My top 7 after 2 Dec games

[DallasBUFan]

My only thing about ND is that you are suppose to be the 2nd best team and you lost at home by nearly 20 points. I think the only team who's ranking is locked is UConn. ND, Miss State, Oregon, BU, and Louisville all need to play a few more games. ND might have had just a bad game but next top 10 game will prove if it was just a one off game or not.

Miss State - Will really know more once they play Oregon. Since SEC is super weak I don't see anyone really giving them any issues unless Tennessee show's up, but Vic can coach circles around Holly.
Oregon - Need to see them play Miss State and get into conference play.
Louisville - Need to play few more ranked opponents.
BU - Beaten two ranked opponents, seem to be finding their stride just need to prove consistency with it. If they beat Stanford and at least play UConn close that should say a lot.

 

[Plebe]

If they beat my #3 team, obviously I'll rank them 3 or 4 spots higher. They barely got by Syracuse .... the only decent opponent they played was neck-and-neck with them the whole game. Is there anything we have to go by right now that they're a top 2 or 3 team?

So let me see if I understand. Oregon can't be as high as Maryland, Louisville or Baylor because:

• They failed to beat UConn two years ago and failed to beat Notre Dame or Mississippi State last year. (But wait, I don't think Maryland or Baylor has beaten any of those teams in the past 2 years either. And in fact, didn't Oregon upset a highly-ranked Maryland team 2 years ago before losing to UConn? You're gonna dock them for their losses 2 years ago but not credit them for their wins?)
• They barely beat Syracuse. (But wait, didn't Louisville just barely beat Arizona State?)

Dare I suggest you're cherry-picking your evidence to confirm your preexisting opinions and biases.

 

[SimpleDawg]

So let me see if I understand. Oregon can't be as high as Maryland, Louisville or Baylor because:

• They failed to beat UConn two years ago and failed to beat Notre Dame or Mississippi State last year. (But wait, I don't think Maryland or Baylor has beaten any of those teams in the past 2 years either. And in fact, didn't Oregon upset a highly-ranked Maryland team 2 years ago before losing to UConn? You're gonna dock them for their losses 2 years ago but not credit them for their wins?)
• They barely beat Syracuse. (But wait, didn't Louisville just barely beat Arizona State?)

Dare I suggest you're cherry-picking your evidence to confirm your preexisting opinions and biases.

Ok, so they have one good win in the last 3 years. All I'm saying is there's not enough to rank them as #2 or #3. You act like I think Maryland and Baylor have done a lot in the last few years. I'm not saying they have... in fact Maryland was upset by Oregon two years ago and Baylor by Oregon State one year ago. And the reason I put Baylor #4 is because of that crushing of South Carolina which is more impressive than anything Oregon has done. The reason I put Louisville at #5 is because they were a final four team last year... and didn't just "luck in" to that, they were legitimately one of the 4 best teams in the country. And the reason I have Maryland at #6 is similarly because they destroyed South Carolina. They all had one thing more impressive than anything Oregon has. I hope I made myself understood. You're the one who's cherrypicking.


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[DallasBUFan]

I mean according to RPI thus far Oregon is ranked is ahead of Baylor, Louisville, and Miss State.

 

[Plebe]

Ok, so they have one good win in the last 3 years. All I'm saying is there's not enough to rank them as #2 or #3.

That's literally not what you said:

7. Oregon - Again, don't buy them. They've lost every game they played against UConn, Notre Dame, and Mississippi State in the last 2 years. They play West Coast ball and undoubtedly can handle the Pac-12, but they'll need to beat Mississippi State first before I can put them any higher.​

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Not "before I can rank them #2 or #3."

 

[SimpleDawg]

I mean according to RPI thus far Oregon is ranked is ahead of Baylor, Louisville, and Miss State.

I don't know how that's calculated but looking at their schedule and wins so far, I'm not sure how they can end up with an RPI higher than Baylor or Mississippi State. They don't have any impressive wins yet. That's all I'm saying.

