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split, expand to 16, all sports
uconn/ruty/lville/cincy/usf/wvu+

kan-great bball, bad fball right now
kst-good bball and fball
ist-ok bball and building fball
ecu-horrible bball, down year in fball but a strong program, will be the best of 5 in NC by 2014
temple-good bball, building fball(good enough right now)
ucf-ok/building bball, good fball
tulane(if baylor says no)- project
memphis-great bball, project fedex $ fball
smu- very close to ready for fball, bball project
uh-not to far for bball, fball ready
 
exit16off95 said:
split, expand to 16, all sports
uconn/ruty/lville/cincy/usf/wvu+

kan-great bball, bad fball right now
kst-good bball and fball
ist-ok bball and building fball
ecu-horrible bball, down year in fball but a strong program, will be the best of 5 in NC by 2014
temple-good bball, building fball(good enough right now)
ucf-ok/building bball, good fball
tulane(if baylor says no)- project
memphis-great bball, project fedex $ fball
smu- very close to ready for fball, bball project
uh-not to far for bball, fball ready
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Why do Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Baylor leave their conference, to join a conference with: worse football, worse basketball, worse prestige, worse stability and above all else way worse money?
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Why do Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Baylor leave their conference, to join a conference with: worse football, worse basketball, worse prestige, worse stability and above all else way worse money?
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becuase.
-b12 isn't stable, adding tcu doesn't fix the trust/$ issues really there.
-worse bball? kansas/tex/kst vs uconn/lville/wvu, at worst thats a push. kan/kst would love bball with those 3 in the same conf...
-fball is still a bcs conf and they now don't have to look at ok/tex/okst every year. they can have a chance in a bcs conf.
-prestige is not the same, u win
-$ will be good with comcast(temple-phili good grab) for that conf. nyc/phili/ville/cincy/2 fl mk's/2 tex mk's/ new o's etc. play the conf bball tney in phili. play the fball ship game at home of highest bcs ranking...
 
Is there any chance of getting BYU for football only? That would be a huge win. I'm assuming they don't want to go into the Big12 because they wouldn't be competitive, but they could compete in the Big East.

Go to 16 with:

BYU
Airforce
Boise St
Nevada
Utah State
Colorado State
SanDiego State
SMU (all sports)

Temple (all sports)
Navy
UCONN
WV
Rutgers
Cincy
Louisville
South Florida

Use UCF and Houston for all sports when West Virginia and Louisville bolt.
 
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Houston, SMU, Tulane, UCF, Temple, EC. No football only teams.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Why do Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Baylor leave their conference, to join a conference with: worse football, worse basketball, worse prestige, worse stability and above all else way worse money?
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Well I generally agree but how is the BE worse in basketball than the Big 12?


The Big 12 is Kansas, a consistently underachieving Texas and 8 other turds. A league with UConn, Louisville, Georgetown, Nova, WVU and Cincy is way way stronger. This year the Big 12 will be awful. Kansas lost the Morris twins and a ton of seniors. Texas lost their 3 best players. Kansas St lost Pullen and Curtis Kelly and they had a ton of transfers, Texas A&M and Missouri lost their head coach and Missouri replaced theirs with Frank Haith (LOL). Baylor may be okay but the rest of the conference is absolutely awful. Now if Louisville and WVU to the Big 12 than maybe but come on....
 
My criteria are football prowess + rivalries + divisional setup + fertile recruiting areas + basketball.

North
UConn
RU
WVU
UL
UC
6) Memphis

South
USF
1) UCF
4)SMU
5)Houston
2)Boise State*
3)BYU*

*Football Only

I really don't get Temple - they have no fan base. Can't even get 30,000 with $5 tickets after demolishing Maryland!
 
East Division
UConn
ECU*
Rutgers
USF
Navy* FB only
Army* FB only
Temple*
UCF*

West Division
SMU*
Houston*
West Virginia
Boise State* FB only
AirForce* FB only
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis*

* New

If WV and L'ville leave add UMass and ??? and restructure. I don't think they will leave considering who's coming in.

Rename the Big East (sorry to see you go) to Big America Conference.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The Big East has decided to go to 12 in football. We are at 6 now, so what are your 6 additions?

I will assume that Boise will not happen for whatever reason.

My choices:

1) Temple - all sports - one of the best hoops programs available, solid football, Big East wants Philadelphia, Villanova is not realistic.

