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I'm wondering if it was me, but did it seem like Clark was looking for calls last night with some of her plays? For example, her lays ups in the second half. Her body language gave me the impression she was expecting the And-1 call on those that she made.
She is always looking for call. duke played great defense as if they studied how she plays. In general the calls she normally gets could go either ways depending on the refs. the pause didn’t help Iowa but duke deserves credit. They played great team defense. Iowa also haven’t faced anyone remotely good to this point.
 
Well, first, did you see the Louisville game against Michigan last night? They completely destroyed that team? Second, Iowa was coming off 2 weeks of Covid hiatus and the first time the team got together was Tuesday. They traveled on Wed so having 1 full practice and 1 game prep practice after two weeks showed rust-missed layoffs as touch was off, missed passes as timing was off and constant subbing as conditioning was off. I am cutting Iowa a lot of slack here. Remember one of Baylor's losses last year was their first game back after a Covid hiatus. This is still a very good Iowa team and yes, Clark does have help in Czinano and McKenna Warnock. They also added ISU sophomore transfer Kylie Feuerbach who will help with scoring. To me, this team is still a legitimate top 10 team.

She has more help than she thinks. She shot them out of the game last night. Awesome player, but when she's off like that...STOP with the DEEP 3 pointers. I thought her play was selfish and it hurt the team. When she started driving in for layups...they caught up. Unfortunately...it was too late. I felt for her team. Czinano had 21 on 9 of 12 shots. Clark was 9 for 27. Give up the ball already.


I'm wondering if it was me, but did it seem like Clark was looking for calls last night with some of her plays? For example, her lays ups in the second half. Her body language gave me the impression she was expecting the And-1 call on those that she made.

@DefenseBB : I'm with you. The Hawkeyes were supposed to play Drake, Seton Hall and USC during those two weeks, which sure as heck would've helped them get in fighting sync for a game in Durham. Clark, particularly on the long range shot, was obviously off, as was Gabbie Marshall, who laid a goose egg and didn't seem to shoot at all. They'll get a chance to get tough fast with games against Michigan State and then Iowa State. And if there's a repeat of Duke-Iowa, I'll take CC & Company.

@LwercasefaN and @cancontent : Clark can be a bit, err, single-minded, shall we say.
As someone who watched her tapes for years in the hope she'd be playing for the Fighting Irish, I've seen these kinds of games before. She starts pressing and has such belief in herself, she can't leave well enough alone. Sometimes she shoots herself back into it -- a few times, nada. This was one of those. And will she work the refs? Oh yeah. Once again, same deal: that rabbit hole is pretty twisty.

She's got good teammates, as have been pointed out. The best teammates I"ve seen for her recently are ones who are very competent themselves, but calming in the way they go about their business. Seems to have a good effect on Caitlin. Unfortunately for her, Azzi Fudd and Sonia Citron don't play in Iowa! ;)
 
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At first I thought Indiana was over rated, but then watched them hang tough with NC State, who IMHO is currently the 2nd best team in the country.

Michigan was undefeated before getting crushed by L'ville. I think they are over rated.

Oregon is missing a couple key starters and really aren't a top 25 team IMHO without them, so right now, over rated.

Maryland without 3 starters is not a top 10 team. May not even be top 20.

Kentucky has been cupcake city except for a blowout loss to Indiana. Will be really curious to see how they handle Depaul.

Arizona had a great win by 2 points over L'ville which launched them into the top 25, but aside from a close win over Depaul, have had all cupcakes and suddenly they are launched to a 1 seed? BTW they beat Vandy by 2 points. VANDY. Stanford, Baylor or Indiana have a better claim on a 1 seed IMHO.

Iowa - they really got manhandled by Duke, and aside from that, have faced cupcakes. We will know more as they face Michigan State and Iowa State coming up.

I think aTm, ND and Duke are all under rated. aTm whipped Depaul by 20+ but do have a big game with Texas on the horizon. I hate to say anything nice about ND, but damn if they aren't playing well across all positions. And Duke - just surprised Iowa - fairly easily - led almost wire to wire. Duke led by 6 at half time, pushed the lead pretty quickly to double digits, and Iowa never got closer than 11 the rest of the entire game.
 
