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+100. All anyone seems to want to talk about is the "eye poke". Clark couldn't see and turned only to have Sheldon standing so close into Clark's space that she literally couldn't move without knocking into her. Clark pushed Sheldon back, and Mabry came over and body knocked Clark to the ground.

Every time there's been an issue, Clark walks away from the drama, which she did again, and the rest of the teams got into it. Sheldon also single handedly had already injured 2 Fever players recently - Colson and Cunningham.

I don't disagree that Clark is mouthy, talks trash, and plays physical, but she's not dirty, and the amount of crap flung Clark's way is mind boggling. I was thrilled Cunningham body-slammed Sheldon late in the game. Good for her. If the refs can't control the nasty physical play against Indiana, I guess the players will have to. And good for them.
Sheldon is not a dirty player. She's always has played Clark tough since their college days. Cunningham could have fouled her hard without having to take her down around the neck. Nothing Sheldon did during that game earned that type of tackle.
 
It's very clear that so many of you do not care for Caitlin Clark. You think the overall mistreatment of her in the league is okay. But have you not considered that the same mistreatment is happening to our Paige Bueckers as well? It's got to stop!
No one thinks mistreatment of Clark is okay. It's that some of us think the interpretation that she's being targeted is overblown because of the media hype. Most if not all of us believe the issue with officiating is the problem and agree that it has to stop.
 
No one thinks mistreatment of Clark is okay. It's that some of us think the interpretation that she's being targeted is overblown because of the media hype. Most if not all of us believe the issue with officiating is the problem and agree that it has to stop.
As always, I most certainly respect your opinion, and I can agree the media is at least 50% of the problem here. But, I don't think CC is treated fairly by the refs (most likely by design of the league office, because the more hype, the thinking is, the more ticket & product sales). If they don't get a handle on it and soon, that thinking is going to backfire of them. And, as I stated previously, this overlooking of the mistreatment is spilling onto the star players of other teams (Paige for example). Sheldon may not be a dirty player, but she looked like it to me in this game. Cunningham has taken on the role of CC's "protector". Ever team has one, and if not wished they did. She actually doesn't look like a protector to me.
 
As always, I most certainly respect your opinion, and I can agree the media is at least 50% of the problem here. But, I don't think CC is treated fairly by the refs (most likely by design of the league office, because the more hype, the thinking is, the more ticket & product sales). If they don't get a handle on it and soon, that thinking is going to backfire of them. And, as I stated previously, this overlooking of the mistreatment is spilling onto the star players of other teams (Paige for example). Sheldon may not be a dirty player, but she looked like it to me in this game. Cunningham has taken on the role of CC's "protector". Ever team has one, and if not wished they did. She actually doesn't look like a protector to me.
This is theory I hadn't seen put out there before. It's also one that I cringe thinking at being even possible, because it implies that the league, including the NBA, are willing to sacrifice the health of players for profit.
 
No one thinks mistreatment of Clark is okay. It's that some of us think the interpretation that she's being targeted is overblown because of the media hype. Most if not all of us believe the issue with officiating is the problem and agree that it has to stop.
I think Caitlin gets an advantage in that she is not called for the numerous push offs that are a part of her game. I am a fever fan ( mostly because of Boston) and enjoy Clark’s shooting and passing. But I understand how opponents complain that refs should try to limit her most obvious push offs.

I think her defenders get very frustrated by the leniency afforded to Clark on push offs that leads to them using their arms more aggressively to counter that. The refs are lenient in that regards too. The push offs and hand checking escalate to a point where both sides are getting ramped up as the game progresses. Then it erupts.

No, I don’t criticize the eye poke and don’t think there was any intention at all. I do blame Sheldon for the chest bump that followed but a “ simple “ technical should have been called to cool things down.

Mabreys’ and Cunningham’s actions warranted expulsion.
 
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I think Caitlin gets an advantage in that she is not called for the numerous push offs that are a part of her game. I am a fever fan ( mostly because of Boston) and enjoy Clark’s shooting and passing. But I understand how opponents complain that refs should try to limit her most obvious push offs.

I think her defenders get very frustrated by the leniency afforded to Clark on push offs that leads to them using their arms more aggressively to counter that. The refs are lenient in that regards too. The push offs and hand checking escalate to a point where both sides are getting ramped up as the game progresses. Then it erupts.

No, I don’t criticize the eye poke and don’t think there was any intention at all. I do blame Sheldon for the chest bump that followed but a “ simple “ technical should have been called to cool things down.

