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Just praying that when the musical chairs eventually stop, UCONN has a seat at one of the major tables.
Why would any of the money making conferences want UCONN? What UCONN assets would make UCONN attractive to a P5? What assets are any of P5 conferences seeking? Rank the assets by importance. Are their any coveted assets other than money earning/generating potential?
 
Why would any of the money making conferences want UCONN? What UCONN assets would make UCONN attractive to a P5? What assets are any of P5 conferences seeking? Rank the assets by importance. Are their any coveted assets other than money earning/generating potential?
Why the dislike of a perfectly reasonable question? I really want to understand what you see as UCONN's assets as seen by a P5 conference and how they may or may not align with the desired assets again from a P5 conference's perspective.
 
Florida State and Clemson set to join Sec according to Florida st insider. North Carolina is the next big fish.
 
Florida State and Clemson set to join Sec according to Florida st insider. North Carolina is the next big fish.
Big 10 considerations:
Notre Dame
UNC
UVa
GaTech
Miami
Duke
Boston college
Syracuse
Kansas

SEC considerations
Notre Dame
FSU
Clempsun
NC State
VaTech
Pitt
Okie State
Iowa state
West Virginia
 
Florida State and Clemson set to join Sec according to Florida st insider. North Carolina is the next big fish.

LOL....The Twitterverse has nutcases that thrive on nonsense....

Sure, FSU and Clemson would love to go to a super SEC...but there are no plans. The GOR looks to be a sentence that can not be commuted.

The Dudes, MMA3's, and every other clown that wants clicks will be burning up keyboards for a while because even those not gullible will click to see if anything comes up.

Those close to FSU know nothing is going on....
 
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But...yes..RegalNole claims to be an ACC insider and he has claimed on the webz for a year that the pieces will fall into place and there will be a Super League that will include FSU and Clemson...he did predict that the B1G would move on the PAC 12 (along with 10,000 others).

My next door neighbor here in North Carolina is vacationing at his cabin and we have drinks on the porch. He is an Associate AD at FSU. Either he is kept in the dark or is a great poker player.
 
The thought among many fans is that Fox is solidifying their property (Big Ten) and ESPN must keep up in the arms race with their property (SEC).

SEC takes Texas and Oklahoma...B!G takes USC and USC....your move Mouse.
 
Don't laugh, I think I saw an alien just last night, :eek: and another one this morning. :confused:

Oh by the way......................Durant has requested trade from Nets. :eek:
I've seen hundreds of Alien, but only one being from outer space. I was in Central Park and a being came up to me --hand held out--as I got close, it went black, when I remembered again--I had the essence of being in a vehicle in space. Beings not of this earth were doing things to me--things too far out to explain. Only once. I never went back to Central park.. They were not aliens, we are in space. No I don't laugh...
Did I mention the bottle in his hand, we drank long and hard on that before my brain went dark?
 
The thought among many fans is that Fox is solidifying their property (Big Ten) and ESPN must keep up in the arms race with their property (SEC).

SEC takes Texas and Oklahoma...B!G takes USC and USC....your move Mouse.

Next round of TV contract negotiations is going to be insane. E$PN might have to reduce coverage of a sport - or even drop a sport - in order to afford the $EC in the future.

Disclaimer. I know nothing. Just throwing out a wild opinion. Fire away. But be gentle.

;):cool::p:D:rolleyes:
 
Well, can't say I like any of this, but I guess it was inevitable. As far as football in concerned, it looks to me like you are going to end up with the Power 2 and will essentially be the junior circuit to the NFL. I don't know that the same will be true of MBB. If MBB and other sports get "decoupled" from the football vortex, it might allow things to return to some sort of sanity, but since money is involved, I rather doubt it.

When the smaller DI schools can no longer compete monetarily, some sanity may return in the form of more logical regional conferences and rivalries like what we have in NCAA Divisions II and III now. This could make for some nice competition. Unfortunately it will be very difficult for fans to access compared to what we have now available to us. Streaming services over the web could possibly address this void moving forward.
 