Arizona had a great win by 2 points over L'ville which launched them into the top 25, but aside from a close win over Depaul, have had all cupcakes
I know Rutgers is struggling this year, but are we really calling them a cupcake? The Cats get Texas in a couple weeks, right before they start conference play, so that might give us a better idea of who they are.
 
The way this season is going, we should all probably refrain from declaring who are the most overrated or underrated teams. Whether it's parity or just a large dose of inconsistency, it's pretty hard to make heads or tails of anything so far.

Everybody raving about Duke right now should look back a couple games in their schedule. Beat Appalachian St. by 8, Alabama by 3.
 
The way this season is going, we should all probably refrain from declaring who are the most overrated or underrated teams. Whether it's parity or just a large dose of inconsistency, it's pretty hard to make heads or tails of anything so far.

Everybody raving about Duke right now should look back a couple games in their schedule. Beat Appalachian St. by 8, Alabama by 3.

I knew Iowa was in gonna be in trouble a few weeks ago... even before the covid interruption. At no point at the game last night was I concerned that Iowa might win. At no point. That App State game was a far tougher game.. It wasnt a great time for a game... the7pm on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving.. Duke caught a bit of a break as the App State player who was killing us in the first half.. went down with an injury... an while she came back.. wasn't the same player and that allowed Duke to come from behind and win the game. The Bama game was another game that was a good learning experience for a team coming together. Winning on an off night... coming from behind with less than 20 seconds in the game.

All this talk about Iowa and the covid break... that's Iowa fault.. that's on them. Guess the whole team and staff should have gotten jabbed up. Is the covid break responsible for their best player taking ill advised shot after ill advised shot? Even Iowa's coach said she needed to dial it back.
 
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@DefenseBB : I'm with you. The Hawkeyes were supposed to play Drake, Seton Hall and USC during those two weeks, which sure as heck would've helped them get in fighting sync for a game in Durham. Clark, particularly on the long range shot, was obviously off, as was Gabbie Marshall, who laid a goose egg and didn't seem to shoot at all. They'll get a chance to get tough fast with games against Michigan State and then Iowa State. And if there's a repeat of Duke-Iowa, I'll take CC & Company.

@LwercasefaN and @cancontent : Clark can be a bit, err, single-minded, shall we say.
As someone who watched her tapes for years in the hope she'd be playing for the Fighting Irish, I've seen these kinds of games before. She starts pressing and has such belief in herself, she can't leave well enough alone. Sometimes she shoots herself back into it -- a few times, nada. This was one of those. And will she work the refs? Oh yeah. Once again, same deal: that rabbit hole is pretty twisty.

She's got good teammates, as have been pointed out. The best teammates I"ve seen for her recently are ones who are very competent themselves, but calming in the way they go about their business. Seems to have a good effect on Caitlin. Unfortunately for her, Azzi Fudd and Sonia Citron don't play in Iowa! ;)

Ha.... I would take Duke every day and six times on Sunday in a rematch. Iowa will get in sync... but is not like Duke isn't gonna improve as well as the season progresses. The team is still learning how to play together... and hopefully Imani Lewis will get back healthy and add some punch in terms of toughness and rebounding. Iowa isn't the type of team that scares me. I like how we match up with that kind of squad. That SC game in two weeks... now that's an all together different story...:confused:
 
All this talk about Iowa and the covid break... that's Iowa fault.. that's on them. Guess the whole team and staff should have gotten jabbed up. Is the covid break responsible for their best player taking ill advised shot after ill advised shot? Even Iowa's coach said she needed to dial it back.
The Iowa team and staff have a 100% vaccination rate, so that line of accusation is uncalled for. You may have heard of something breakthrough infections. Just, wow, can't believe you would be so callous as to frame it like that.

To your other point... definitely no argument there!
 
The Iowa team and staff have a 100% vaccination rate, so that line of accusation is uncalled for. You may have heard of something breakthrough infections. Just, wow, can't believe you would be so callous as to frame it like that.

To your other point... definitely no argument there!

Well thanks for the correction. I apologize for jumping to conclusions. I'll try not to be so callous in the future.
 
You can say that, but to compare this team to those teams is wrong. Those teams had multiple AAs. This team has 1!
Yeah, but that's kinda the point, stated in reverse!

I know that there are many who love them and defend them, but, based on talent evaluation when they were recruited, CW should be at least a serious AA candidate by now, her senior year, and ONO should at least be, say, honorable mention AA. However, based on their play to this point in the season, I'd guess that CW will be lucky to make honorable mention (as she did last year).

