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Fairly significant game upcoming here. I'm interested to see how engaged LeBron is. He's in a tough spot. Do you want to drag this corpse for another six weeks only to get clowned in the finals again? Or do you want to catch your breath for the first time since you were 20? It would be awfully easy to check out here.
 
Fairly significant game upcoming here. I'm interested to see how engaged LeBron is. He's in a tough spot. Do you want to drag this corpse for another six weeks only to get clowned in the finals again? Or do you want to catch your breath for the first time since you were 20? It would be awfully easy to check out here.
Yep, he wants to lose. Give me a break.
 
Fairly significant game upcoming here. I'm interested to see how engaged LeBron is. He's in a tough spot. Do you want to drag this corpse for another six weeks only to get clowned in the finals again? Or do you want to catch your breath for the first time since you were 20? It would be awfully easy to check out here.

Wha???
 
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I wasn't quoting you but you absolutely questioned whether he'll want to win the game.

No, but we've seen LeBron play passively in the past when he knows he's outmanned. Boston-Cleveland game 5 in 2010 is probably the best example. That doesn't appear to be the case so far.
 
The chats on free streaming sites are far and away the worst place on the internet.
 
No, but we've seen LeBron play passively in the past when he knows he's outmanned. Boston-Cleveland game 5 in 2010 is probably the best example. That doesn't appear to be the case so far.

I’m not watching but lebrons stat line is completely obsurd.
 
Lance managed to go -19 in 12 minutes. Please let us never hear again about how he gives LeBron problems.

Oladipo has next to no help on that team. Collison is the only one that showed today and he's a journeymen. Sabonis and Turner have promise but I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth after a series they should have won. You can talk about how great LeBron is and it's valid, but they lost that game with him on the bench.
 
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Lance managed to go -19 in 12 minutes. Please let us never hear again about how he gives LeBron problems.

Oladipo has next to no help on that team. Collison is the only one that showed today and he's a journeymen. Sabonis and Turner have promise but I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth after a series they should have won. You can talk about how great LeBron is and it's valid, but they lost that game with him on the bench.

Just a brutal post here. Indy has nobody besides Dipo and should have won the series, meanwhile Indy lost today's game in the 5 minutes LeBron didn't play when he was dropping a monster game.
 
Westbrook played to all the stereotypes, good and bad, in that game. I don't think anyone is really changing their mind about him as a player after that one.

That said, I find it hard not to root for him. He's Kobe minus the selling his teammates down the river. Maybe he's not the most self-aware player in the world but you never hear a bad word about him off the court and I've yet to see a situation where he's aggressively sabotaging the team. His game just doesn't translate to instilling an offense like the Warriors run. That's a different thing than being selfish. Unless someone can provide examples of him refusing coaching or clashing with teammates, I'm inclined to believe he's largely a victim of circumstance. You're not a victim of circumstance when you shoot 2 of 16 in an elimination game or cash $28 mil checks to suck at your job.
I don’t think it is hard to read between the lines and say Durant left b/c of Russ’ style. That KD went to a team with even more star power but an emphasis on ball movement reinforces walking away from Russ.

It would have been fascinating what each might have become if Harden was in OKC two more years.
 
No, but we've seen LeBron play passively in the past when he knows he's outmanned. Boston-Cleveland game 5 in 2010 is probably the best example. That doesn't appear to be the case so far.
Lol yeah let’s go back to a single game in 2010 for precedent

Now is LeBron averaging the most points all-time in game 7s with those 45? MJ was at 33.7, LeBron 33.2
 
So the Knicks weren't immediately better after he left? Especially before Porzingis went down?

Not really, no. Melo is definitely cooked, but the lack of success during his time in NY was much more of an organizational issue than a "can't win with Melo" issue.
 
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Not really, no. Melo is definitely cooked, but the lack of success during his time in NY was much more of an organizational issue than a "can't win with Melo" issue.

I'd call it a combo platter...or maybe - to steal from the Chinese food thread theme - a poo poo platter...
 
Just a brutal post here. Indy has nobody besides Dipo and should have won the series, meanwhile Indy lost today's game in the 5 minutes LeBron didn't play when he was dropping a monster game.

What are you disagreeing with? Cleveland was a +6 in the five minutes LeBron didn't play and won by four (granted the garbage time three is defended differently with a lesser margin) - it's a pretty non-controversial point to say they lost the game there.

