanwhile, Ray won two rings and made one of the biggest shots of all-time.
 
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Does anyone have many memories of Grant Hill in the NBA? Meanwhile, Ray won two rings and made one of the biggest shots of all-time.

depends if you live in Detroit, Orlando, or Phoenix
 

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In 1995 or 1997 if you said Grant Hill was better than Ray Allen and it wasn't close, that would make sense.

In 2020, if you say Grant Hill was a better player at his peak, that would make sense.

In 2020, if you say Grant Hill was so much better than Ray Allen and it's not even close, that is an incredible lack of awareness. By 2005, I don't think you could logically say that anymore. By 2014, you definitely couldn't.
 

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I also watched the next couple of those pods, the 2001 draft was very interesting as well. But 1996 was always my favorite draft. Excited for some more re-drafts, wonder where Kemba goes in 2011? Definitely higher than Brandon Knight, suckers!
 
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I also watched the next couple of those pods, the 2001 draft was very interesting as well. But 1996 was always my favorite draft. Excited for some more re-drafts, wonder where Kemba goes in 2011? Definitely higher than Brandon Knight, suckers!

I would guess Kwai gets drafted 1, Kyrie 2, and Kemba possibly 3rd.
 

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