2) Navy - football only

3) Air Force - football only

4) SMU - all sports - big endowment, high interest in program, great market, commitment to winning.

5) Houston - all sports - great market for both hoops and football, A&M does NOT have this market.

6) UMass -football only - largest anchor school available is right in our own backyard. Big alumni base, lots of students, wealthy state. Our opposition to this school makes us gigantic hypocrites.

UCF and ECU just do not bring enough new markets or quality to the league to justify their inclusion. I can live with UCF, but it is not the best choice available.
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Since you told me not forget about basketball because that is the single most important thing;

1. Fairfield

2. Quinnipiac

3. Xavier

4. St. Joes

5. Memphis

6. Gonzaga

Cheers.
 
HartbeatHusky said:
I'd want Boise but also have a feeling it won't happen. I'll still put them on my list though. I'd like to see

1. SMU - Quality academic school with huge endowment in a great TV and recruiting market. Has a successful football history even though some is notorious, it will still generate interest.

2. Houston - Another school in Texas with some past football history, huge TV market and solidfies Big East pressence in TX for recruiting purposes.

3. UCF - Solidifies Big East in recruiting rich Florida and makes USF more relevant by giving them a truly high intensity in conference rivalry now upgraded to BCS level. Good sized TV market and huge fast growing school.

4. Temple - Solid basketball tradition in large market within traditional Big East footprint. Easy roadtrip and the program is getting better. Budding rivalry with UConn and sure to have rivalry with RU as well.

5. Boise State - good football school to strengthen the football conference as a football only member. Geography puts them near the bottom of my list though.

6/7. Navy and Air Force a wash for me. Service academies bring prestige and national following but they don't have a huge upside in my opinion. Will always be very limited for recruits as all players actually are cadets. I wouldn't mind seeing us add both and Boise State but thwith my other choises that would put us at 13 FB members.

Obviously we'd need to add another because 13 doesn't work unless we lose a couple of teams, which is very possible. Doesn't really matter between ECU and Nova. ECU is better for football but Nova is cheaper since they are already in for bball.
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I agree. Texas and Florida are THE growth markets for the next 20 years. Miami and FSU are floundering opening some opportunites in Florida for UCF or USF to make a splash.

UCF, Houston and SMU. In the current BCS mock polls Houston and SMU are in the low 30s. Boise (Football only) is the only other team in the Indy/non-BCS mix ranked higher and available.

Navy/Air Force (Football only) are what they are . Good Filler. Both were ranked in the top 50 last year

WVU will leave and its either Temple or Nova for Philly.

If lightening strikes and Lousiville gets an offer then its ECU.

UMess is kinda like Nova, Only worse. Both lack a decent stadium. UMess also lacks a top MSA city, loyal fans, and decent basketball.
 
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In any order:
Brooklyn Decker
Miranda Kerr
Candice Swanepoel
Alessandra Ambrosio
Irina Shayk
Milan Kunis
 
7. UCF
8. ECU
9. Houston
10. Navy (FB)
11. Temple/SMU/Nova
12. Air Force (FB)

That's 12/18

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Forget this UMess etc crap I'm hearing... Go big or go home..

1. Houston
2. BYU
3. Boise
4. Navy
5. Airforce/Army
6. UCF/ECU

Break this up into two divisions and have a championship game ... Guaranteed BCS auto-bid.
 
fortebleedsblue said:
Forget this UMess etc crap I'm hearing... Go big or go home..

1. Houston
2. BYU
3. Boise
4. Navy
5. Airforce/Army
6. UCF/ECU

Break this up into two divisions and have a championship game ... Guaranteed BCS auto-bid.
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I actually like this, but I'd declare for UCF and Air Force (no Army or ECU). UCF and Houston join for all sports, everyone else as FB only keeps this a 16 team conference max for hoops and 12 teams for FB. If Boise or BYU balked, I'd go SMU to bring in Dallas market (I don't care that it's a UT town, it's about TV sets)

It's still a pig with make up perception wise, but the FB gets significantly better than it's ever been, and even though BB takes a step back, itwould still be one of the top BB leagues.
 
fortebleedsblue said:
Forget this UMess etc crap I'm hearing... Go big or go home..

