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My hot take, don't ever draft a running back in the 1st rd.

I refuse to say anything good about Dart until I see it on the field. Ya better have it right. Forgive me for having PTSD from Daniel Jones.
At least Dart has a much better resume than Jones. Dart was all-conference in the loaded SEC. Jones had 2600 passing yards, 22 passing tds and 9 picks his last year at Duke in a far worse conference. The Giants picked him solely based on size and intangibles because his production definitely didn't warrant it.
 
I gotta go with the Parcells philosophy here. It's just not worth the risk, even if you hit on the rb your team better have all pros around him to start his career. People will bring up Emmitt Smith and the Cowboys but that was an outlier and the Cowboys had a boatload of picks. As a matter of fact I wouldn't draft a rb till day 3, there are many good rbs that go undrafted every year too.

What did the Vikings win with Peterson, Giants with Saquon and of course Barry Sanders with the Lions, it's always better to have an above average to very good qb and oline then it is to have a great rb.
The Giants forgot that a running back without an offensive line is kind of dangerous to a running back. I recall QB Phil Simms getting his brains beat in on sacks for his first couple of years back in the day.
Just seems to me that some teams do what they have to do (without meddling owners)
to stay competitive year after year. When the Giants let Tuna go its been mostly downhill ever since with the exception of some years with Tom Coughlin. Pathetic.
 
Or Kayvon Thibodeaux or Deonte Banks, either.

Goes to show you the difference a good GM versus a bad one makes. Pivotal to the success or failure of a franchise. Sure, it is easy to say that Dave Gettleman was bad... because he was.

But the truth is that Joe Schoen so far has done a particularly lousy job as GM also. I thought he was an excellent hire in 2022. But his track record so far stinks.

To date:
1. Malik Nabors is the first 1st round draft choice he has hit on... 1 for 4. The 2022 draft with Thibodeaux and Neal in particular sticks out as a disaster. Also, not much good has come out of the later rounds either. On his 3 drafts Joe Schoen has been a failure. Grade: Failure

2. Brian Daboll hiring. Looked good for the first year... but then his spat with Wink Martindale that caused Wink to leave, lack of control over the locker room and puzzling in game decisions the last couple of years marks this as a failure also. So Schoen keeps Daboll and lets Martindale go. Turned out to be the wrong choice. Grade: Failure.

3. Signing Daniel Jones long term, letting Saquon Barkley go to the Eagles. Both terrible decisions. It looked even worse if you watched "Hard Knocks" and you saw Schoen talk about him. Schoen was clueless of Barkley's value to the franchise vs. Jones. Your the freaking GM! That is an integral part of your job, knowing the importance of your personnel. Grade: Failure

4. Biggest move of last off season was to trade for Brian Burns for 2nd and 5th round picks, and then gave him a 5-year, $150 million contract with $87 million of that guaranteed. You give up that much for a guy, he better be a difference maker. But if you watched the Giants last year you know that Burns was not nearly that much of a difference maker. Obviously, since they sucked most of the year. Grade: Failure.

5. One of most important jobs: how you manuever the cap. According to several reliable sources, including Sports Illustrated, the Giants are 14th in cap space. Yet they were arguably, along with the Browns the worst team in the league. So, they are over-paying for the talent they do have on the roster. This of course falls directly on the GM. Grade: Failure

Therefore, the guy has literally succeeded at hardly anything (give him Nabors on the draft and Bobby Okereke on free agency, but not much else) since he has been the GM. Very disappointing.

And it shows you how valuable the GM is in the NFL, for sure. Two bad GM's in a row, along with Jerry Reese also struggling over the last few years of his tenure than ended in 2017 and this is what results: 10 years of the worst franchise (at least record-wise) in all of the NFL.

Over 10 years of lousy football... AND WE'VE HAD ENOUGH!!!
Outstanding synopsis. Painful to read but excellent brutally honest summary. I would have fired Daboll and Schoen after wasting hundreds of millions on Jones and Burns alone. But to watch Saquon on the tonight show wearing his superbowl ring and goggling and then Mara re-signs them????
Mara is the real problem.
 