Indiana is thin outside of Oladipo. The fact that they won only 42 games last year without him (but with Paul George) is telling. It's not like they're Philly where you look at the roster and see a bunch of building blocks. It's Oladipo and then some young big men who might develop into something or might not. Nobody is looking at that team as a threat long-term.
 
Lol yeah let’s go back to a single game in 2010 for precedent

Now is LeBron averaging the most points all-time in game 7s with those 45? MJ was at 33.7, LeBron 33.2

Well, 2010 is the last time (save for the 2015 finals) he had as little help as he does now. It's not some slight on LeBron to think he'd be reluctant to play 40+ minutes at this stage of his career. The fact that he seemed ready to play the full 48 before the cramps goes to show what a freak he is.
 
Indiana is thin outside of Oladipo. The fact that they won only 42 games last year without him (but with Paul George) is telling. It's not like they're Philly where you look at the roster and see a bunch of building blocks. It's Oladipo and then some young big men who might develop into something or might not. Nobody is looking at that team as a threat long-term.

Even more telling, Indiana's over/under this year was 30.5.
 
What are you disagreeing with? Cleveland was a +6 in the five minutes LeBron didn't play and won by four (granted the garbage time three is defended differently with a lesser margin) - it's a pretty non-controversial point to say they lost the game there.

Indiana is thin outside of Oladipo. The fact that they won only 42 games last year without him (but with Paul George) is telling. It's not like they're Philly where you look at the roster and see a bunch of building blocks. It's Oladipo and then some young big men who might develop into something or might not. Nobody is looking at that team as a threat long-term.

Doubling down on the horrific takes, huh? Wow.


I can say with a high amount of confidence that LeBron having the game that he did contributed much more to the end result of the game than literally anything that could have happened in the 5 minutes that Bron sat.

I can also say that it's legitimately baffling that you can double down on what you've said about Indy, and yet still think they should have won.
 
Well, 2010 is the last time (save for the 2015 finals) he had as little help as he does now. It's not some slight on LeBron to think he'd be reluctant to play 40+ minutes at this stage of his career. The fact that he seemed ready to play the full 48 before the cramps goes to show what a freak he is.

You're surprised that a guy wanted to try and win a playoff game 7? Did you really think it was more likely that he'd simply phone it in?
 
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Even more telling, Indiana's over/under this year was 30.5.

That wasn't the part I disagreed with. Saying that Indy should have won the series in spite of all that is the spit take statement being made there.
 
Well, 2010 is the last time (save for the 2015 finals) he had as little help as he does now. It's not some slight on LeBron to think he'd be reluctant to play 40+ minutes at this stage of his career. The fact that he seemed ready to play the full 48 before the cramps goes to show what a freak he is.
You've been posting some really strange stuff lately.
 
You're surprised that a guy wanted to try and win a playoff game 7? Did you really think it was more likely that he'd simply phone it in?

Obviously he wanted to win the game. There have been a lot of players who have wanted to win games and not all of them were willing to play balls to the wall for 48 minutes on both ends at the age of 33, having gone to the finals seven straight years and understanding that realistically he had no shot at winning this season. The wear and tear of this many seasons under the microscope has to be exhausting. They'll tell you to a man that it's mentally and physically draining. Taking care of your body, compartmentalizing the anxiety of being a performer, constantly confronting scrutiny on and off the court...it drains you of every pore in your body. He would have had every right to go out there, play 40 minutes, put up his 30 points, hoard some rebounds and call it a season. He didn't and that's what makes him LeBron.

Jeff Van Gundy said himself that Indiana was the better team. They were. They outscored the Cavs by 38 points in the series. You don't have to stretch that hard to come to the conclusion that they would have won with slightly better focus and execution. Everyone saw it. Look, it was a great series, all you can ask for as a fan of the game. But there's a difference between gaining respect and actually having someone's attention. The opportunity was there for that Pacers team and they just came up a little short.
 
Some thoughts on Boston/Philly part one:

- The Celtics are just deeper and better than I gave them credit for. Forget Hayward, forget Kyrie, this team might be better than they were last year assuming Jaylen Brown returns. Rozier is a real player. Morris is a great depth piece. Smart coming back was huge for that team.

- Tatum's game is far more complete than people realize and his athleticism in general strikes me as smoother and more explosive than it was billed as being coming out of Duke. If he had played for any other college coach we'd be killing him for not getting more out of him while he was in school. The Pierce comparisons actually look pretty reasonable right now. I remember I questioned the pick and placed his ceiling at around Jabari Parker level. That was a whiff.

