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The lack of Giannis minutes is so bizarre. Unless there's some secret injury it just makes no sense
 
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GMs better start working on their offers for Antetokuomnpo. I don't see him signing a SuperMax, and when he doesn't, the Bucks will have to trade him and break up the team. Budenholzer is going to be fired, and anything not nailed down is for sale. The only starter that is definitely returning will be Bledsoe, because that contract is untradable, but everyone else is going to be moved. They might be a 20 win team next season.

I like the Bucks, but they are miles from competing for a championship, and they can't risk getting nothing back for Giannis, so they have to trade him if he is not signing a SuperMax, and when he goes, they might as well start over.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
GMs better start working on their offers for Antetokuomnpo. I don't see him signing a SuperMax, and when he doesn't, the Bucks will have to trade him and break up the team. Budenholzer is going to be fired, and anything not nailed down is for sale. The only starter that is definitely returning will be Bledsoe, because that contract is untradable, but everyone else is going to be moved. They might be a 20 win team next season.

I like the Bucks, but they are miles from competing for a championship, and they can't risk getting nothing back for Giannis, so they have to trade him if he is not signing a SuperMax, and when he goes, they might as well start over.
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You don't think everyone has been working on this? Nobody thought he was coming back to the Bucks.

I like Giannis but he shouldn't escape blame for this, he's a two time MVP and DPOY.
 
superjohn said:
You don't think everyone has been working on this? Nobody thought he was coming back to the Bucks.

I like Giannis but he shouldn't escape blame for this, he's a two time MVP and DPOY.
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He was signing a SuperMax if the Bucks made the NBA Finals, but he is not returning for another collapse next postseason. I think Miami is the best positioned to get him, and he will want to stay in the East because it is an easier path to the Finals.

Lopez and Hill are playing great, and would be good pickups for any team that needs something to put them over the top. Both have reasonable contracts.

Middleton has a big contract that may be a little harder to move. He is more likely a mid-season trade.

This is the third time Budenholzer has lost 4 straight playoff games with a team that had the best record in its conference. Just not a big game coach.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
He was signing a SuperMax if the Bucks made the NBA Finals, but he is not returning for another collapse next postseason. I think Miami is the best positioned to get him, and he will want to stay in the East because it is an easier path to the Finals.

Lopez and Hill are playing great, and would be good pickups for any team that needs something to put them over the top. Both have reasonable contracts.

Middleton has a big contract that may be a little harder to move. He is more likely a mid-season trade.
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The most talk has certainly been Miami but he should go to the Mavs. I don't see Giannis winning it all as the #1.

Golden State will definitely be involved.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
He was signing a SuperMax if the Bucks made the NBA Finals, but he is not returning for another collapse next postseason. I think Miami is the best positioned to get him, and he will want to stay in the East because it is an easier path to the Finals.

Lopez and Hill are playing great, and would be good pickups for any team that needs something to put them over the top. Both have reasonable contracts.

Middleton has a big contract that may be a little harder to move. He is more likely a mid-season trade.

This is the third time Budenholzer has lost 4 straight playoff games with a team that had the best record in its conference. Just not a big game coach.
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I bet golden state would take Middleton for 2 and Wiggins.
 
the Q said:
I bet golden state would take Middleton for 2 and Wiggins.
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Golden State will have to give something really good to get anyone to take Wiggins' contract.
 
navery12 said:
Yeah, Bud is gone

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He lost the 4th quarter 40-13 of the most important game for the franchise's next 10 years. The entire team folded. This goes beyond just getting Middleton or Giannis another couple of minutes.
 
navery12 said:
Yeah, Bud is gone

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Yikes “that’s pushing the ceiling”

And why won’t Giannis sack up and say “no, I’m not going to let you have me play 75% of a playoff game we have to win”? Definitely no more than a #2 at this point mentally. I get that he got dinged up but come on
 
nelsonmuntz said:
He was hurt. He twisted his ankle in the first half.
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Nothing to do with the injury, he always does this, did it with the Hawks and he's been doing it with the Bucks. He was getting hammered after game 2 for Giannis and Middleton not playing more minutes.
 
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Nice win by Houston. I don't like this Lakers team, and I think a case can be made that getting this team the second best record in the NBA was Lebron's most impressive regular season achievement.