Why would any of the money making conferences want UCONN? What UCONN assets would make UCONN attractive to a P5? What assets are any of P5 conferences seeking? Rank the assets by importance. Are their any coveted assets other than money earning/generating potential?
Could they take us pro bono? (No, I am not referring to Sonny, rest his soul.)
 
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MBB programs can and do ebb and flow in pretty short cycles. One or two players can jumpstart a rise without limit when matched with the right coaches.

Real Relevance. No worries…UCMBB remains relevant. And even real.
MBB not back yet. The Big East losing it's best coach and another top coach hurts
The return to the BE was a negative for the football program.
 
Why would any of the money making conferences want UCONN? What UCONN assets would make UCONN attractive to a P5? What assets are any of P5 conferences seeking? Rank the assets by importance. Are their any coveted assets other than money earning/generating potential?
Both the SEC and the B1G covet non-revenue generating assets when considering new members..

For example, the B1G places a high value on future members already having AAU membership. The SEC places high value on Southern flagships in states contiguous to current member states (preserves regional integrity).

For those reasons above, I think if the B1G expands further they’ll look at ND (not AAU), Oregon, Washington and possibly UNC/Duke. The SEC is likely looking at the NC schools, along with the VA schools, and Clemson.

A lot of the next round of expansion will be determined by what happens with the ACC. Will they band together and fortify the league or will the entire thing fall apart? If the latter happens then it’ll be a mad dash between the SEC and B1G to secure the best schools.
 
These expanded conferences are being created by the media, not the conferences. This is all about maximizing advertising revenue and UConn does exist in a prime market region. There are a lot of bad P-5 football programs.
 
This study sought to estimate how conferences value program ranking and program popularity when adding conference members. The paper is an interesting read, at least the parts I read. Zipping to the conclusion: “We find evidence suggesting that Power Five conferences, those who drive conference realignment, have preferences for football programs with larger potential fan bases, but do not necessarily prefer winning football teams.”
Well UCONN does have a perrenial losing football program. One box checked! ;):rolleyes: So how does UCONN make a case for a potentially large football fan base? Is there quantative evidence showing the popularity of UCONN's existing football program? Does UCONN draw well from the Northeast states? This is very important since the words are “larger potential fan base” and Connecticut is not a populous state. Could the national popularity of the UCONN women's basketball program be leveraged? Can it be quantified?
Competition Among Athletic Conferences for New Members

Both the SEC and the B1G covet non-revenue generating assets when considering new members..
For example, the B1G places a high value on future members already having AAU membership. The SEC places high value on Southern flagships in states contiguous to current member states (preserves regional integrity).
For those reasons above, I think if the B1G expands further they’ll look at ND (not AAU), Oregon, Washington and possibly UNC/Duke. The SEC is likely looking at the NC schools, along with the VA schools, and Clemson.
A lot of the next round of expansion will be determined by what happens with the ACC. Will they band together and fortify the league or will the entire thing fall apart? If the latter happens then it’ll be a mad dash between the SEC and B1G to secure the best schools.
 
These expanded conferences are being created by the media, not the conferences. This is all about maximizing advertising revenue and UConn does exist in a prime market region. There are a lot of bad P-5 football programs.
UConn will end up with what remains of the ACC after the B1G and SEC have their pick of the litter. It will be a 2nd tier conference but better than what we are in now.
 
This is good for UConn if the goal is to ever get into a P5 conference. In terms of revenue, you’d need to be in the SEC or Big 10.. schools in that league are about to make close to $100 million a year in revenue for ATHLETICS when the new media deals are renegotiated. There are already rumors of pressure on UNC to breach that 2035 contract and bolt for either the Big 10 or SEC. ACC is ripe for poaching.

I’m not sure you guys have a shot at the Big Ten… but you guys should definitely be angling for the ACC or the Big 12. Both leagues will be looking for members very soon.
Really? 11 championships and Uconn should be settling for the ACC or Big 12? The ACC and Big 12 probably won't be viable conferences in a couple of years. Think ACC. Uconn belongs in the SEC OR BIG10.
 