Outstanding synopsis. Painful to read but excellent brutally honest summary. I would have fired Daboll and Schoen after wasting hundreds of millions on Jones and Burns alone. But to watch Saquon on the tonight show wearing his superbowl ring and goggling and then Mara re-signs them????
Mara is the real problem.
Agree on Mara. Look at his track record. He might be a good man, but he’s a TERRIBLE executive

Fires Coughlin, hires MacAdoo, Shurmwr, Judge….Daboll?

Hires Reese, Gettleman, Schoen (keeps Jones, drops Saquan)

any success they had under his leadership were with his fathers hires. Once he started making decisions it all went downhill…fast

Unfortunately, we can’t fire the owner
 
Agree on Mara. Look at his track record. He might be a good man, but he’s a TERRIBLE executive

Fires Coughlin, hires MacAdoo, Shurmwr, Judge….Daboll?

Hires Reese, Gettleman, Schoen (keeps Jones, drops Saquan)

any success they had under his leadership were with his fathers hires. Once he started making decisions it all went downhill…fast

Unfortunately, we can’t fire the owner
Wellington didn't exactly light the world on fire himself, he finally got it right with Parcells, Fassell and Coughlin hires.
 
The Giants forgot that a running back without an offensive line is kind of dangerous to a running back. I recall QB Phil Simms getting his brains beat in on sacks for his first couple of years back in the day.
Just seems to me that some teams do what they have to do (without meddling owners)
to stay competitive year after year. When the Giants let Tuna go its been mostly downhill ever since with the exception of some years with Tom Coughlin. Pathetic.
Yep it's why I'm an Eli homer.
 
At least Dart has a much better resume than Jones. Dart was all-conference in the loaded SEC. Jones had 2600 passing yards, 22 passing tds and 9 picks his last year at Duke in a far worse conference. The Giants picked him solely based on size and intangibles because his production definitely didn't warrant it.
True and it's a better spot then 6th overall, drafting over Carter at 3 definitely would've been a Gettleman move lol.
 
This isn't a particularly hot take IMO.
You draft game breakers in first round. You don’t draft productive runners.

So, Barkley, McCafrey, etc.

If the RB you are looking for has an extra gear, he is worth it.

I look at RBs in this way. Does he have the explosiveness to turn that 20 yard run into a TD? Barkley is clearly a difference maker. Barring that, answer is no on RB.
 
The other thing to consider is value. We devalued RB so much, that the eagles got a legendary game breaker for $13M, which if he had that ability at WR he would be worth $20M.

You take game wrecking running backs that defenses have to game plan against in the top of the draft. And, you pray for injury luck.
 
I am a Detroit lifelong fan (since '78) and yes Barry Sanders was generational so worthy of a top pick, but didn't they just grab Gibbs two years ago with the 12th pick? Seems to have worked well for them.

Overall draft gamers who are athletes, glue guys, and bring the energy. Be they RB or DL or CB that is how you build a good team.
 
Wellington didn't exactly light the world on fire himself, he finally got it right with Parcells, Fassell and Coughlin hires.
His run started when he hired George young…at the commissioner’s insistence. But he got it right for 25 years. John has been an abject failure in his hiring
 
I’m glad the Patriots took Campbell and not Jeanty. The RB in today’s passing league is the cherry on top of the sundae. If you have no line or receivers to take defenders out of the box, then you have no ice cream. A RB in the first round is fine if you have significant pieces already in place. Otherwise I think it’s kind of foolish.
 
Are those your own thoughts or you just leaning into that narrative. Sitting and learning from a vet would be an ideal situation for him.
You think he'll sit and learn???
 
Taking Dart is like training to raise Eli from the dead. His Ole Miss pedigree and relationship with the family are well known.

Hope it works.
 
