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My hot take, don't ever draft a running back in the 1st rd.

Scoe said:
Are those your own thoughts or you just leaning into that narrative. Sitting and learning from a vet would be an ideal situation for him.
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A bit of both. I also heard some things from a good source about Cam Ward in interviews.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
True, a very sad organization over the past 12+ years. It kind of reminds me of two 12+ year stretches Green Bay experienced from 1969 to 1993.
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lol. Thank God, I was under 10 years old back then but giants were pretty brutal too pre-LT/parcells - 1970s giants were disgusting how far back you wanna go ? gnute rockne and the four Horsemen? . ? How bout Jim Thorpe?
 
There is an APB out on Shedeur Sanders even tho he hasn't been missing for 48 hours yet.
 
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navery12 said:
Carter at 3 and moving back up for Shedeur or Dart would be a perfect draft. Wouldn't even care what happens on days 2 and 3
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I refuse to say anything good about Dart until I see it on the field. Ya better have it right. Forgive me for having PTSD from Daniel Jones.
 
Shadur on browns or raiders tmrw. Raiders wud be cool with jeanty and bauers. Browns wud be yawn
 
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Scoe said:
I refuse to say anything good about Dart until I see it on the field. Ya better have it right. Forgive me for having PTSD from Daniel Jones.
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At least Dart has a much better resume than Jones. Dart was all-conference in the loaded SEC. Jones had 2600 passing yards, 22 passing tds and 9 picks his last year at Duke in a far worse conference. The Giants picked him solely based on size and intangibles because his production definitely didn't warrant it.
 
Scoe said:
I gotta go with the Parcells philosophy here. It's just not worth the risk, even if you hit on the rb your team better have all pros around him to start his career. People will bring up Emmitt Smith and the Cowboys but that was an outlier and the Cowboys had a boatload of picks. As a matter of fact I wouldn't draft a rb till day 3, there are many good rbs that go undrafted every year too.

What did the Vikings win with Peterson, Giants with Saquon and of course Barry Sanders with the Lions, it's always better to have an above average to very good qb and oline then it is to have a great rb.
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The Giants forgot that a running back without an offensive line is kind of dangerous to a running back. I recall QB Phil Simms getting his brains beat in on sacks for his first couple of years back in the day.
Just seems to me that some teams do what they have to do (without meddling owners)
to stay competitive year after year. When the Giants let Tuna go its been mostly downhill ever since with the exception of some years with Tom Coughlin. Pathetic.
 
LStudfellow said:
Or Kayvon Thibodeaux or Deonte Banks, either.

Goes to show you the difference a good GM versus a bad one makes. Pivotal to the success or failure of a franchise. Sure, it is easy to say that Dave Gettleman was bad... because he was.

But the truth is that Joe Schoen so far has done a particularly lousy job as GM also. I thought he was an excellent hire in 2022. But his track record so far stinks.

To date:
1. Malik Nabors is the first 1st round draft choice he has hit on... 1 for 4. The 2022 draft with Thibodeaux and Neal in particular sticks out as a disaster. Also, not much good has come out of the later rounds either. On his 3 drafts Joe Schoen has been a failure. Grade: Failure

2. Brian Daboll hiring. Looked good for the first year... but then his spat with Wink Martindale that caused Wink to leave, lack of control over the locker room and puzzling in game decisions the last couple of years marks this as a failure also. So Schoen keeps Daboll and lets Martindale go. Turned out to be the wrong choice. Grade: Failure.

3. Signing Daniel Jones long term, letting Saquon Barkley go to the Eagles. Both terrible decisions. It looked even worse if you watched "Hard Knocks" and you saw Schoen talk about him. Schoen was clueless of Barkley's value to the franchise vs. Jones. Your the freaking GM! That is an integral part of your job, knowing the importance of your personnel. Grade: Failure

4. Biggest move of last off season was to trade for Brian Burns for 2nd and 5th round picks, and then gave him a 5-year, $150 million contract with $87 million of that guaranteed. You give up that much for a guy, he better be a difference maker. But if you watched the Giants last year you know that Burns was not nearly that much of a difference maker. Obviously, since they sucked most of the year. Grade: Failure.

5. One of most important jobs: how you manuever the cap. According to several reliable sources, including Sports Illustrated, the Giants are 14th in cap space. Yet they were arguably, along with the Browns the worst team in the league. So, they are over-paying for the talent they do have on the roster. This of course falls directly on the GM. Grade: Failure

Therefore, the guy has literally succeeded at hardly anything (give him Nabors on the draft and Bobby Okereke on free agency, but not much else) since he has been the GM. Very disappointing.