1. Houston
2. BYU
3. Boise
4. Navy
5. Airforce/Army
6. UCF/ECU

Break this up into two divisions and have a championship game ... Guaranteed BCS auto-bid.
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This is close but Houston without SMU seems silly. I presume BYU isn't happening so replace them with SMU. This still leaves Boise and Airforce as buddies. Temple is probably a given at this point.

1. Houston
2. SMU
3. Air Force
4. UCF
5. Temple/Navy
6. Boise

Future possibilities: Nova, ECU, UMASS
 
Ok, I'll have some fun.

I'm going to w/ the 10/16 model.

Temple added all sports, and UMass added all sports but football, with the option to potentially upgrade and join later.

BYU, Boise and Air Force added in the west. Temple added in the east for football.

Two eight team divisions in everything but football and 10 team footall conference with football onlies

The regulars in one division:
Georgetown
Villanova
St. JOhns
Providence
MArquette
Seton Hall
Notre Dame
DePaul

and the new 8 team division
Connecticut
West Virginia
Rutgers
Louisville
Cincinatti
South Florida
Temple
UMass

And the 10 team football conference
Western Division
BYU
Boise State
Air Force
Louisville
Cincinatti

Eastern Division
Connecticut
Rutgers
West Virginia
South Florida
Temple

Adding BYU and Boise solidifies the BCS standing for the future,
UMass and Villanova, if they ever get their programs up to par, are able to join for a 12 team football conference in the future.
 
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One thing's for sure, we're definitely going to find out exactly how much these basketball programs that the big east revolves around are worth in the next few years.
 
I think that going to a 10/16 model makes a whole lot of sense as a first step, and that above is the best scenario that I can come up with that would be remotely plausible. Notre Dame isn't joining the conference for football, and somehow, in all of this, the concept of athletics beyond football and bsketball needs to be retained.

That's why UMass and Temple make the most sense to complete the second 8 team basketball/olympic division.

Adding Boise, BYU, Airforce, gives those three some kind of natural geographic football scheduling, and solidifies the football side of things with regard to BCS.

In that 10/16 model, there's at least some kind of structure that makes sense competitively and geographically, and at that point, you can start to really pick and choose who to fill out the football side of things, and possibly get to that 12/20 model.

BTW - I don't like the hybrid conference model, but we're apparently stuck with it, so may as well use it as best we can.
 
I agree on the Value of continuing to connect with Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's, Marquette. They will keep the Brand going if they are still at a high level. We (UConn) will need them.

Football - remember that EACH of the 3 brought in in 2004 rose dramatically. So, regardless of what you snidely think today, the 7 year cycle is that each of the Prospective Universities can rise to BCS level. (and for my purposes ... that's anyone who can kick BC's Ass)

1. UCF. How can NM leave off what will soon be the largest U. in America? And George O'Leary has a solid Program. Florida recruiting. Makes sense from travel & pushes USF rivalry ... whether they like it or not. Makes us MORE relevant in Florida.

2. Service Academies. Fit for Football Only. Prestige. Good Football. Uncommon ethics in a world of sleazy ADs.

2a. Navy (geographically with us)
2b. Air Force (cause their AD said he wants us ... we give him a hug)

4. Temple. Good comeback from the dead. Addazio following Al Golden shows that they have good chops in this growth. They have a solid chance. And Comcast is important to us.

5 & 6. I'm going two Texas schools. SMU & Houston. Both on a solid climb. We could get the same boomerang effect we got with USF - a solid Program with good solid Coaches push to a much higher level.

The explanation of 1,5, and 6 ... with solid urban TV markets ... is why we don't do ECU (which pains me cause they work so hard at this) & Memphis.

UMass? I don't think this is a turf thing for me. I kinda like them to be a candidate. I simply think they are a decade behind where they need to be. You have no reason to believe that they can be where Buffalo was when we first saw them walk into the RENT. A Program floundering trying to play in the MAC. They are a big risk .,. imho.
 