Mabreys’ and Cunningham’s actions warranted expulsion.
Yup, but this issue is not only something Clark gets away with. A lot of guards do this in WNBA and NCAA.

It reminds me of the NFL and their inconsistency with penalties designed to protect defenders, like low blocks that rarely get called.
 
Sheldon is not a dirty player. She's always has played Clark tough since their college days. Cunningham could have fouled her hard without having to take her down around the neck. Nothing Sheldon did during that game earned that type of tackle.
While I would tend to absolutely agree with you based on my seeing her play many times in college, the fact is she is now in a new league trying to "earn her stripes" and with her new teammate association, she maybe trying to garner their respect.

That said, it is my ABSOLUTE belief the WNBA players feel slighted by the media attention Clark has brought and in general, they treat all rookies shabbily (including Paige). The problem is Clark also whines (as she did in college) and that hurts her credibility. The WNBA officiating also not as high a quality as it needs to be adding the insult to injury. Also add in a rather poorly managed product with the league leadership not really grasping the optics or behavior that needs to be exhibited by the players, the officials, the coaches or its own leadership and you get what we are seeing here.

This is not a new league, this is supposed to already be a "seasoned product" yet here we are with a mess.

The lack of honest accountability by the league is going to hurt the product.
 
I think Caitlin gets an advantage in that she is not called for the numerous push offs that are a part of her game. I am a fever fan ( mostly because of Boston) and enjoy Clark’s shooting and passing. But I understand how opponents complain that refs should try to limit her most obvious push offs.

I think her defenders get very frustrated by the leniency afforded to Clark on push offs that leads to them using their arms more aggressively to counter that. The refs are lenient in that regards too. The push offs and hand checking escalate to a point where both sides are getting ramped up as the game progresses. Then it erupts.

No, I don’t criticize the eye poke and don’t think there was any intention at all. I do blame Sheldon for the chest bump that followed but a “ simple “ technical should have been called to cool things down.

Mabreys’ and Cunningham’s actions warranted expulsion.
Taurasi is the career leader in quite a few official categories, I'd guess she's probably also the all time leader in push offs. Never seemed to be an issue with her. Why is it such an issue for Clark?
 
Taurasi is the career leader in quite a few official categories, I'd guess she's probably also the all time leader in push offs. Never seemed to be an issue with her. Why is it such an issue for Clark?
It’s not an issue for Clark. That’s the point everyone is making. She gets away with a comparable amount of push offs as Diana did. But with that special treatment comes consequences, like more incidents of this sort. That may not have mattered as much ten years ago. But now that Caitlin has raised the profile of the W — and yes, she deserves much of the credit for this — more is at stake for the league. Either the league does something or nothing about it. It’s a marketability calculus and they may get it wrong… or they may get it right. Time will tell. Paige won’t face the same problem because her style of play is different, as someone mentioned earlier.
 
I can't tell what's a joke here anymore. She got jacked in the face and then got ragdolled WWF style.

It's wild how much hatred there is for her considering she singlehandedly gave the league some relevancy.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
First, it's contact to the head/face.
Then after committing the foul, she's the one who moves towards Clark.

If this was a UConn game and this happened to Bueckers or Ball or any women's or men's player, this board would be full of outcries for a flagrant and ejection.
 
Taking one slice in time over a course of an entire career doesn't tell the entire story. The same approach can be taken with Clark to make her look petulant and whiny, which we know isn't the case.

Social media is going to inform our opinions when we've seen her play her entire BIG10 career where she was never in such a situation? We're better than this aren't we?
 
  1. I'm 50/50 if the eye rake was intentional or not, but contact to the face like that (even if incidental) is a flagrant foul
  2. Clark shove back = technical. She didn't do anything malicious and it's weak, but refs will always call double techs in those situations
  3. I'm conflicted on the Mabrey situation. Obviously a technical foul, but she doesn't extend her arms enough to send Clark flying the way she did. More a hard bump than a shove. Not saying Caitlin flopped, she was just caught off guard. I guess I see why it could be an ejection based on Clark getting sent sprawling, but I'd call it a technical and move on
  4. Not sure why Tina got a technical
Cunningham flagrant 2 at the end obviously makes sense. Would have preferred she play the enforcer role during the initial dust up, as a fast break cheap shot is a LOT more dangerous than a few dead ball shoves. And Clark needs enforcers, she's had a target on her back since she got into the league

Call the techs and flagrants, tighten up the whistle for the rest of the game to keep it under control, move on
 
Isn't it sort of weird. Michael Jordan and Larry Bird, two pretty good NBA players, were noted for their trash talking. Yet when they are discussed, the only topic is their ability and talent. I think that the noise surrounding Clark is full of sound and fury signifying nothing. She is an outstanding player and that alone is one of the main reasons she's fouled so much. As for her trash talk, if you can back it up then sound off.
 