But the point is that we should have at least a serious AA candidate in addition to Paige, but, because of their underperformance, we don't.
 
It's very early, but UConn has looked a lot like they did last year. Not a lot of growth, yet.
 
Just my 2 cents. We’ve been talking about, and maybe hoping for, parity in WBB for many years. We are not completely there yet, but we are closer than ever before. More and more talented, athletic players in WBB, better coaching and a wide open transfer portal have significantly changed the competition level in WBB.

Nobody will get through this season undefeated. The challenge for coaches of top programs will be to have their teams playing their best basketball in March when the Big Dance roles around and then grind out 6 wins.

I have not seen a team anywhere in WBB that is not flawed in one way or another. SC looks the best right now, but the Gamecocks are far from unbeatable. Just a reminder that there was a stretch during the 1st qtr of SC’s game vs UConn when they were outscored 20-2.
 
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At first I thought Indiana was over rated, but then watched them hang tough with NC State, who IMHO is currently the 2nd best team in the country.

Michigan was undefeated before getting crushed by L'ville. I think they are over rated.

Oregon is missing a couple key starters and really aren't a top 25 team IMHO without them, so right now, over rated.

Maryland without 3 starters is not a top 10 team. May not even be top 20.
Kentucky has been cupcake city except for a blowout loss to Indiana. Will be really curious to see how they handle Depaul.

Arizona had a great win by 2 points over L'ville which launched them into the top 25, but aside from a close win over Depaul, have had all cupcakes and suddenly they are launched to a 1 seed? BTW they beat Vandy by 2 points. VANDY. Stanford, Baylor or Indiana have a better claim on a 1 seed IMHO.

Iowa - they really got manhandled by Duke, and aside from that, have faced cupcakes. We will know more as they face Michigan State and Iowa State coming up.

I think aTm, ND and Duke are all under rated. aTm whipped Depaul by 20+ but do have a big game with Texas on the horizon. I hate to say anything nice about ND, but damn if they aren't playing well across all positions. And Duke - just surprised Iowa - fairly easily - led almost wire to wire. Duke led by 6 at half time, pushed the lead pretty quickly to double digits, and Iowa never got closer than 11 the rest of the entire game.
Emily Engstler makes Louisville a much better team. Her rebounding, defense, ability to handle the ball, and can score. She is the best player on that team. The best transfer from Syracuse.
 
I would say UConn is overrated right now. By the end of the year if they progress they could be too 5.
 
Nobody will get through this season undefeated. The challenge for coaches of top programs will be to have their teams playing their best basketball in March when the Big Dance roles around and then grind out 6 wins.
No one is unbeatable, but we should not kid ourselves. This South Carolina team is capable of running the table, as long as they stay healthy enough. Their toughest remaining regular season games -- Maryland, Stanford, UConn -- will all be at home. And it would take a considerable upset for anyone in the SEC to beat them. I'm not saying they will go undefeated, but they're certainly capable.
 
No one is unbeatable, but we should not kid ourselves. This South Carolina team is capable of running the table, as long as they stay healthy enough. Their toughest remaining regular season games -- Maryland, Stanford, UConn -- will all be at home. And it would take a considerable upset for anyone in the SEC to beat them. I'm not saying they will go undefeated, but they're certainly capable.
If SC goes undefeated it will be in no small part because Dawn has become a much better coach in recent years, particularly when it comes to in game adjustments. A few years ago if UConn went on a 20-2 run against the Gamecocks it would have been game over. In the Bahamas when that happened, Dawn didn’t panic, she settled the team down, made a few adjustments, slowly but surely SC got back in the game and eventually pulled away.
 
If SC goes undefeated it will be in no small part because Dawn has become a much better coach in recent years, particularly when it comes to in game adjustments. A few years ago if UConn went on a 20-2 run against the Gamecocks it would have been game over. In the Bahamas when that happened, Dawn didn’t panic, she settled the team down, made a few adjustments, slowly but surely SC got back in the game and eventually pulled away.
Frankly, that might as well be ancient history at this point. UConn used to be known for its patented backbreaking "runs" against any and all teams, not just SC. But those were UConn teams of a different caliber than the current one, and the SC roster of the past 3 years is of an entirely different caliber than the days of Tina Roy and Asia Dozier and Bianca Cuevas-Moore and Alexis Jennings. The better your team, the more capable you are of recovering from an opponent's run, especially when it's only the 1st quarter.
 