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I think the Big East deserves a little more respect, at least with regard to WBB. We sent 4 teams to the tournament, three advanced, two made it to the Elite Eight, and one was in the NC game. I think a case could be made for Marquette having been included, too. The Big East went 9-4 in the tournament, which is better than the Pac 12 the Big 10 or the Big 12 did.

ACC and SEC were clearly more competitive. It just irritates me to see those other conferences consistently rated higher than the Big East. This last year, it was the third most competitive as measured by NCAA tournament success.
 
I don't think that conferences, as a whole, are measured by Women's Basketball...nor soccer, field hockey, softball, etc.

The revenue sports are the drivers.
 
True enough, but in the context of a WBB thread it’s worth observing that the Big East may serve Geno’s purposes better than the ACC or the SEC.
 
The onus is on David Benedict and Dr. Maric to put on their salesmen's hats to show the benefit of adding UConn to the Big Ten, which IMO is the best fit for us and the BIG conference. Maybe even Gov. Lamont.

We all know the current weakness of UConn football and someone mentioned earlier that bringing on a school that finishes in the bottom half of the standings is not necessarily a knockout - Rutgers and Maryland have not impressed since joining BIG, and there are other perennial 2nd tier teams in that league too (including my dad's alma mater Purdue). That aside, the key to a UConn candidacy is the Olympic sports and how its addition to BIG has far more benefit to BIG than most other candidates. BIG has said that it's not only football but other sports and academic reputation and how accretive a new member will be.

Over the past 40 years UConn has won more national championships (22) across all NCAA sports than all other BIG school except Penn State (38) and Maryland (29). We know all about UConn WBB but if UConn joined BIG that its 4 NC's would be second only to Indiana's 5. Penn State's 38 are dominated by women's volleyball and wrestling, while Maryland has won many field hockey and men's & women's lacrosse championships. In doing the math that means UConn has more national championships than 12 other existing BIG members over the past 40 years (although both USC and UCLA jump right to the top upon joining BIG).

After football NCAA basketball is the second biggest revenue generator, followed by ice hockey and baseball. Softball is the fastest growing sport and both men's and women's lacrosse are rapidly growing a national footprint. Other Olympic sports that BIG is a top conference for include field hockey, volleyball, wrestling, swim & dive and gymnastics.

Basketball: Adding UConn MBB and WBB elevates the BIG to best basketball conference period (IMO). That's worth a lot of dough by itself.

Ice Hockey: Adding UConn ice hockey solidifies the men's conference with its 8th member and an important New England presence, while the women would be the 5th BIG team which means BIG only needs to get either Michigan or Michigan State to elevate it's club teams to create a 6-team BIG conference. These also add to the overall BIG media value.

Baseball: Husky baseball is also accretive to BIG, especially with the California schools. Believe it or not but Wisconsin does not offer D1 baseball. So UConn would be its 16th team. And don't forget Jim Pender's unranked squad ousted #15 Maryland in the regionals this year and gave a scare to #2 Stanford in the super regionals.

Other Husky Olympic sports teams: Women's lax can become the 8th BIG member and women's volleyball can only add to BIG dominance after adding USC and UCLA. UConn field hockey makes BIG a ridiculously good conference and softball helps too. And if UConn ever adds men's lacrosse there's no doubt in my mind that UConn can be a national power in a few years' time.

The Hartford DMA is 32nd in the US, ahead of most BIG markets! We could claim that we have a NY following (like Rutgers does) although one could argue that a FOX contract makes that moot.

I strongly believe that there's much upside and glamour in adding the pedigree of UConn to the BIG or any P5 conference. Football success ebbs and flows, as it does in many sports for every school, and I know all of us are hopeful that Coach Mora has us on the right track. Nevertheless, AD Benedict and President Maric need to accentuate the many, many positives of UConn as a great university with an athletic success story that not many other universities can claim.

And Dr. Maric needs to start working on AAU accreditation (although Nebraska doesn't have it nor does supposed candidate Notre Dame).

So let's focus on the positive attributes to get the attention of Kevin Warren, and let's not be shy to ask Warde Manuel for advice and guidance too.

