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My hot take, don't ever draft a running back in the 1st rd.

As usual, I think the truth is somewhere between two extremes when it comes to Shedeur. He's clearly been overrated for years now as a prospect by the media. Intentionally? Maybe. It's definitely not bad for business. Colorado games got huge ratings, and I imagine the draft coverage will as well. I tend to think a lot of QBs get overrated for similar reasons.

But every draft guru on the planet had him going second round at the latest for a reason. He's a legitimately good prospect that led the country in several key statistics on a Colorado team that was arguably the worst power program in college football before he arrived.

Is he cocky? Yeah. Is he immature? Yes. Did he interview well? Probably not.

Just don't be naive. That stuff has been known for months, and it didn't stop him from appearing on every prominent mock draft - which are generated by credentialed reporters based on intel from actual scouts - under the sun. It didn't stop Vegas from listing him at +10000 to last past the second round as of yesterday.

I won't go as far as to call this a coordinated blackball attempt, but much like Kaep it does feel like a good reminder that when it comes to NFL owners acting in lockstep on issues pertaining to player control, no conspiracy is required. They're all rowing in the same direction and that's why they're so successful.
 
This has nothing to do with Kaepernick.

Jay Glazer had a great take that red flags used to be injuries or character issues. Now you have to contemplate NIL and if a guy has the incentive to grind and work for his money. Or are some players going to come in, go through the motions and get paid millions because that’s what they did in college.

If you draft Sanders, is he first at the complex every day and last there watching tape?
 
Ok something was definetly said in the interview process, let this be a message to kids with bags of NIL money, the NFL will not be ran like the NBA with power movement, veteran qbs can't even get away with that. There is far more to the story then what we know.

A 26 year old qb, Jalen Milroe, and Dillon Gabriel go before Shedeur lol. Those qbs seem to be more coachable, also who knows what Deion had said to NFL teams during the process, apparently Shedeur always brings his media team around wherever he goes. Teams just don't wanna deal with the circus for a backup qb and he's just not that good. The mainstream media was fooled.

It's just like any job if you interview poorly you won't get the job, this isn't a wr here it's a qb. The character issues are worse then a lot of people thought apparently.
 
champs99and04 said:
As usual, I think the truth is somewhere between two extremes when it comes to Shedeur. He's clearly been overrated for years now as a prospect by the media. Intentionally? Maybe. It's definitely not bad for business. Colorado games got huge ratings, and I imagine the draft coverage will as well. I tend to think a lot of QBs get overrated for similar reasons.

But every draft guru on the planet had him going second round at the latest for a reason. He's a legitimately good prospect that led the country in several key statistics on a Colorado team that was arguably the worst power program in college football before he arrived.

Is he cocky? Yeah. Is he immature? Yes. Did he interview well? Probably not.

Just don't be naive. That stuff has been known for months, and it didn't stop him from appearing on every prominent mock draft - which are generated by credentialed reporters based on intel from actual scouts - under the sun. It didn't stop Vegas from listing him at +10000 to last past the second round as of yesterday.

I won't go as far as to call this a coordinated blackball attempt, but much like Kaep it does feel like a good reminder that when it comes to NFL owners acting in lockstep on issues pertaining to player control, no conspiracy is required. They're all rowing in the same direction and that's why they're so successful.
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Was he really +10000? Wish I got in on that action.
 
I think at this point Shedeur is well above the round he's being drafted at talent wise. The question that I think teams are asking themselves is are they confident they can weather the "Deion will be the coach next year rumors," every time that they lose a game or the potential social media fallout if Shedeur isn't anointed the starter.

There are very few teams/coaches who have that level of confidence... and most of them (except perhaps Pittsburgh) don't have a need at QB for this year... but is the distraction worth developing Shedeur for the future; is Shedeur willing to wait quietly for his "turn" (say what you want, but I don't recall Rodgers constantly agitating to play ahead of Favre during that development timeframe). Given the public persona that he's put out there, it's probably hard to think that's the case.
 
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The crime here is that no one has the balls to use this situation to celebrate what a good kid Cam Ward is and how he’s probably working out this morning. Instead they pander to a selfish overhyped brat.
 
Deepster said:
They pander to a selfish overhyped brat.
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Pardon me, but Shedeur’s the most talented QB in this year’s draft. Those teams that keep passing over Shedeur because they foresee a “distraction” and can’t get beyond his “bravado interviews” and cocky demeanor, will come to regret it. We’re also hearing about (wink wink) his lack of athleticism and “weak arm strength” As I recall, Tom Brady was another QB questioned about his “arm strength” and athleticism, still sitting there in the 6th round while teams with dumb as dirt management were picking QB’s named Giovanni Carmazzi, and Spergon Wynn!! (remember them?) Think Jaxson Dart and Dillon Gabriel!
Get out your popcorn and watch all these brilliant GM lemmings try to excuse and explain away their draft blunder after Shedeur finally gets picked. He‘s far from selfish. He’s highly committed to team and teamwork—and he’s made for the moment. Once he displays his amazing accuracy and tears up the league they’ll realize his bravado was always his greatest strength: the leadership flair that can galvanize and inspire teammates toward their best performances each week. He showed it while rejuvenating dismal Jackson State and moribund Colorado. Bottom line he’s driven to excel, and to win. There’s nothing overhyped about it. I can’t wait to watch it happen.
 
