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MS State thoughts for 2021-22

SimpleDawg said:
Nikki McCray Penson will not succeed in the SEC.

Mulkey, Neighbors, Blair, Harper, Taylor, and Dawn will smoke us next year.

Coach Yo, Elzy, and Pingeton might have arguably better rosters. Our roster is weak sauce past Taylor, Hayes, Jackson, and Carter.

That's 9 teams. We'll beat Auburn, Vanderbilt, Alabama, and Florida. That's about it. Let's be realistic now. SEC is gonna be insane next year and a few coaches are gonna lose their jobs. Since 3 coaches got fired this year I expect Curry, Neubauer, and McCray to be the 3 culprits next year.
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Still at it huh? Lol
 
SimpleDawg said:
Mulkey will smoke us next year.
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The SEC is going to be insane but it’s so much fun. I‘m a SC fan and glad we have the talent we have because we are sure going to need it. Im just going to enjoy it while I can.
 
TC22 said:
The SEC is going to be insane but it’s so much fun. I‘m a SC fan and glad we have the talent we have because we are sure going to need it. Im just going to enjoy it while I can.
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“I’m just going to enjoy it while I can.”
I can relate to that statement.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Nikki McCray Penson will not succeed in the SEC.

Mulkey, Neighbors, Blair, Harper, Taylor, and Dawn will smoke us next year.

Coach Yo, Elzy, and Pingeton might have arguably better rosters. Our roster is weak sauce past Taylor, Hayes, Jackson, and Carter.

That's 9 teams. We'll beat Auburn, Vanderbilt, Alabama, and Florida. That's about it. Let's be realistic now. SEC is gonna be insane next year and a few coaches are gonna lose their jobs. Since 3 coaches got fired this year I expect Curry, Neubauer, and McCray to be the 3 culprits next year.
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This is a perplexing comment. When one looks at the newcomers vs. those who transferred then it looks like the roster has been improved....and yet so many people were adamant that last year's roster was one of the best in the SEC or even the nation. Something doesn't compute.
 
MSUrealist said:
This is a perplexing comment. When one looks at the newcomers vs. those who transferred then it looks like the roster has been improved....and yet so many people were adamant that last year's roster was one of the best in the SEC or even the nation. Something doesn't compute.
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6 players left, probably one more. Roster is worse. Not seeing what doesn't compute.

Who does the rest of the nation care about on our team next year besides Hayes, Jackson, Carter and Taylor?
 
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Tennessee, Georgia, Missouri, Ole Miss and Kentucky and South Carolina have rosters that can compete for a Conference Chamionship. I would add MSU to that. Everybody else needs To fill holes in their roster to compete. Gonna be interesting, that’s for sure.
 
TC22 said:
Tennessee, Georgia, Missouri, Ole Miss and Kentucky and South Carolina have rosters that can compete for a Conference Chamionship. I would add MSU to that. Everybody else needs To fill holes in their roster to compete. Gonna be interesting, that’s for sure.
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Less so on Missouri and Kentucky more on Georgia and maybe Tennessee to be next after SC. If Mulkey indeed lands at LSU I could see her bringing a coupe of her players and landing some transfers as well. A&M needs a center. Arkansas has pieces but still no size. I’m not sold on Miss St yet. I’ll have to see what they do this season. Honestly I think SC could go 16-0. The team went 14-2 this year and could’ve even been undefeated. With the talent on board next year I think our second unit will be the ones doing a lot of damage in the SEC.
 
MSUrealist said:
This is a perplexing comment. When one looks at the newcomers vs. those who transferred then it looks like the roster has been improved....and yet so many people were adamant that last year's roster was one of the best in the SEC or even the nation. Something doesn't compute.
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Simple, it is not the players that are the concern, it is the coaching! Holly Warwick had great talent but still did not win as many games as the talent warranted and it got worse each year. I fear NMP may do the same at MSST, I realize last year was different but it was a disaster. I do have hopes NMP and staff will produce next year, if so I think MSST season could be much better next year. Fingers crossed but NMP has to produce next year!
 
SimpleDawg said:
6 players left, probably one more. Roster is worse. Not seeing what doesn't compute.