You think he'll sit and learn???
We'll see, I'm gonna take a wait and see approach on Shedeur. I know it's the cool and trendy thing to jump into this narrative that he's a locker room team cancer but I'm not gonna jump into that narrative. A lot of the thoughts are targeted outrage and no one's own opinions on him.
 
Emmit Smith: 17th pick
Marshall Faulk: 2nd pick
Edgerrin James: 4th pick
Those guys on top, off the top of my memory, all first rounders and all with rings. I know there others, but I am not researching this. The guys below are all first rounders, with no rings:
Barry Sanders: 3rd pick
Adrian Peterson: 4th pick I think
OJ: 1st

The overall premise that you do not draft rb's in the first round is rubbish. I am not even counting the active players, Gibbs, Robinson, and CMC, all of whom are sure fire stars for their teams.
 
Emmit Smith: 17th pick
Marshall Faulk: 2nd pick
Edgerrin James: 4th pick
Those guys on top, off the top of my memory, all first rounders and all with rings. I know there others, but I am not researching this. The guys below are all first rounders, with no rings:
Barry Sanders: 3rd pick
Adrian Peterson: 4th pick I think
OJ: 1st

The overall premise that you do not draft rb's in the first round is rubbish. I am not even counting the active players, Gibbs, Robinson, and CMC, all of whom are sure fire stars for their teams.
Saquon, LT, Ricky Williams, etc.
 
We'll see, I'm gonna take a wait and see approach on Shedeur. I know it's the cool and trendy thing to jump into this narrative that he's a locker room team cancer but I'm not gonna jump into that narrative. A lot of the thoughts are targeted outrage and no one's own opinions on him.
Do you have any reasoning behind your stand there? Have you seen or heard anything to the contrary that goes against "where there's smoke, there's fire?"

He built a customized draft room in his house with "LEGENDARY" emblazoned all over everything and his logo is 2 dollar signs. Is that trendy unsupported narrative?

 
Do you have any reasoning behind your stand there? Have you seen or heard anything to the contrary that goes against "where there's smoke, there's fire?"

He built a customized draft room in his house with "LEGENDARY" emblazoned all over everything and his logo is 2 dollar signs. Is that trendy unsupported narrative?

Yes there are red flags of course and there are legit reasons he fell in the draft. He interviewed poorly.

I'm not taking a stand for or against Shedeur I'm just taking a wait and see approach and not running on a narrative. He didn't fall in the draft because of his own customed brand lol, if that were the case then why did Travis Hunter go number 2.
 
Do you have any reasoning behind your stand there? Have you seen or heard anything to the contrary that goes against "where there's smoke, there's fire?"

He built a customized draft room in his house with "LEGENDARY" emblazoned all over everything and his logo is 2 dollar signs. Is that trendy unsupported narrative?

Kid wants to be legendary, he is surrounding himself with motivation. I understand Deion and Shedeur got a lot of attention and certainly come off as cocky, but that attracts attention and is overall good for the brand. I think Shedeur will be good, I think the NFL will be a reality check, and Deion not constantly being around will help.
 
Emmit Smith: 17th pick
Marshall Faulk: 2nd pick
Edgerrin James: 4th pick
Those guys on top, off the top of my memory, all first rounders and all with rings. I know there others, but I am not researching this. The guys below are all first rounders, with no rings:
Barry Sanders: 3rd pick
Adrian Peterson: 4th pick I think
OJ: 1st

The overall premise that you do not draft rb's in the first round is rubbish. I am not even counting the active players, Gibbs, Robinson, and CMC, all of whom are sure fire stars for their teams.
Edgerrin James did not win a ring, the Colts won it in Joseph Addai rookie year also a 1st rd pick was kind of a bust. As a matter of fact Dominic Rhodes an undrafted rb had a great playoff run with Colts in their Super Bowl season, he split carries with Addai that year, Edgerrin James went to the Cardinals that year.