If SC goes undefeated it will be in no small part because Dawn has become a much better coach in recent years, particularly when it comes to in game adjustments. A few years ago if UConn went on a 20-2 run against the Gamecocks it would have been game over. In the Bahamas when that happened, Dawn didn’t panic, she settled the team down, made a few adjustments, slowly but surely SC got back in the game and eventually pulled away.
It's remarkable how having comparable talent to the other team makes you look like a better coach than being hopelessly outgunned.

And the inverse of that of course.
 
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It's remarkable how having comparable talent to the other team makes you look like a better coach than being hopelessly outgunned.

And the inverse of that of course.
Certainly, Dawn has as strong a team as she has ever fielded this year, if you don’t include the summer Olympics. I would make the argument that SC had better talent than UConn in both the 2016-17 and 2020-21 seasons and still lost their head to head matchup.

But make no mistake about it, just like Geno through the years, Dawn has become a much better coach. I have seen games get away from Dawn in the past. Eventually, a coach either learns how to steady the ship or finds another job.
 
Certainly, Dawn has as strong a team as she has ever fielded this year, if you don’t include the summer Olympics. I would make the argument that SC had better talent than UConn in both the 2016-17 and 2020-21 seasons and still lost their head to head matchup.

But make no mistake about it, just like Geno through the years, Dawn has become a much better coach. I have seen games get away from Dawn in the past. Eventually, a coach either learns how to steady the ship or finds another job.

UConn and South Carolina have played 4 games where the talent was comparable (and we'll just go by reality rather than the rankings which have probably yet to favor SC).

They've split them 2-2 with one going to OT.

Dawn has always been a very good coach who was overachieving with what she had. At no point in her career has there ever been a figure it out or find a new job dynamic.

It's very difficult to play pretty offensive basketball when you have 2-3 offensive holes in the lineup and little inside/outside balance.

SC isn't really trying to do much different than it has always done. Dawn just has better and more pieces.

You could send her back in time and the results wouldn't be much different, I don't think.
 
Right now, coming off the performance against Seton Hall, I would say that UCONN is the most overrated team in the country right now. I also feel that this team has a great chance of winning a National Championship this season. But they need a great deal of improvement in certain areas, some players on this team need to step it up, and they need to get back those injured players who are integral pieces on this team.
 
No one is unbeatable, but we should not kid ourselves. This South Carolina team is capable of running the table, as long as they stay healthy enough. Their toughest remaining regular season games -- Maryland, Stanford, UConn -- will all be at home. And it would take a considerable upset for anyone in the SEC to beat them. I'm not saying they will go undefeated, but they're certainly capable.
As a proud Carolina fan, I don’t want this team to go undefeated. Losses make Dawn Staley’s teams so much better, and I’m still haunted by the memories of the Gonzaga men last year. It’s not that I think the Gamecocks aren’t mentally tough enough to handle the pressure, but a tough reminder that you’re beatable is good every now and again.

With that said, I would be shocked if Maryland, without a player over 6’3” and without a player who plays consistent defense, can even remotely threaten SC. The NC State and Stanford games were not flukes, Benzan or no Benzan.

I don’t see UConn beating SC on the road in January (that’s a completely different story should they meet elsewhere in the NCAAT, though), so at this point I think Stanford is far and above the most likely to knock off the Gamecocks, although I still wouldn't favor them to do it.

If Paige misses any significant time, it’s likely to harm the Huskies in the short term but may pay off in the long run as it’ll force some others to show their stuff. Obviously hoping for the best, though.
 
As a proud Carolina fan, I don’t want this team to go undefeated. Losses make Dawn Staley’s teams so much better, and I’m still haunted by the memories of the Gonzaga men last year. It’s not that I think the Gamecocks aren’t mentally tough enough to handle the pressure, but a tough reminder that you’re beatable is good every now and again.

With that said, I would be shocked if Maryland, without a player over 6’3” and without a player who plays consistent defense, can even remotely threaten SC. The NC State and Stanford games were not flukes, Benzan or no Benzan.

I don’t see UConn beating SC on the road in January (that’s a completely different story should they meet elsewhere in the NCAAT, though), so at this point I think Stanford is far and above the most likely to knock off the Gamecocks, although I still wouldn't favor them to do it.

