Muffet Speaks With Only A Little Hoof and Mouth

[wallman]

And here, I thought I was visiting a Uconn board!

 

[Ozimoto]

Are you serious?. It just bothers you so much to hear that you lost a lot and might actually be human this year. All she is saying is that by them losing some big parts to their team and others not losing as much that things are wide open. She brung up U Conn because she was talking about women's basketball and they are the team to beat every year. Some people are mad that she brought them up and others are mad she didn't bring them up when answering another question. She will never get a fair shake with your fans because she is the coach of your biggest rival. No matter what she says someone will always find a way to bring out the negative. Give the lady a break.

Don't disagree with you on this. However, this is what happens when you have intense (often insanely so) rivalries between teams and their fans. This is a UCONN board, after all. The same could be said for how people react to what Geno says on other team's fan forums. It goes with the territory.

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

As Nan once reminded us: Grudges on the Boneyard die hard. Tara Vander Veer was perceived to mistreat Rebecca (Olympics 2000) and she has never been forgiven here.

Not to jump in with another issue, but I always thought it was because of an alleged comment that Vanderveer made about having "five Nykesha Sales" on her team or something to that effect.
***Note that I used the word alleged because I personally have never Googled or conducted any search to see if the statement (or something substantively similar) was actually made.

McGraw: NCAA women might see parity in '16-17

Seems she and the rest of the NCAA, except UConn, lost little talent. How will Madison Cable feel about that?

Coach McGraw said, "This was the year nobody lost a lot of talent except for Connecticut. So I think that really evens things out."

Per ESPN, UConn had the #1, #2, and #6 recruits. They won four straight national titles. They graduated. So UConn "lost a lot of talent." (emphasis added).

Coach McGraw was not saying that her players were not talented. But no team lost the same level of elite talent that UConn did to graduation. She did not say Madison Cable was not talented. And by the way, Cable was the 52nd ranked recruit per ESPN and, undre Muffet's coaching and tutelage, became the ACC Tournament Most Valuable Player, an All-ACC First Team, and Honorable Mention All-American (and did so while setting becoming the 10th ranked playing in NCAA history with a career three-point field-goal percentage of. 456). Now *that* is a great example player development and maximizing a player's talent and abilities.

Back to the article, I read Coach McGraw's comments as incredibly complimentary of UConn, in terms of the elite players who just graduated, and that there will be more parity this year in women's college basketball.

As for her statements about Turner and Allen, would you expect the coach of All-Conference players and All-American candidates (and preseason All-American selections) to say, "Well, my players are good, but these other players are better/the best." You might expect a coach to say that after losing a game (e.g., "Diana Taurasi showed why she is the best player in the world tonight, and we could do nothing to stop her."). But in a preseason article? Not likely. As a player, you want your coach "pumping you up," building hype, building your confidence...and then giving them the tools and coaching/leadership/abilities to demonstrate/back up/exceed your statements on the court.

 

[cbraarj]

Coco: I'm sure you're aware of this but it was the annual media day press conference out in South Bend (not press release day). Last time I checked even the Notre Dame sports media department (they're not all controlling as some have inferred) allows the press to ask the questions. To my reading of the transcript, all of two questions deviated from inter-team questions.
Here they are:

When you look at the national scene, what are you expecting this year?
"I'm expecting that this is the year where parity finally hits women's basketball. It's a long time coming. I think it's going to be great for the game. I think there's a lot of teams that can win it, just in our conference. Louisville is a great team with just about everybody coming back. Miami's got everybody coming back. Syracuse is coming off a Final Four. Duke's a team that's a little under the radar right now. There's a lot of great talent in the ACC.

"Nationally, you've got Tennessee with just about everybody back. Baylor has almost everybody back. Stanford's got a really good team coming back. This is a year where nobody lost a lot of talent except for Connecticut. I think that evens things out and I think maybe this will be a year where we'll see a different number one every week like the men had last year -- which I thought was really exciting. Unless, we're the ones that are not number one. Then I wouldn't be quite as excited."