Cowboys had a boat load of picks, they had drafted Tony Cadillac and Russell Maryland with higher picks they weren't great but very good dlineman.

Faulk went to the Rams to win his ring, and was around more weapons like Bruce and Holt and Warner, along with a very good line led by HOF Pace, Faulk only played with Peyton in Peyton's rookie year. There's always good backs later on in the draft, the history shows it's better to have 3 good backs than 1 great one.
 
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Kid wants to be legendary, he is surrounding himself with motivation. I understand Deion and Shedeur got a lot of attention and certainly come off as cocky, but that attracts attention and is overall good for the brand. I think Shedeur will be good, I think the NFL will be a reality check, and Deion not constantly being around will help.
I'm a little pissed that Dart was picked over Sanders, apparently Schoen liked Sanders more but Daboll like Dart more.
 
Kid wants to be legendary, he is surrounding himself with motivation. I understand Deion and Shedeur got a lot of attention and certainly come off as cocky, but that attracts attention and is overall good for the brand. I think Shedeur will be good, I think the NFL will be a reality check, and Deion not constantly being around will help.
I guess if you come from that point of view, that's your call. Using phrases like "surrounding himself with motivation" is an interesting choice. Especially when you hear stories about guys like Jerry Rice who lost games and were seen running hills at 5 am the next day.

And again, "come off as cocky" is also interesting. I feel comfortable saying he IS cocky.

And seeing guys a lot more talented him in college flame out in the pros (I could name 30 off the top of my head), I guess I just don't see how this stuff puts him on the path to really actually being legendary on the field.
 
First RB picked by year. Lots of good one and gold jackets.

  • YearPickPlayer
    19708Larry Stegent
    19716John Riggins
    197213Franco Harris
    19739Otis Armstrong
    19742Bo Matthews
    19754Walter Payton
    19763Chuck Muncie
    19771Ricky Bell
    19781Earl Campbell
    19798Ottis Anderson
    19801Billy Sims
    19811George Rogers
    19827Darrin Nelson
    19832Eric Dickerson
    198426Greg Bell
    198519George Adams
    19861Bo Jackson
    19873Alonzo Highsmith
    198814Gaston Green
    19893Barry Sanders
    19902Blair Thomas
    199114Leonard Russell
    19929Tommy Vardell
    19933Garrison Hearst
    19942Marshall Faulk
    19951Ki-Jana Carter
    19966Lawrence Phillips
    199712Warrick Dunn
    19985Curtis Enis
    19994Edgerrin James
    20005Jamal Lewis
    20015LaDainian Tomlinson
    200216William Green
    200323Willis McGahee
    200424Steven Jackson
    20052Ronnie Brown
    20062Reggie Bush
    20077Adrian Peterson
    20084Darren McFadden
    200912Knowshon Moreno
    20109C.J. Spiller
    201128Mark Ingram
    20123Trent Richardson
    201337Giovani Bernard
    201454Bishop Sankey
    201510Todd Gurley
    20164Ezekiel Elliott
    20174Leonard Fournette
    20182Saquon Barkley
    201924Josh Jacobs
    202032Clyde Edwards-Helaire
    202124Najee Harris
    202236Breece Hall
    20238Bijan Robinson
 
I guess if you come from that point of view, that's your call. Using phrases like "surrounding himself with motivation" is an interesting choice. Especially when you hear stories about guys like Jerry Rice who lost games and were seen running hills at 5 am the next day.

And again, "come off as cocky" is also interesting. I feel comfortable saying he IS cocky.

And seeing guys a lot more talented him in college flame out in the pros (I could name 30 off the top of my head), I guess I just don't see how this stuff puts him on the path to really actually being legendary on the field.
Fair point, but he isn't at all like Ryan Leaf and other flame outs. Kid has real skill and solid numbers from CO. Who cares if he's cocky? Joe Namath used to be on the sidelines in a full fur coat and sunglasses yet he could ball. As if Prime Time was gonna have a non-cocky kid playing football.
 

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