Nostical said:
Pardon me, but Shedeur’s the most talented QB in this year’s draft. Those teams that keep passing over Shedeur because they foresee a “distraction” and can’t get beyond his “bravado interviews” and cocky demeanor, will come to regret it. We’re also hearing about (wink wink) his lack of athleticism and “weak arm strength” As I recall, Tom Brady was another QB questioned about his “arm strength” and athleticism, still sitting there in the 6th round while teams with dumb as dirt management were picking QB’s named Giovanni Carmazzi, and Spergon Wynn!! (remember them?) Think Jaxson Dart and Dillon Gabriel!
Get out your popcorn and watch all these brilliant GM lemmings try to excuse and explain away their draft blunder after Shedeur finally gets picked. He‘s far from selfish. He’s highly committed to team and teamwork—and he’s made for the moment. Once he displays his amazing accuracy and tears up the league they’ll realize his bravado was always his greatest strength: the leadership flair that can galvanize and inspire teammates toward their best performances each week. He showed it while rejuvenating dismal Jackson State and moribund Colorado. Bottom line he’s driven to excel, and to win. There’s nothing overhyped about it. I can’t wait to watch it happen.
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You could be right, however you don't know what went on in the interview process. Also Shedeur wasn't good against the best competition, is that the reason he fell this far in the draft probably not. I bet the questions were asked about his bad starts, there is speculation out there that he threw his teammates under the bus. Again this is just speculation on my part, apparently he tried to pull an Eli with other teams saying I won't play here, and he had Deion call in on FaceTime in those
meetings.
 
Nostical said:
Pardon me, but Shedeur’s the most talented QB in this year’s draft. Those teams that keep passing over Shedeur because they foresee a “distraction” and can’t get beyond his “bravado interviews” and cocky demeanor, will come to regret it. We’re also hearing about (wink wink) his lack of athleticism and “weak arm strength” As I recall, Tom Brady was another QB questioned about his “arm strength” and athleticism, still sitting there in the 6th round while teams with dumb as dirt management were picking QB’s named Giovanni Carmazzi, and Spergon Wynn!! (remember them?) Think Jaxson Dart and Dillon Gabriel!
Get out your popcorn and watch all these brilliant GM lemmings try to excuse and explain away their draft blunder after Shedeur finally gets picked. He‘s far from selfish. He’s highly committed to team and teamwork—and he’s made for the moment. Once he displays his amazing accuracy and tears up the league they’ll realize his bravado was always his greatest strength: the leadership flair that can galvanize and inspire teammates toward their best performances each week. He showed it while rejuvenating dismal Jackson State and moribund Colorado. Bottom line he’s driven to excel, and to win. There’s nothing overhyped about it. I can’t wait to watch it happen.
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Sure thing, Coach Prime.
 
Nostical said:
Pardon me, but Shedeur’s the most talented QB in this year’s draft. Those teams that keep passing over Shedeur because they foresee a “distraction” and can’t get beyond his “bravado interviews” and cocky demeanor, will come to regret it. We’re also hearing about (wink wink) his lack of athleticism and “weak arm strength” As I recall, Tom Brady was another QB questioned about his “arm strength” and athleticism, still sitting there in the 6th round while teams with dumb as dirt management were picking QB’s named Giovanni Carmazzi, and Spergon Wynn!! (remember them?) Think Jaxson Dart and Dillon Gabriel!
Get out your popcorn and watch all these brilliant GM lemmings try to excuse and explain away their draft blunder after Shedeur finally gets picked. He‘s far from selfish. He’s highly committed to team and teamwork—and he’s made for the moment. Once he displays his amazing accuracy and tears up the league they’ll realize his bravado was always his greatest strength: the leadership flair that can galvanize and inspire teammates toward their best performances each week. He showed it while rejuvenating dismal Jackson State and moribund Colorado. Bottom line he’s driven to excel, and to win. There’s nothing overhyped about it. I can’t wait to watch it happen.
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What a horrible take.

I don't know you, but I'm going to trust the GM, scouts and war rooms of 32 professional NFL franchises here.
 
Deepster said:
What a horrible take.