Would you put your own team at number one?
"I wouldn't. I would put us in the top five but there's a lot of good teams. This time of year, we haven't earned anything. I want to earn it."

Dillon, I agree with everything except that this year there will finally be parity in the game. I think the parity hass been here the last several years for the rest of WCBB. Except for Connectcut it was an even field. One team is no excuse for lack of parity. It only meant there was one great team. bbbby the way I have NDWBB at No.1.

 

[cbraarj]

U Conn and Tennessee were ahead of the curve.They got the jump on All Americans and top recruits. Now these other teams are getting as many and some even more. It took them a while to catch up. Until Diggins came along N.D. only had maybe 3 or 4 High School All Americans ever. U Conn has more then that on their team every year. N.D. has like 7 or 8 this year so its put up or shut up time. . It be interesting to see how U Conn would of done if they only had 1 All American every few years instead of a handful and usually the top player in the country every year? Just saying.

Taurasi 2003-2004,1 AA 2 Ncs. I guess you missed that!

 

[cbraarj]

In 2015-16, Michaela Mabrey, the senior (Mabrey 1) shot 64 of 160 from 3-point land, or 40%.
Marina Mabrey, the freshman (Mabrey 2...the one who went off at UConn), shot 34 of 75 for a 45% 3-point percentage. Overall, she shot a tinge over 51 percent in averaging 10.7 pts per game.
Dara Mabrey (Mabrey baby) led Manasquan High with 50 3-pointers last year as a sophomore. Could not find a percentage in the stats presented (where I looked).

BTW, she plays with Faith Masonius, a 6'1" wing who is for sure D-1 material and has several connections to UConn. (Charlie and I talk about this odd coupling of UConn and ND on one high school team.). If you have a chance, check out a few Shore conference games. I went to two last year and loved 'em.

Mabrey 3 at Uconn just like Samuelson 3!

 

[Dillon77]

Mabrey 3 at Uconn just like Samuelson 3!

Nooooooo! Mabrey 3 (Mabrey baby) needs to head west on Rte. 80 to the Home of the Dome!
....hmm, but if we can get Faith Masonius....

Dara (Mabrey 3) is a bit undersized at 5'7"/5'8", but she's a good athlete and extremely aggressive (like Marina) while having good command of the floor. There's a good point guard at Manasquan (Stella Clark) who is a senior. Once she graduates, I wouldn't be surprised to see Mabrey3 take on more ball responsibilities to open her vistas....

 

[cbraarj]

Im a former rapper. Brung is a word where i come from.

Former rapper had a bad coach,lol.

 

[cbraarj]

No, Mabrey 2 (Mabrey baby) needs to head west on Rte. 80!
....hmm, but if we can get Masonius....

I have Faith in baby mabrey!

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Don't disagree with you on this. However, this is what happens when you have intense (often insanely so) rivalries between teams and their fans. This is a UCONN board, after all. The same could be said for how people react to what Geno says on other team's fan forums. It goes with the territory.

However, liking a post doesn't mean total agreement! Because, it is not just the rivalry, indeed that is nothing but a good thing to the real sports fan, but Muffet's classless actions when Stewie won POY award when Muffet though Stewie's now team mate should have and the whole 'when Pat left the game lost a whole lot of ass at the top ' thing. But as muchas southbend may find sport in bringing all of that back up, may I just say to him: The season is upon us, time to go back under the bridge or Muffet's Bench(which has its more than fair share of Geno haters) or up your meds.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Dillon, I agree with everything except that this year there will finally be parity in the game. I think the parity hass been here the last several years for the rest of WCBB. Except for Connectcut it was an even field. One team is no excuse for lack of parity. It only meant there was one great team. bbbby the way I have NDWBB at No.1.