In expectation WVU and Louisville depart for the SEC/Big 12ish, go with UCF, SMU (appease the academics), Temple (please Marinara sauce's under funded PC, SJU, Hall and DePaul apologistas), Houston (only for recruiting and in-state balance to SMU), USNA and USAFA (go ahead and try to take BCS status from future officers of our nation's Marines, sailors, and fly boys, related academy veterans, and current/veteran supporters). Let East(ern) Carolina stew a while longer, remind Memphis how much of a crap school and athletic program it possesses and toss a flip of the bird to Mike Brey, and just ignore UMess because they deserve little else. ;)

With expectations UConn and Rutgers eventually move to the ACC and the Catholic schools go away with or without the BIG conference name, go wayyyyyyy outside the box and grant delayed invitations to FIU, A.J. Portee's Georgia State Panthers, the Charlotte 49ers, and UT-San Antonio's Roadrunners. Sure, they're all in large, growing cities with strong recruiting grounds. With a note of sarcasm, they're also not in Greenville or Boone, NC, Memphis, or Amherst.
 
Wishful thinking...

Temple (all sports, bring another Philly market)

Memphis (basketball only, would bring a nice competitive edge to BE basketball)

Houston and SMU (SMU for football, and Houston all sports, is it even possible?)

East Carolina (all sports, would do wonders for football but even baseball would be solid)

Central Florida (I've said this but...Orlando market is a nice pickup, recruits would love the Big East, would be good for either all sports or football only)

Take over the Conference USA!
 
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Bring on

Army
Navy
Air Force
Boise St.

for football only

Bring on

UCF
Temple

for all sports

That makes 16 for all sports and 12 for football
 
With it very obvious that all the 6 remaining football schools, in the BE, want out, why would Temple take a huge risk and leave the MAC? I doubt Navy & Air Force wish to join a sinking ship. UMass has done little to fund any large D-1 comitment. They belong in the MAC with other underfunded schools.
The only schools desperate to join the BE are ECU, FIU, and Cent. Fla. Basically, in time, the BE has little choice but to disband it's football and stick to hoops.
 
The primary objective has to be to retain BCS status. THere's nothing else that matters. In the short term, retaining the hybrid conference model is the best option moving forward at this point aftr losing Cuse and Pitt.

Boise St, Notre Dame, and BYU are perhaps the only programs left out there than can solidify that BCS status, aside from drawing programs from other BCS conferences, which I find highly unlikely, but hey you never know...

imagine that, if the big east could draw in a program out of one the other BCS conferences......not happening, nor is Notre Dame.

So that leaves Boise, BYU and the service academies. Of those, Air Force makes the most sense to add.

You put BYU, Boise, Air Force together, and add Temple, and youve got somethign that can work in an east/west scheduling format for football.

That's a structure that can be further added on to.

I think the addtion of Umass and temple is important, to solidify the market presence in the northeast in basketball and olympics. UMass has a history of competitive basketball, and joining a league like the big east would only help them get it back.

Maybe it was misunderstood, but I'm not advocating adding Massachusetts for football at this point. I'd leave the option open, as long as they successfully upgrade - same for Villanova, but I'd put a time limit on it. Get it done in the next 3 years, and you're in.

With that 10/16 model i presented, you basically substitute Temple and UMass for syracuse and pitt in basketball / olympics which stinks - but is what it is.

and you add Boise, BYU, Air Force and Temple for football to get an east / west 10 team structure that makes sense and is BCS status retaining.

If the conference wants 12 teams for football, this is important, once you get a solid structure, you can really be picky and choosy about the other two programs you want to add, and if you want all sports, and what demographic you're looking at - whether ti be texas, or florida, or elsewhere.

Solidifying the BCS status for the future is priority #1 and only priority at this point.

In that respect, losing TCU hurts a hell of lot more than losing Cuse and Pitt.
 
I'm just stunned at the energy you guys are bringing to this exercise.
 
It's all really like playing with three letter alphabet soup. BYU, ECU, UCF, SMU, TCU, BCS, MAC, WVU, SJU I think I even saw an FIU somewhere in there.
 
Looks like they are looking at these divisions. The definite add look to be UCF, Temple, and Houston for all sports and Air Force and Navy for FB only. Boise State is still a target and SMU seems to be on the list if Boise doesn't come or if we lose Louisville or WVU.

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/10/tentative_big_east_division_sp.html

Rutgers would be in the same division as Connecticut, Central Florida, South Florida, Temple and Navy in a tentative rough draft of the reconfigured 12-team football league that came out of today's conference call, a leading college official said.
West Virginia, Air Force, SMU, Houston, Louisville and Cincinnati would comprise the other division under that scenario.
The official requested anonymity because he is not authorized to discuss details of the conference call of the football-only schools this morning.
 
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