Finally I think our Dairy Bar can compete with Penn State's Berkey Creamery for best ice cream in the BIG.

Go Huskies!
 
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Really? 11 championships and Uconn should be settling for the ACC or Big 12? The ACC and Big 12 probably won't be viable conferences in a couple of years. Think ACC. Uconn belongs in the SEC OR BIG10.
The tail does not wag the dog.
 
Really? 11 championships and Uconn should be settling for the ACC or Big 12? The ACC and Big 12 probably won't be viable conferences in a couple of years. Think ACC. Uconn belongs in the SEC OR BIG10.
Throughout this thread your fellow UConn fans have answered why neither conference is likely for the school, but if I had to guess which conference is more likely to pick up UConn it would be the B1G. The SEC is not a factor.

Expansion is being driven by TV market viability, but to specify, COLLEGE FOOTBALL market viability. UConn could argue that they bring NYC, but for college football do you really?
 
The PAC12 TV contract has been a killer for those teams. They get little exposure out of market because of their network not making deals with other providers. Very rare to find a cable or streaming service that has that network. Many great athletes would like a better TV exposure to show the country what they can do. UConn had an advantage as their games were visible country wide (and even overseas).. A bit trickier now that they are a FOX product and FS2 isn't included in all packages but at least the FOX sports app has the games even though it is harder to find them. And of course those of us lucky enough to get SNY are happy :).
 
Throughout this thread your fellow UConn fans have answered why neither conference is likely for the school, but if I had to guess which conference is more likely to pick up UConn it would be the B1G. The SEC is not a factor.

Expansion is being driven by TV market viability, but to specify, COLLEGE FOOTBALL market viability. UConn could argue that they bring NYC, but for college football do you really?
There are no D1 FBS football programs in NYC: Columbia, Fordham and Wagner are all FBS teams. The closest FBS teams are Rutgers and Army West Point, both about 40 miles away; Storrs is about 140 miles away. When Rutgers under Schiano and UConn under Edsall were doing well in the 2000-2010 era (give or take) I remember that the NYC TV stations would report on both teams' seasons and bowl appearances as if they were their own. It's happened before and it can happen again. Let's be honest - Rutgers might actually be in the NYC DMA but it has been similarly dismal in football while UConn has been far more successful in most of the other sports.

If football is the sole driver, then why do I read about Kansas and Missouri as potential BIG targets (as it is rumored that both BIG and SEC are eventually going to become 20-25 team super conferences)? Kansas brings basketball caché but UConn men's has won more NC's in the past 23 years (4 vs 2) and Kansas football has historically been an extremely middling football program. Missouri? Pish-posh.

DON'T underestimate or undervalue the other revenue producing sports of basketball, ice hockey and baseball where UConn matches up better than just about any other possible BIG or SEC target school. FOX and/or ESPN want to expand programming and these other sports will do that and help grow overall advertising revenue.
 
Both the SEC and the B1G covet non-revenue generating assets when considering new members..

For example, the B1G places a high value on future members already having AAU membership. The SEC places high value on Southern flagships in states contiguous to current member states (preserves regional integrity).

For those reasons above, I think if the B1G expands further they’ll look at ND (not AAU), Oregon, Washington and possibly UNC/Duke. The SEC is likely looking at the NC schools, along with the VA schools, and Clemson.

A lot of the next round of expansion will be determined by what happens with the ACC. Will they band together and fortify the league or will the entire thing fall apart? If the latter happens then it’ll be a mad dash between the SEC and B1G to secure the best schools.
Everything at this point hinges on ND. If they make the move to the B1G the ACC is as done as the PAC-8 (12). If ND moves to the B1G then watch Clemson, Virginia and at least NC jump to the SEC, with maybe (maybe) Florida State move to the SEC. Stanford may yet go to the B1G. Within 5-10 years there will only be 4 conferences: the BIG West, the B1G 10 (20), the SEC (the Big South), and generalized basketball only conferences (The Super East? The Super West?) with a few independents.
 
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