Muffet having a large view or expectation for her team is highly called for---if a coach thinks their team is duck soup--fire that coach.
Same here on this board---UConn FANs have the right and probably the duty to look at this years team as a WINNER ---I have written often that Uc WBB team will be in the Final 4---I have seen Crystal and Collier, Gabby, Katie LOU, Kia in action against the best the US WBB teams had--they know the ropes. The NCAA's --it has often been written--the teams that have been there (Final 4) has the best chance of getting there again--the hoopla gets to many lessor teams. That is why ND and UConn have been in that arena so often--even in OFF years.
If Uconn Fans on the Boneyard cannot cheer on the UC WBB team--who should?? Just because Muffet or ND fans expect UC to lose--should we Uconn fan buy into that?? Phoeey

 

[CL82]

McGraw: NCAA women might see parity in '16-17

Seems she and the rest of the NCAA, except UConn, lost little talent. How will Madison Cable feel about that?

"So Notre Dame's coach doesn't think you guys have any talent..."

 

[BroadwayVa]

I have Faith in baby mabrey!

Geno will get the latest Mabrey---ala Samuelson sisters--seems they all save the best for the last.
Can you imagine the 3 Mabrey sisters on the same team--90 points per game--who do you cover???
Same could have been said for the Samuelsons!!

 

[BroadwayVa]

"So Notre Dame's coach doesn't think you guys have any talent..."

SURPRISE!!!!

 

[Orangutan]

Geno will get the latest Mabrey---ala Samuelson sisters--seems they all save the best for the last.

I think the ranking of Mabrey sisters by basketball prowess is 1) Marina, 2) Michaela 3) Dara

Of course, neither Marina nor Dara is anything close to a finished product but Marina's college career is tracking ahead of Michaela's. Dara isn't in Hoopgurlz top 60, so she has a ways to go to match her sisters (both top-25 recruits and McDonald's All-Americans.

 

[BroadwayVa]

I think the ranking of Mabrey sisters by basketball prowess is 1) Marina, 2) Michaela 3) Dara

Of course, neither Marina nor Dara is anything close to a finished product but Marina's college career is tracking ahead of Michaela's. Dara isn't in Hoopgurlz top 60, so she has a ways to go to match her sisters (both top-25 recruits and McDonald's All-Americans.

Thanks---Speculation of 3 talented sisters be they Mabrey or Samuelson--on the same team--conjures up all kinds of possibilities--if not realities.

 

[Dillon77]

I think the ranking of Mabrey sisters by basketball prowess is 1) Marina, 2) Michaela 3) Dara

Of course, neither Marina nor Dara is anything close to a finished product but Marina's college career is tracking ahead of Michaela's. Dara isn't in Hoopgurlz top 60, so she has a ways to go to match her sisters (both top-25 recruits and McDonald's All-Americans.

Dara is rated in the top 50 of Prospects Nation, for what it's worth. She's not at the level of her sisters yet, but she has done very well in her two high school seasons, helping lead her HS team to a State Final against a senior-laden team.
New Jersey basketball, particularly in the Shore Conference where she plays, is a good brand of ball and pretty competitive. Of course, she's playing with two possible other D-1 talents on her HS team (Faith Masonius/Stella Clark), which helps the overall team, but cuts down on individual statistics. Dara was also injured for about a month last year.

When I went to a few games of hers this winter, Manasquan supporters would have agreed with your ranking, but expect her to continue to improve. The entire starting team is back so it will be interesting to track all of their progress (Mabrey-Faith Masonious-Stella Clark).

On a more pertinent note at the collegiate level, I'm excited to see Marina with extended time on the floor, if she does move into the starting lineup as MM said yesterday.

 

[Vowelguy]

Not to jump in with another issue, but I always thought it was because of an alleged comment that Vanderveer made about having "five Nykesha Sales" on her team or something to that effect.
***Note that I used the word alleged because I personally have never Googled or conducted any search to see if the statement (or something substantively similar) was actually made.

It was both.

And get it straight: you were 17% too low -- it was SIX Nykesha Saleses.

I recall a Courant reporter writing that a colleague swore Vanderveer said it and even had it on tape.

Most UConn fans forgave all that long ago, particularly when it seemed like other teams wouldn't schedule the Huskies. Then again, there are some who believe that for the most decorated program in wcbb history, there is still no slight too small to make a federal case out of.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

ass at the top

Clearly my laptop keyboard is dying!

 

[RockyMTblue2]

SURPRISE!!!!