- Horford has been an odd guy to evaluate. The advanced numbers love him, the tape loves him, all the smart basketball guys around the league love him. But those are also the type of players who are underrated for so long that they eventually wind up being overrated, and while counting stats are far from everything, 13 and 7 is still 13 and 7. I've joked that while he may be one of the best couple dozen players in the league, he is also the furthest away from being the best. He doesn't look the part and he does nothing to swing the freak of nature battle against LeBron, Giannis, Embiid, and Durant. He's almost the exact prototype that pops to mind when you think about the lack of parity in the NBA. He's the rest stop LeBron wipes his boots and charges his phone at on his way to the finals every year.

But the guy just knows how to play basketball. He's a great defender, an elite team defender, a phenomenal passer, and an extremely valuable shooter. There are only a handful of players in the NBA who offer as diverse an array of skills.

- Stevens might be the best coach in the NBA, and I never thought I'd say that with Pop around. From a scouting and gameplanning perspective, I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone as good. His ability to micro-manage assets and condense them into repeatable schemes on both ends is really something. However, don't underestimate the value of organizational stability. From ownership to Ainge to the scouting department, all the way down to video coordinator sorts, there's a homogenous mentality within the building that makes them really hard to outleverage on matters of player personnel and development. There is a shared vision.

- I still think Philly wins this series, probably in 6, but adjustments will have to be made on the part of the Philadelphia coaching staff. As I expected, Boston is content to pack the paint, cut off one read releases to the three point line, and force Embiid and Simmons into awkward faceups at the low reward areas of the floor. At some point, people will have to confront the limitations of a Simmons/Embiid led attack, especially when only Redick qualifies as a true marksmen (and even he has worked more off screens than as a pure spot-up guy). The others - Covington, Saric, Belinelli, Ilyasova - mostly hover around "good enough" territory on a lower volume of attempts, making it easy for smart defenders (Boston has a lot) to time their closeouts and gamble for steals. For as advanced as Simmons and Embiid are from a skills standpoint, they are still absurdly large human beings trying to dribble the ball through tight windows.

- All of this can be fine for Philadelphia, as long as they exchange two for two. Simmons and Embiid are freaks of nature who should comfortably endure the test of natural selection even if they are resigned to a diet of cluttered mid-range opportunities. Sometimes basketball is simple and if Philadelphia has the option they will hit a higher percentage of two point field goals because of the fact that they have bigger people. Embiid and Simmons - Embiid especially - generate shots for themselves with motions so effortless that it is truly frightening. I remember one play in the second half where Embiid caught the ball on left wing against Baynes, pivoted middle, took one crab dribble and was already in the paint (he lost the ball on that possession, but it seemed to be the ultimate example of Embiid being the only player capable of slowing him down - over time, that maneuver will be problematic for the basketball world). It's an especially worthwhile instrument to have in the bag in today's NBA where defenses are going to push you out of your area. While Simmons and Embiid lack the refinement to be truly great post players at this stage in their careers, they demonstrate a patience and composure with the ball that is difficult to contend with when leveraged with their sheer force.

- If Philadelphia continues to guard like they did tonight, Boston will win the series, because although it is unlikely that Boston will repeat their shooting performance, their looks were good enough that the Sixers will need to make some schematic adjustments defensively to shrink the floor and give their length a chance to work in their favor. The Horford pick and pop, especially, posed problems for Embiid, who was content to sag back as if he were still playing Hassan Whiteside. Philadelphia could counter this by switching - their big men are capable of guarding the perimeter and it would in theory limit Boston's three point game even if it were to cost them some rim protection. Stevens is smart, though, and if he manages to invert Philly's defense, he could respond by pounding smaller guys like Covington and Redick in the post with the likes of Tatum and Horford. The Sixers really have nowhere to stash Embiid when Baynes is on the bench (incidentally, Baynes was a -1 in 29 minutes tonight - look for Horford at center more) because all five guys can shoot. That makes this a very different challenge for them than the last round when Embiid pretty much single handedly ruined Miami's offense.

Regardless of the changes that are made, Philly will have to come to game two with much better focus. They're the more talented team, but their margin for error is also very low because of how they shoot the three and how well Boston defends. The way to win this series for them is to deliver a string of dialed-in defensive performances that turn the game into a matter of who can get more ugly baskets.
 
Some thoughts on Boston/Philly part one:. . . more ugly baskets.
Yeah dude, I didn't read it, but I gave you a "like" to commend your effort and to say thank you for your regular contributions to this website - when I have time and when your post relates to something about which I am interested, I generally read and enjoy your posts. Thank you!
 
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