Who does the rest of the nation care about on our team next year besides Hayes, Jackson, Carter and Taylor?
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I’m not ready to declare it a complete disaster yet but I’m leaning more towards this not working out. Honestly the first sign of concern I saw was the South Florida game when J Mingo-Young completely lost her cool right before half. However in prepping for this comment I looked back at the schedule to find where everything completely fell apart and saw the numerous layoffs due to games getting cancelled and such. I think that added to the frustration for me. In fairness to Coach McCray-Penson there were some holes, especially regarding lack of size down low and problems with attitudes the season before she arrived.
In contrast she has done very well in the offseason to date. She vastly upgraded her staff and the addition of A Hayes was a homerun. A Jones and J Jordan were also key. If nobody else leaves and she can get some size then I’m willing to hold on predicting there is no successful path forward. Her previous body of work supports she can do it.
 
militarydog said:
I’m not ready to declare it a complete disaster yet but I’m leaning more towards this not working out. Honestly the first sign of concern I saw was the South Florida game when J Mingo-Young completely lost her cool right before half. However in prepping for this comment I looked back at the schedule to find where everything completely fell apart and saw the numerous layoffs due to games getting cancelled and such. I think that added to the frustration for me. In fairness to Coach McCray-Penson there were some holes, especially regarding lack of size down low and problems with attitudes the season before she arrived.
In contrast she has done very well in the offseason to date. She vastly upgraded her staff and the addition of A Hayes was a homerun. A Jones and J Jordan were also key. If nobody else leaves and she can get some size then I’m willing to hold on predicting there is no successful path forward. Her previous body of work supports she can do it.
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Only thing we agree with is that it's not gonna work out.


Everyone had layoffs and dealt with Covid.
Just because she didn't get a situation that was perfect doesn't mean it wasn't a great situation she walked into, and shouldn't have produced right away.
Her body of work consists of Old Dominion. What is so special about what she did at such a weak conference that inspires confidence?
Jordan and Jones are nothing special. She didn't vastly upgrade her staff, Augustin is better than Brownlee tho. So?


If we're better next year, it's gonna be only slightly. Nothing dramatic. With a stronger SEC, it'll only be worse for her. Guess what, in the SEC there are lots of better coaches than Nikki McCray Penson.... not many wins on that schedule.
 
SimpleDawg said:
6 players left, probably one more. Roster is worse. Not seeing what doesn't compute.

Who does the rest of the nation care about on our team next year besides Hayes, Jackson, Carter and Taylor?
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6 players left. Cooks, Morris and Wiggins combined to contribute 10.7 ppg and 6.6 rpg per game, so primarily we are talking about MSU needing to replace Hayes, Matharu and Mingo-Young. The incoming Hayes sisters alone are a pretty good match for those three, then you have Jerkaila Jordan and Ashley Jones also coming in as transfers and they should be solid contributors. Plus there are the 4 players in the signing class. And while you say an additional player may transfer, keep in mind that one or two additional players may sign. The bottom line is that as things stand at the moment, MSU has upgraded their roster, not gotten weaker. It feels like you just hadn't posted anything negative about MSU in a while so you were grasping for straws with your post about the roster getting worse.
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MSUrealist said:
6 players left. Cooks, Morris and Wiggins combined to contribute 10.7 ppg and 6.6 rpg per game, so primarily we are talking about MSU needing to replace Hayes, Matharu and Mingo-Young. The incoming Hayes sisters alone are a pretty good match for those three, then you have Jerkaila Jordan and Ashley Jones also coming in as transfers and they should be solid contributors. Plus there are the 4 players in the signing class. And while you say an additional player may transfer, keep in mind that one or two additional players may sign. The bottom line is that as things stand at the moment, MSU has upgraded their roster, not gotten weaker. It feels like you just hadn't posted anything negative about MSU in a while so you were grasping for straws with your post about the roster getting worse.
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You're gonna be singing another song when Jordan and Jones and Hayes turn out to be this year's Cooks, Mingo, and Wiggins.
 
SimpleDawg said:
You're gonna be singing another song when Jordan and Jones and Hayes turn out to be this year's Cooks, Mingo, and Wiggins.
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I tend to agree any sort of rebuild just got tougher and I don't really see the additions we have being enough to get us back to being competitive with the top of the league. I still maintain we've not seen the last of the defections of the 20-21 roster. It will not be a fast or easy climb to get back in the top third of the league and may never happen under NMP. Kim will have LSU in the top 2 or 3 very soon. It's a zero sum game with these as someone moves up, someone has to move down. Auburn, Vandy, LSU all made changes for the future. There isn't any way to know if they will work out of course and all were necessary ones but we will need to show drastic improvement to stay competitive.
 
MSSportsGuy said:
I tend to agree any sort of rebuild just got tougher and I don't really see the additions we have being enough to get us back to being competitive with the top of the league. I still maintain we've not seen the last of the defections of the 20-21 roster. It will not be a fast or easy climb to get back in the top third of the league and may never happen under NMP. Kim will have LSU in the top 2 or 3 very soon. It's a zero sum game with these as someone moves up, someone has to move down. Auburn, Vandy, LSU all made changes for the future. There isn't any way to know if they will work out of course and all were necessary ones but we will need to show drastic improvement to stay competitive.
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Yeah.... can't see how anyone can reason our roster is better than last year. By any significant difference.