Shouldn't that bulletin board material be Husky Blue and ND (puke) Green oris my color card failing along with my keyboard?

 

[southbendcane]

It is not hard for me. I am really happy to see Stewie graduated and is in the pro career.
I want to say is ,only at Stewie level her coach can say she is the best player of the country.

Coaches have a right to there opinion.Both those players will be Preseason All Americans so she could end up being right. Im glad Stewie is gone. She wen't from being the enemy to playing for my favorite WNBA team. She looks so much better in a Seattle Storm uniform .

 

[southbendcane]

And here, I thought I was visiting a Uconn board!

Thats what i say when all the U Conn fans take over the N.D. board every year on ESPN. Other then a few most of them are my favorite posters and iv known them for years. Truth is if they didn't show up there would probably only be about 10 people on the N.D. board.

 

[Florida Fan]

Your Irish have lost one ACC game in the three years they have been in the conference. Don't you think it would be a good thing for the ACC if Notre Dame had a couple of .500 seasons in the ACC and gave another school a chance? Don't you? Don't you wish for parity in the ACC?

EGGZACKLY! Mz Muffet squawk with forked tongue. One of these years ND will finish number one, and she can then say, "I told you so." Until then, plenty of fodder for the mill.

 

[CL82]

'when Pat left the game lost a whole lot of ass at the top '

Me thinks Dr Freud might want to explore that statement a bit.

 

[huskeynut]

Thats what i say when all the U Conn fans take over the N.D. board every year on ESPN. Other then a few most of them are my favorite posters and iv known them for years. Truth is if they didn't show up there would probably only be about 10 people on the N.D. board.

Southbend - hate to burst your little bubble but it's an ESPN board that covers teams and matchups. It is not ND's board. Aad this fact has been posted many times over on the ESPN boards.

And just to remind you, there are very nasty ND posters over there. A few have been banned. So don't go bragging too much.

 

[SCGamecock]

Stewie is gone. I know its hard . But you have to let her go. You can do this.

lol.

 

[Charliebball]

Translated have 5 or 6 All Americans including the over all best player every year along with a dam good coach and you to could win 11 National championships.

I get your point but no matter how good the talent is, to win for NC's four years in a row is a pretty astounding accomplishment...............plenty of teams will have multiple All Americans and never sniff a national championship once...............you'll see that very thing happen this year

 

[CocoHusky]

Translated have 5 or 6 All Americans including the over all best player every year along with a dam good coach and you to could win 11 National championships.

So that Texas A&M team that spanked ND for a National Championship in 2011, how many HS All-American did Texas A&M have on that team?

 

[BroadwayVa]

Dara is rated in the top 50 of Prospects Nation, for what it's worth. She's not at the level of her sisters yet, but she has done very well in her two high school seasons, helping lead her HS team to a State Final against a senior-laden team.
New Jersey basketball, particularly in the Shore Conference where she plays, is a good brand of ball and pretty competitive. Of course, she's playing with two possible other D-1 talents on her HS team (Faith Masonius/Stella Clark), which helps the overall team, but cuts down on individual statistics. Dara was also injured for about a month last year.

When I went to a few games of hers this winter, Manasquan supporters would have agreed with your ranking, but expect her to continue to improve. The entire starting team is back so it will be interesting to track all of their progress (Mabrey-Faith Masonious-Stella Clark).

On a more pertinent note at the collegiate level, I'm excited to see Marina with extended time on the floor, if she does move into the starting lineup as MM said yesterday.

I liked this--nice information---as for Baby Mabrey--she'll move into starting if not soon, but not very late--the kid is a shooter and no fear. Keep track of those Pine Barrens Devils and keep us up to date--or are you keeping these secrets for ND??

 

[BroadwayVa]

So that Texas A&M team that spanked ND for a National Championship in 2011, how many HS All-American did Texas A&M have on that team?

You are wasting your time----I'd say more but I don't want to offend the intelligent ND posters on the Boneyard. But of course next year Uconn will have 10 (Ten) or 12 (twelve) All Americans on the UCWBB team!!! Like always!!