Harden has always had a top point guard next to him throughout his prime, and it has enabled Harden to be a lot more successful. Jamal Murray is similar to a young Harden, and I think the sky is the limit for Murray if he is paired with a Top 10 point guard. Harris is not that guy.
 
superjohn said:
The most talk has certainly been Miami but he should go to the Mavs. I don't see Giannis winning it all as the #1.

Golden State will definitely be involved.
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Golden State being in the mix feels like listening to WFAN in the 90s when Mets fans would call in asking why the Mets couldn't trade a middle reliever for Greg Maddux AND Tom Glavine. Golden State has nothing to offer that the Bucks would want.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Nice win by Houston. I don't like this Lakers team, and I think a case can be made that getting this team the second best record in the NBA was Lebron's most impressive regular season achievement.

Harden has always had a top point guard next to him throughout his prime, and it has enabled Harden to be a lot more successful. Jamal Murray is similar to a young Harden, and I think the sky is the limit for Murray if he is paired with a Top 10 point guard. Harris is not that guy.
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MPJ + Harris + a few first round picks for Beal? I know Beal is SG but think that combo would be disgusting. Washington needs to rebuild and MPJ would be as good a gamble as they can make.
 
uconnbaseball said:
Giannis can win as a #1 IMO but needs a much better Robin than Middleton.
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I just don't see it, he's a good passer but his offensive game is going downhill to try and bully you to the rim, players and schemes in the playoffs are too good for that when it matters. He can't shoot and you don't want him on the line with the game on the line. If you need a bucket with your season in the balance you sure as heck should expect to be able to count on the back to back MVP for that and you just can't with Giannis. You just don't have that concern with Lebron, Kawhi, Luka, Durant, Steph...heck I don't think many people are taking Giannis in that situation over Jimmy Butler.

Middleton and Lopez have been fine but in defense of Giannis they do badly need another guy who can take his man of the dribble to score and create.
 
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uconnbaseball said:
MPJ + Harris + a few first round picks for Beal? I know Beal is SG but think that combo would be disgusting. Washington needs to rebuild and MPJ would be as good a gamble as they can make.
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That is a good idea. It doesn't need to be a great PG, but Murray needs someone that can put pressure on the defense and give him just enough daylight to get his shot off. Dragic is still good enough to be that player, and should be reasonably priced. I would start there if I was Denver. I would also take a look at Kris Dunn if I was Denver. He is young and fast and cheap.
 
aceboon said:
With as bad as Jaylen Brown has been tonight Kemba needed to be alot more agressive and assertive, he deferred way too much. On another note, interesting to compare Nurse riding his starters in must win playoff games the past 2 games to Budenholzer.
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The entire celts team has been shockingly bad shooting the rock. 6/34 right now
 
superjohn said:
I just don't see it, he's a good passer but his offensive game is going downhill to try and bully you to the rim, players and schemes in the playoffs are too good for that when it matters. He can't shoot and you don't want him on the line with the game on the line. If you need a bucket with your season in the balance you sure as heck should expect to be able to count on the back to back MVP for that and you just can't with Giannis. You just don't have that concern with Lebron, Kawhi, Luka, Durant, Steph...heck I don't think many people are taking Giannis in that situation over Jimmy Butler.

Middleton and Lopez have been fine but in defense of Giannis they do badly need another guy who can take his man of the dribble to score and create.
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That’s right now. He’s not perfect no question, but he’s a basketball infant still. In 3-4 years how unstoppable could he be when 90% of the time NOW he’s unstoppable even with his limitations? He’s not 34 years old.
 
aceboon said:
With as bad as Jaylen Brown has been tonight Kemba needed to be alot more agressive and assertive, he deferred way too much. On another note, interesting to compare Nurse riding his starters in must win playoff games the past 2 games to Budenholzer.
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People have been too quick to call Brown and Tatum superstars. Tatum gets loose with the handle, puts his head down and drives with no passing, a bit out of control when he’s being guarded by a good D.

They’re both awesome, but as always people over exaggerate a young players’ superstar or bust status. Kemba is the engine on that team.
 
The good news is that I highly, highly doubt the Celtics will shoot that poorly from deep again, and that they are still doing a good job defensively - only 100 points for Toronto on under 40% shooting.

The general sloppiness and effort was discouraging though. You could tell out of the gate Toronto wanted it more. And Kemba did do too much deferring. Without Gordon, and with Brown looking as lost as he did, you have to know that you are one of two guys on this team trusted to score. Need more than 9 shots.
 
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