That's literally not what you said:

7. Oregon - Again, don't buy them. They've lost every game they played against UConn, Notre Dame, and Mississippi State in the last 2 years. They play West Coast ball and undoubtedly can handle the Pac-12, but they'll need to beat Mississippi State first before I can put them any higher.​

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Not "before I can rank them #2 or #3."

Talk about cherry-picking. And yes, they stay #7 until Dec 18 vs Mississippi State. In between that... they have Michigan State and South Dakota St. No one is gonna move them up and down based on the results of those games. Whether they go above #7 or go below after Dec 18 I dunno, but obviously my belief is that Mississippi State will win.

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[Gamecockfan77]

It's a long season. There's plenty of time to improve.

SC really needs some outside shooting. A team that's strong neither in the paint nor from outside isn't left with many options.

Well, not being particularly tough is three strikes and you are out.

South Carolina has been getting progressively softer each season and the progression needs to go the other way if you want to make up for lost talent.

Said it before, but let me see Harris, Cooper, Perry, Grissett and Jennings healthy and playing hard and see what that looks like.

I'm no longer worried about advancing in the tournament or championships. Just want to get above .500 in the league and into the dance and go from there.

 

[DallasBUFan]

I don't know how that's calculated but looking at their schedule and wins so far, I'm not sure how they can end up with an RPI higher than Baylor or Mississippi State. They don't have any impressive wins yet. That's all I'm saying.



Talk about cherry-picking. And yes, they stay #7 until Dec 18 vs Mississippi State. In between that... they have Michigan State and South Dakota St. No one is gonna move them up and down based on the results of those games. Whether they go above #7 or go below after Dec 18 I dunno, but obviously my belief is that Mississippi State will win.

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It's based on home-away-neutral, plus how each team is ranked overall. So what it means is overall the teams they have played have been much higher ranked than the teams Miss State and the others have played. They can all be "weak" teams, but based on this Miss State's teams were a lot weaker than Oregon.

Top 7 Teams RPI Rankings

1. ND - 1
2. UConn - 3
3. Oregon - 6
4. Baylor - 15
5. Louisville - 13
6. Miss State - 38
7. Maryland - 52

 

[SimpleDawg]

It's based on home-away-neutral, plus how each team is ranked overall. So what it means is overall the teams they have played have been much higher ranked than the teams Miss State and the others have played. They can all be "weak" teams, but based on this Miss State's teams were a lot weaker than Oregon.

Top 7 Teams RPI Rankings

1. ND - 1
2. UConn - 3
3. Oregon - 6
4. Baylor - 15
5. Louisville - 13
6. Miss State - 38
7. Maryland - 52

Ok well..... let's just wait till Dec 18 because in my eyes, they shouldn't get any credit for beating Long Beach State and Alaska Fairbanks just because they were a little bit better than anyone Mississippi State played besides Texas. That #6 RPI is not credible to me... their RPI shouldn't be 32 spots higher than Mississippi State's, because pretty sure MSU would crush all those teams they've played.

Again, let's wait till Dec 18 and then we can brag about who's right... k? If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. I normally hate doing these rankings things anyways. But this one weekend, I thought it was interesting enough to see where we're at so far.

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[DallasBUFan]

Ok well..... let's just wait till Dec 18 because in my eyes, they shouldn't get any credit for beating Long Beach State and Alaska Fairbanks just because they were a little bit better than anyone Mississippi State played besides Texas. That #6 RPI is not credible to me... their RPI shouldn't be 32 spots higher than Mississippi State's, because pretty sure MSU would crush all those teams they've played.

Again, let's wait till Dec 18 and then we can brag about who's right... k? If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. I normally hate doing these rankings things anyways. But this one weekend, I thought it was interesting enough to see where we're at so far.