If Paige misses any significant time, it’s likely to harm the Huskies in the short term but may pay off in the long run as it’ll force some others to show their stuff. Obviously hoping for the best, though.
i think Tennessee matches Up with us well and could give us a game but our depth will be the difference. We also play them at home….Duke will be a good game - away - and you know the Crazies will show up. Dawn said when she made up this schedule she wanted this team exposed to all different types of play. I think she has that covered. I agree that Stanford will be a good test and hate that it’s played on Dec 21 when campus is shut down for the holidays. Should be a fun season.
 
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As a proud Carolina fan, I don’t want this team to go undefeated. Losses make Dawn Staley’s teams so much better, and I’m still haunted by the memories of the Gonzaga men last year. It’s not that I think the Gamecocks aren’t mentally tough enough to handle the pressure, but a tough reminder that you’re beatable is good every now and again.

With that said, I would be shocked if Maryland, without a player over 6’3” and without a player who plays consistent defense, can even remotely threaten SC. The NC State and Stanford games were not flukes, Benzan or no Benzan.

I don’t see UConn beating SC on the road in January (that’s a completely different story should they meet elsewhere in the NCAAT, though), so at this point I think Stanford is far and above the most likely to knock off the Gamecocks, although I still wouldn't favor them to do it.

If Paige misses any significant time, it’s likely to harm the Huskies in the short term but may pay off in the long run as it’ll force some others to show their stuff. Obviously hoping for the best, though.
don't compare Sc to Gonzaga. Gonzaga plays in a garbage conference that they rack up cheap wins. My champ was Baylor, they played in the brutal big 12.
 
don't compare Sc to Gonzaga. Gonzaga plays in a garbage conference that they rack up cheap wins. My champ was Baylor, they played in the brutal big 12.
Why does everything have to be so hyperbole negative for you? Gonzaga Men's program would be good in any conference. They play a strong OOC and have had significant success in the NCAAT so regardless of the conference, they perform.
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don't compare Sc to Gonzaga. Gonzaga plays in a garbage conference that they rack up cheap wins. My champ was Baylor, they played in the brutal big 12.
Wow...let's flip what you just said to 2020-2021 WBB. "UConn plays in a garbage conference that they rack up cheap wins. My champ was Stanford, they played in the brutal Pac 12."

Teams like Gonzaga (MBB) and UConn (WBB) make up for their weak conference schedules by scheduling a number of tough out-of-conference matchups every season. So they are battle-tested. The one drawback to both teams' conference schedules is that things get pretty easy the last couple months of the season. That's why Geno pushes his teams the way he does, by challenging them in practice and demanding excellence even in blowout victories.
 
Wow...let's flip what you just said to 2020-2021 WBB. "UConn plays in a garbage conference that they rack up cheap wins. My champ was Stanford, they played in the brutal Pac 12."

Teams like Gonzaga (MBB) and UConn (WBB) make up for their weak conference schedules by scheduling a number of tough out-of-conference matchups every season. So they are battle-tested. The one drawback to both teams' conference schedules is that things get pretty easy the last couple months of the season. That's why Geno pushes his teams the way he does, by challenging them in practice and demanding excellence even in blowout victories.
I think the women's program should also be acknowledged here. They do their best to have a challenging OOC schedule as well. Had a good battle with Stanford already. Looking forward to seeing how they fare against Washington State on Wednesday.
 
Wow...let's flip what you just said to 2020-2021 WBB. "UConn plays in a garbage conference that they rack up cheap wins. My champ was Stanford, they played in the brutal Pac 12."

Teams like Gonzaga (MBB) and UConn (WBB) make up for their weak conference schedules by scheduling a number of tough out-of-conference matchups every season. So they are battle-tested. The one drawback to both teams' conference schedules is that things get pretty easy the last couple months of the season. That's why Geno pushes his teams the way he does, by challenging them in practice and demanding excellence even in blowout victories.

lol at comparing wbb to mbb where it's more physical and demanding.
 
lol at comparing wbb to mbb where it's more physical and demanding.
Not comparing on that basis at all. Simply saying that top teams (MBB and WBB) that play in "garbage" conferences can somewhat make up for their weak conference schedules by scheduling tough non-conference games. Both Gonzaga men and UConn women are prime examples of how that is done.
 
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