And it shows you how valuable the GM is in the NFL, for sure. Two bad GM's in a row, along with Jerry Reese also struggling over the last few years of his tenure than ended in 2017 and this is what results: 10 years of the worst franchise (at least record-wise) in all of the NFL.

Over 10 years of lousy football... AND WE'VE HAD ENOUGH!!!
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Outstanding synopsis. Painful to read but excellent brutally honest summary. I would have fired Daboll and Schoen after wasting hundreds of millions on Jones and Burns alone. But to watch Saquon on the tonight show wearing his superbowl ring and goggling and then Mara re-signs them????
Mara is the real problem.
 
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TheShot1990 said:
Outstanding synopsis. Painful to read but excellent brutally honest summary. I would have fired Daboll and Schoen after wasting hundreds of millions on Jones and Burns alone. But to watch Saquon on the tonight show wearing his superbowl ring and goggling and then Mara re-signs them????
Mara is the real problem.
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Agree on Mara. Look at his track record. He might be a good man, but he’s a TERRIBLE executive

Fires Coughlin, hires MacAdoo, Shurmwr, Judge….Daboll?

Hires Reese, Gettleman, Schoen (keeps Jones, drops Saquan)

any success they had under his leadership were with his fathers hires. Once he started making decisions it all went downhill…fast

Unfortunately, we can’t fire the owner
 
NJHusky said:
Agree on Mara. Look at his track record. He might be a good man, but he’s a TERRIBLE executive

Fires Coughlin, hires MacAdoo, Shurmwr, Judge….Daboll?

Hires Reese, Gettleman, Schoen (keeps Jones, drops Saquan)

any success they had under his leadership were with his fathers hires. Once he started making decisions it all went downhill…fast

Unfortunately, we can’t fire the owner
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Wellington didn't exactly light the world on fire himself, he finally got it right with Parcells, Fassell and Coughlin hires.
 
dennismenace said:
The Giants forgot that a running back without an offensive line is kind of dangerous to a running back. I recall QB Phil Simms getting his brains beat in on sacks for his first couple of years back in the day.
Just seems to me that some teams do what they have to do (without meddling owners)
to stay competitive year after year. When the Giants let Tuna go its been mostly downhill ever since with the exception of some years with Tom Coughlin. Pathetic.
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Yep it's why I'm an Eli homer.
 
That Guy said:
At least Dart has a much better resume than Jones. Dart was all-conference in the loaded SEC. Jones had 2600 passing yards, 22 passing tds and 9 picks his last year at Duke in a far worse conference. The Giants picked him solely based on size and intangibles because his production definitely didn't warrant it.
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True and it's a better spot then 6th overall, drafting over Carter at 3 definitely would've been a Gettleman move lol.
 
husky429 said:
This isn't a particularly hot take IMO.
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You draft game breakers in first round. You don’t draft productive runners.

So, Barkley, McCafrey, etc.

If the RB you are looking for has an extra gear, he is worth it.

I look at RBs in this way. Does he have the explosiveness to turn that 20 yard run into a TD? Barkley is clearly a difference maker. Barring that, answer is no on RB.
 
The other thing to consider is value. We devalued RB so much, that the eagles got a legendary game breaker for $13M, which if he had that ability at WR he would be worth $20M.

You take game wrecking running backs that defenses have to game plan against in the top of the draft. And, you pray for injury luck.
 
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I am a Detroit lifelong fan (since '78) and yes Barry Sanders was generational so worthy of a top pick, but didn't they just grab Gibbs two years ago with the 12th pick? Seems to have worked well for them.

Overall draft gamers who are athletes, glue guys, and bring the energy. Be they RB or DL or CB that is how you build a good team.
 
Scoe said:
Wellington didn't exactly light the world on fire himself, he finally got it right with Parcells, Fassell and Coughlin hires.
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His run started when he hired George young…at the commissioner’s insistence. But he got it right for 25 years. John has been an abject failure in his hiring
 
I’m glad the Patriots took Campbell and not Jeanty. The RB in today’s passing league is the cherry on top of the sundae. If you have no line or receivers to take defenders out of the box, then you have no ice cream. A RB in the first round is fine if you have significant pieces already in place. Otherwise I think it’s kind of foolish.
 
Scoe said:
Are those your own thoughts or you just leaning into that narrative. Sitting and learning from a vet would be an ideal situation for him.
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You think he'll sit and learn???
 
Taking Dart is like training to raise Eli from the dead. His Ole Miss pedigree and relationship with the family are well known.

Hope it works.
 
Deepster said:
You think he'll sit and learn???
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We'll see, I'm gonna take a wait and see approach on Shedeur. I know it's the cool and trendy thing to jump into this narrative that he's a locker room team cancer but I'm not gonna jump into that narrative. A lot of the thoughts are targeted outrage and no one's own opinions on him.
 
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