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Nobody is saying Miss State isn't a top 3 or 4. However, facts are facts. They may be playing teams in the 200 rankings while Miss State's were in the 300's. It ranks it based on your schedule. Truly nobody is impressed with certain wins especially if they are not a top 25 team.

You are saying Oregon shouldn't get any credit for beating teams better than Miss State, but yet want Miss State to get more credit because they beat 1 ranked team? You kinda contradict yourself a little bit. If Oregon's rank avg among opponents is higher than Miss State's then wouldn't they deserve to be higher?

Let us get through the Oregon and Miss State game and we can really find out.

 

[SimpleDawg]

Nobody is saying Miss State isn't a top 3 or 4. However, facts are facts. They may be playing teams in the 200 rankings while Miss State's were in the 300's. It ranks it based on your schedule. Truly nobody is impressed with certain wins especially if they are not a top 25 team.

You are saying Oregon shouldn't get any credit for beating teams better than Miss State, but yet want Miss State to get more credit because they beat 1 ranked team? You kinda contradict yourself a little bit. If Oregon's rank avg among opponents is higher than Miss State's then wouldn't they deserve to be higher?

Let us get through the Oregon and Miss State game and we can really find out.

Ok, I get the RPI system already, thanks. And I am not offended at where you see Mississippi State in the scheme of things.

And yes. One win vs Texas (which was a trouncing) deserves more credit than beating teams ranked in the 200s, if that's all they beat. 200s, 300s..... I'm sorry, but that's not making that much of a difference to me. That's like saying a #200 recruit will be better than a #300 recruit. And again like I said, this is based on last year too. I think the only reason Mississippi State is ranked #6 right now is because we lost 4 starters. Not sure if most people will agree that the only reason Oregon is ranked 3 spots higher is because they're beating teams in the 200s while we're beating teams in the 300s. That's just silly to me. But hey... to each his own there, bud. I doubt most people care about Oregon beating Long Beach State or Utah State just like no one should rightfully care that we beat Jackson State and Arkansas Little Rock.

Let us get through the Oregon and Miss State game and we can really find out.

Yes please.

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[shizam]

That's literally not what you said:

7. Oregon - Again, don't buy them. They've lost every game they played against UConn, Notre Dame, and Mississippi State in the last 2 years. They play West Coast ball and undoubtedly can handle the Pac-12, but they'll need to beat Mississippi State first before I can put them any higher.​

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Not "before I can rank them #2 or #3."

I think this guy is right about Oregon. Last year they looked great but couldn’t get by ND. ND handled them. L’ville beat ND twice last year and had an easy time with Oregon in the regular season. I buy into there is something missing with Oregon. I was amazed what a lousy coaching job Kelly Graves did in that L’ville game. His team stunk and looked uninterested and they stunk verse A&M the previous game though they won. They pick it up in the PAC 12. They should have taken ND but Graves outcoached by MM

 

[SimpleDawg]

I think this guy is right about Oregon. Last year they looked great but couldn’t get by ND. ND handled them. L’ville beat ND twice last year and had an easy time with Oregon in the regular season. I buy into there is something missing with Oregon. I was amazed what a lousy coaching job Kely Graves did in that L’ville game. His team stunk and they stunk verse A&M the previous game though they won. They pick it up in PAC 12 . They should have taken ND but Graves outcoached by MM

Thank you. Didn't every expert predict Oregon to beat Notre Dame last year? Suuuuuree..... that... totally... happened. Just like the experts are probably thinking they'll beat Mississippi State this year because we lost 4 starters and they get most players back. Like I said, they can win the Pac-12, but as we've seen when they face the ACC or SEC..... looked bogged down against Louisville and played to them instead of the other way around, they should beat A&M easily this year but didn't do so very convincingly last year.... and Syracuse played them down to the wire.

I don't have anything against them personally, but they're far from Notre Dame, UConn, and Mississippi State. Maybe better than Maryland and Oregon State but that's up for debate too.

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[IWearShoes]

We're going find out a lot about where Oregon and MSU stand soon enough. I expect a battle with McCowan hopefully being the difference maker.