NMP is really up against an SEC that's getting stronger by the day. Reminds me when the SEC west became stacked in the early 00s in football, and Jackie Sherrill became obsolete and forced into retirement.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Yeah.... can't see how anyone can reason our roster is better than last year. By any significant difference.

NMP is really up against an SEC that's getting stronger by the day. Reminds me when the SEC west became stacked in the early 00s in football, and Jackie Sherrill became obsolete and forced into retirement.
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Hayes can be a big time scorer, that’s really the only difference to me.
 
Go/huskies said:
Hayes can be a big time scorer, that’s really the only difference to me.
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No doubt, but I don't think she negates the exit of 6 players. The others that came in will barely impact anything.
 
MSUrealist said:
6 players left. Cooks, Morris and Wiggins combined to contribute 10.7 ppg and 6.6 rpg per game, so primarily we are talking about MSU needing to replace Hayes, Matharu and Mingo-Young. The incoming Hayes sisters alone are a pretty good match for those three, then you have Jerkaila Jordan and Ashley Jones also coming in as transfers and they should be solid contributors. Plus there are the 4 players in the signing class. And while you say an additional player may transfer, keep in mind that one or two additional players may sign. The bottom line is that as things stand at the moment, MSU has upgraded their roster, not gotten weaker. It feels like you just hadn't posted anything negative about MSU in a while so you were grasping for straws with your post about the roster getting worse.
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Honestly, you haven't lost much worth worrying about yet. The bigger question is how well the players who are left play.
 
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Honestly, Dawn is recruiting so well that it will be difficult to beat South Carolina going forward. I can see Mulkey becoming the main competition for Dawn though. It will probably be more interesting than anything State does.

I never thought State would compete for titles once Vic left. It was a good run that gave the fans a lot of enjoyment, but I don't see anyone else besides Vic being able to do that in Starkville. I guess that's why I don't get upset about any of it. Maybe I'll be surprised one day, but we are not a destination job for an established, successful P5 coach. Our options are a first time head coach or the head coach of a smaller program. So you have to hope you can get lucky with one of those options.
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
Honestly, you haven't lost much worth worrying about yet. The bigger question is how well the players who are left play.
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M Hayes and A Matharu were pretty big losses but neither were irreplaceable. A Hayes was a plus from A Matharu and is a much better defensive player.
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
Honestly, you haven't lost much worth worrying about yet. The bigger question is how well the players who are left play.
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Nobody we gained that will make much difference either. Anastasia being the only one. Don't think that's enough tho when we basically have one frontcourt player left, if she even stays.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Nobody we gained that will make much difference either. Anastasia being the only one. Don't think that's enough tho when we basically have one frontcourt player left, if she even stays.
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Not sure how many SEC teams have a better four than Taylor, Hayes, Jackson and Carter.

They have to actually play well together and the jury is out on that, but I don't think Miss State has really lost anything of particular relevance.
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
Not sure how many SEC teams have a better four than Taylor, Hayes, Jackson and Carter.

They have to actually play well together and the jury is out on that, but I don't think Miss State has really lost anything of particular relevance.
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If Rickea and Carter really wants to be there. Then we'll see a huge improvement. If not. It'll be the same body language and results from last year
 
Dwilliams02 said:
If Rickea and Carter really wants to be there. Then we'll see a huge improvement. If not. It'll be the same body language and results from last year
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Rickea Jackson has to be a star for it to go well for Miss State next year. To me, that's the whole question.

I'm not in a position to say what exactly the problem was for her other than to say taking more threes didn't go well last year. Whether that's because she didn't have a great offseason or that's not in her true skill set, I'm not sure.

Taylor and Carter seemed to do fine offensively under Nikki.

I'm not sure if all the Hayes sisters are not more of a headache than help, but there is certainly more scoring there than Miss State had in the losses. I don't think Mutharu, Wiggins, and Mingo-Young are particularly worth worrying about. Add the Tulane transfer to Hayes and the guard group is probably better.

Morris is just a bench big and Cooks arguably isn't much more than that though she is a starting caliber player if not at all a star.

Madison Hayes hadn't done much yet, but to me is easily the only major long term transfer casualty.

I feel like there is pressure on Miss State to improve, but they aren't necessarily in a worse place than they already were.
 
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Soooo... any of the MSST faithful have insight on the Wes Brooks situation?
 
Ouch! Wes Brooks to Ohio State?! How many days or weeks was he on the job at Mississippi State?
 
A couple of decent teams at best (South Dakota St/Oklahoma/Michigan), but once again a pretty boring schedule.

 
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