I don't know you, but I'm going to trust the GM, scouts and war rooms of 32 professional NFL franchises here.
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It’s actually an accurate take. Now tell me just how much you trusted your 32 Pro franchises about Brady? (Bad example? Maybe, but there are lots of others.) There’s a group mentality that permeates the crowd. It takes a resolute owner and a GM with balls to take on the “circus”—but I say it’s worth it for Shedeur. Let’s see who drafts him and which of us are closer to being right.
 
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Scoe said:
Bingo exactly this, and this is just what we know. Apparently Daboll asked Shedeur to run a play package and he refused to do it.
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Apparently? Look, NFL teams have every right to balk at drafting Shedeur for any legitimate reason but their reasons appear petty and vindictive and will ultimately prove to be misguided.
 
Nostical said:
It’s actually an accurate take. Now tell me just how much you trusted your 32 Pro franchises about Brady? (Bad example? Maybe, but there are lots of others.) There’s a group mentality that permeates the crowd. It takes a resolute owner and a GM with balls to take on the “circus”—but I say it’s worth it for Shedeur. Let’s see who drafts him and which of us are closer to being right.
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He’s closer to Jamarcus Russell than he is to Brady.
 
Just watching college football as a casual fan last year thought the Miami kid was great (guess NFL guys think so too) but also thought Shedeur was up there too. Looks like he played the room incorrectly by not trying to personally show out for teams. Some team is going to have the "Brady" pick or the "Johnny football" pick or somewhere in between. I still seeing NFL starter. As far as speed goes, how slow can Prime's son be?
 
There he goes to the Browns. Let's see how he does, hopefully this humbled him and he takes a lesson in humility. Have a qb competition with Gabriel, an aging Flacco isn't playing 17 games.
 
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Browns now have Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dillon Gabriel, and Shedeur Sanders. They have an absolute stranglehold on mediocre QB's.
 
Deepster said:
The crime here is that no one has the balls to use this situation to celebrate what a good kid Cam Ward is and how he’s probably working out this morning. Instead they pander to a selfish overhyped brat.
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The takes from the talking heads have been hilarious. They did get me to watch a draft I had no idea was happening.




 
superjohn said:
Browns now have Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dillon Gabriel, and Shedeur Sanders. They have an absolute stranglehold on mediocre QB's.
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How insane is that franchise. Sanders will eventually become the starting QB. He likely would be wherever he would have landed but how Cleveland sheds these extraneous QB’s will be interesting to see. Several will be trade elements but good freaking luck to that front office.
 
Maybe he is just an excellent college qb whose game does not translate to NFL? From all the technical podcasts and articles I consume (ones that actually breakdown tape), Shadeur held on to the ball a long, and wasn’t asked to make every throw.

The interesting thing that many of these analysts were pointing out was just how good Travis Hunter was as a receiver and the fact teams should be playing him primarily on offense and not defense which was the thought before the season.

I don’t think Sanders should have slipped as far as he did. Third round seemed about right as the draft was unfolding. I was scratching my head when Gabriel was drafted over him, but I like the Browns took a flyer on Shadeur a few rounds later.
 
I guess this is now the draft thread lol. Chase Lundt is now top 10 available on Kipers list.
 
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Husky25 said:
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It sounds more and more like he kind of made his own bed.

I'll be the first to tell you that I hate the dog-and-pony show of a combine. Is he fast enough? Does he jump high enough? How many pounds did he bench press? I don't know, man... but the dude seems to play football pretty well.

However, that is the way that you get an evaluation from 32 billion-dollar franchises in order to get paid millions of dollars as a player. If you do your very best to avoid evaluation and only talk to teams you like... well, then you don't get picked in the first 3 rounds because they don't want to put their billion dollar franchise in your hands...
 
UConnDan97 said:
However, that is the way that you get an evaluation from 32 billion-dollar franchises in order to get paid millions of dollars as a player. If you do your very best to avoid evaluation and only talk to teams you like... well, then you don't get picked in the first 3 rounds because they don't want to put their billion dollar franchise in your hands...
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I'm pretty sure that the teams care more about the medicals and interviews at the combine. The drills are for the people.
 
CCSUblue said:
I'm pretty sure that the teams care more about the medicals and interviews at the combine. The drills are for the people.
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... and it sounds like he skipped those too...
 
superjohn said:
Everything surrounding Shedeur Sanders is weird. He was the only player I really heard about before the draft, some people can't stand him, the guys on ESPN want to marry him, and there's this which is just cruel...

www.nytimes.com

Shedeur Sanders victim of prank phone call during wait to be drafted: ‘Why get mad?’

The caller claimed to be Saints GM Mickey Loomis. Shedeur Sanders downplayed the prank, saying, 'why get mad?'
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Nah. Check this clip out of him getting in the face of a ball boy. He deserved to be knocked down a peg.

 
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