Interested to see SI against State's quick and athletic guards.

State also has a challenging home game against Marquette coming up. Should be a win, but definitely one that can't be overlooked.

 

[DallasBUFan]

We're going find out a lot about where Oregon and MSU stand soon enough. I expect a battle with McCowan hopefully being the difference maker.

Interested to see SI against State's quick and athletic guards.

That will be a good matchup!! SI vs the pesky guards of Miss State

 

[Jmsdawg]

When is there going to be a regular season game between Mississippi State and UConn? We are getting to the point where that really needs to happen.

JoePgh, I totally agree. UCONN plays top teams OOC. It is time for MSST to play enhance our OOC and no better team to upgrade to than UCONN. That game would sell out and attract big tv audience and that is what WBB needs. Hope Geno and Vic can make it happen.

 

[Jmsdawg]

That will be a good matchup!! SI vs the pesky guards of Miss State

Oregon better be in shape because MSST will Be ball hawking 40 minutes and more if it goes into OT. Maybe I am drinking my own kool aid but I really believe MSST wins bigger than we did against Texas,

 

[MSUFan2003]

JoePgh, I totally agree. UCONN plays top teams OOC. It is time for MSST to play enhance our OOC and no better team to upgrade to than UCONN. That game would sell out and attract big tv audience and that is what WBB needs. Hope Geno and Vic can make it happen.

I would love to see that because I want to know if that win against UConn can be replicated. I would also like to see State play Baylor again.

 

[MSUFan2003]

Oregon better be in shape because MSST will Be ball hawking 40 minutes and more if it goes into OT. Maybe I am drinking my own kool aid but I really believe MSST wins bigger than we did against Texas,

Oregon's problem is they don't play defense very well. State basically scored at will last year. They gave up wide open, uncontested shots and never fixed it. McCowan and Vivians had 30 something points each.

 

[Plebe]

I think this guy is right about Oregon. Last year they looked great but couldn’t get by ND. ND handled them. L’ville beat ND twice last year and had an easy time with Oregon in the regular season. I buy into there is something missing with Oregon. I was amazed what a lousy coaching job Kelly Graves did in that L’ville game. His team stunk and looked uninterested and they stunk verse A&M the previous game though they won. They pick it up in the PAC 12. They should have taken ND but Graves outcoached by MM

If beating a ranked team by 15 on their home court is your definition of "stinking," you're a tough crowd.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Maybe I am drinking my own kool aid but I really believe MSST wins bigger than we did against Texas,

I don't see that happening at all. Texas scored what, 49? I can't see UO struggling that badly to score points. MSU might win, but I think the Ducks are SIGNIFICANTLY better than Texas.

 

[willtalk]

Teams in WCBB don't really play enough games or each other to get a realistic evaluation where the stand in respect to their ranking. To many variables have a larger impact via each game. Teams/key players, can just have bad shooting games. Basketball is a game of timing and match ups. You can match up better with one team than another so there is some luck involved with just the bracketing for a start. Then there is timing- Comparitive scores often do not reflect that aspect. You can catch a team when they are shooting lights out or conversely are not hitting anything. An inferior team having a good day catching a better team on one of their lessor days will often win. Bad shooting can not always be attributed to good defense. All you have to do is watch good free throw shooters miss a couple in a row to recognize that fact.

When you have a single elimination tournament the " any given day factor" is big. With more paridy, this should begin to play a greater role in the final NCAA outcome. Sometimes it' better to be lucky than good.

 

[Jmsdawg]

I don't see that happening at all. Texas scored what, 49? I can't see UO struggling that badly to score points. MSU might win, but I think the Ducks are SIGNIFICANTLY better than Texas.

NWHOOP, Texas matched with MSST better than I believe Oregon will and MSST did not have a great shooting game. We beat Texas with tough hard play. I think State’s game will score a LOT against Oregon, that is why I said bigger win is likely. But I thought UCONN would not match well against ND, actually thought ND would win double digits and you know what happened in that game.

 

[nwhoopfan]

NWHOOP, Texas matched with MSST better than I believe Oregon will and MSST did not have a great shooting game. We beat Texas with tough hard play. I think State’s game will score a LOT against Oregon, that is why I said bigger win is likely. But I thought UCONN would not match well against ND, actually thought ND would win double digits and you know what happened in that game.

We'll see. UO has nobody that can contend w/ McCowan's size, but I think their guards are better than Texas. Also I think they are more disciplined and efficient on offense than Texas.

 

[shizam]

If beating a ranked team by 15 on their home court is your definition of "stinking," you're a tough crowd.

I watched the game. Two teams playing awful basketball. Both stunk. One stunk more. Poorly played.

 

[LoTrader]

We're going find out a lot about where Oregon and MSU stand soon enough. I expect a battle with McCowan hopefully being the difference maker.

Interested to see SI against State's quick and athletic guards.

State also has a challenging home game against Marquette coming up. Should be a win, but definitely one that can't be overlooked.

Sabrina has played in many games where her defenders are quicker and more athletic. Sabrina is much more skilled, and, has much higher basketball IQ than most every defender she faces. She is unique. Sabrina's contributions to UO are many, not just her scoring. She is a do everything well player. There are only a few of those in the country. Having said that, MSU is a solid program, and a solid defensive team. I am really looking forward to seeing how this plays out. Just so we're clear, I'm an OSU Beaver Believer, not a Duck supporter.

 

[Plebe]

I watched the game. Two teams playing awful basketball. Both stunk. One stunk more. Poorly played.

A&M is known for mucking up the game and forcing the opponent to "win ugly." I doubt Louisville would've done much better. Did you also watch Mississippi State's two wins over Texas A&M, which were by virtually identical margins?

 

[shizam]

A&M is known for mucking up the game and forcing the opponent to "win ugly." I doubt Louisville would've done much better. Did you also watch Mississippi State's two wins over Texas A&M, which were by virtually identical margins?

No I didn’t . My head is now spinning. Youre right L’ville is also good at mucking up. No disagreement. They normally have chemistry issues. Last year an exception. L’ville mucked up Oregon pretty good. Not an overly exciting game either. Oregon plays exciting PAC 12 ball. I watch it all the time. Plus their tourney run in 2017 was great.

 

[IWearShoes]

Sabrina has played in many games where her defenders are quicker and more athletic. Sabrina is much more skilled, and, has much higher basketball IQ than most every defender she faces. She is unique. Sabrina's contributions to UO are many, not just her scoring. She is a do everything well player. There are only a few of those in the country. Having said that, MSU is a solid program, and a solid defensive team. I am really looking forward to seeing how this plays out. Just so we're clear, I'm an OSU Beaver Believer, not a Duck supporter.

Yes, she's a stud. MSU has played Oregon twice the last two years so I've seen what she can do. Hebard was awesome in Starkville last year 11-12 or something like that.

As you indicated, they had no answer for McCowan last year. 35 and 19 I think. Both teams played lights out on offense. It was an entertaining game.

I'm not nearly as confident as the other Bulldogs on here seem to be. State led the whole way last year, but never put Oregon away, winning by 11.

Oregon is not great on D, but they can really score it. MSU will have to put up a lot of points. Need Anriel to find her stroke.

 

[SimpleDawg]

I'm not nearly as confident as the other Bulldogs on here seem to be. State led the whole way last year, but never put Oregon away, winning by 11.
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Didn't put them away? The score was 64-44 with 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter after Vivians heated up and went to virtual God mode.

We won't hold Oregon to 49 points, but we should score more than 67 on them. Vic plays different teams differently, and I'm pretty sure he's thinking he wants the score to be way higher than 67 which he was satisfied with against Texas. I don't think their defense is good enough, but we'll see if they've improved.


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