Several issues that require a response.

One that Clark was not fouled because her head did not fly back on contact. It is obvious that Sheldons hand does not hit her but swipes across her face. The poster who claims Clark was not hit in the eye appears to be trying to find some justification for her obvious anti Clark stance. Either that or she has never been hit in the eye. It does not take blunt force to effect an eye. A simple swipe will be very painful and affect vision if only temporarily.

Sheldons actions after the eye swipe are not defendable. Clark was already turning away at the conclusion of the swipe and only turned around to voice her objection to Sheldon. Clark does not move toward Sheldon, rather it is Sheldon that closes space to give her a chest bump after the play is already dead. This is obvious from a different angle that is not shown here. It was the chest bump that cause Clark to push her away. What type of person hits a person in the eye and then still goes after them. There were pictures and videos shown with Sheldon not just grabbing Clarks arm, but digging her nails in while doing so during the game.

Cl82 While the league targeting media hyped rookies is not new, it has happened before. I remember Plumb having a very non productive first season. I decided to watch some of the game films and it became obvious what they were doing. They would often double team her even when she was not being productive just to make her look bad. The also played her very physical. That dis not happen to Sabrina because she was injured and out in her third game. The WNBA has a very petty and jeleous driven atmospher. Very clanish and reflects the worst stereotyped female traits. This was a major reason for its unpopularity. Instead of hiring the best they focused on promoting special interests. This was especially true when it came to the announcers hired to do the games. Normally you have a color and also a game play announcer, but the league used two color commentators who ignored the game. They spent all the time discussing everything but the game itself.

There are many reason for the attack on rookies who got a lot of media publicitiy before coming into the league. Sheryl Swoops represents the worst of those. She is concerned about her own legacy and the newer players represent a threat to he position. Cl82 appears to have an agenda as well. Probably because Clark over shadowed Paige as a generational player. I remember before Paige was injured for the first time, they were being compared to each other, with Paige being the overwelming and understandable choice by UConn fans. Clark became what everyone expected Paige to have become. Is it loyalty to Paige that creates a negative attitude for Clark by some. Paige, not Rease would be the most logical rival to Clark. It was only injury that kept that from playing itself out. Time will tell if that ever plays out. but its not a reality now. Reese is only media creation and has no place in the discussion. They do not even play the same position.
 
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Sheldon is not a dirty player. She's always has played Clark tough since their college days. Cunningham could have fouled her hard without having to take her down around the neck. Nothing Sheldon did during that game earned that type of tackle.
Pretty fine line between dirty and overly physical. She single handedly is responsible for causing injuries to both Copper AND Cunningham in the last game these 2 teams played. Was she trying to injure them (ie. dirty)? I highly doubt that. Overly physical and aggressive? I watched the play against Copper and that was 100% the case.

I'll be honest, I'm no fan of Clark. I find her annoying. But this vendetta the league seems to either have against her, or silently look away and allow, certainly runs the risk of hurting the goose that has brought them a golden egg.
 
Several issues that require a response.

One that Clark was not fouled because her head did not fly back on contact. It is obvious that Sheldons hand does not hit her but swipes across her face. The poster who claims Clark was not hit in the eye appears to be trying to find some justification for her obvious anti Clark stance. Either that or she has never been hit in the eye. It does not take blunt force to effect an eye. A simple swipe will be very painful and affect vision if only temporarily.

Sheldons actions after the eye swipe are not defendable. Clark was already turning away at the conclusion of the swipe and only turned around to voice her objection to Sheldon. Clark does not move toward Sheldon, rather it is Sheldon that closes space to give her a chest bump after the play is already dead. This is obvious from a different angle that is not shown here. It was the chest bump that cause Clark to push her away. What type of person hits a person in the eye and then still goes after them. There were pictures and videos shown with Sheldon not just grabbing Clarks arm, but digging her nails in while doing so during the game.

Cl82 While the league targeting media hyped rookies is not new, it has happened before. I remember Plumb having a very non productive first season. I decided to watch some of the game films and it became obvious what they were doing. They would often double team her even when she was not being productive just to make her look bad. The also played her very physical. That dis not happen to Sabrina because she was injured and out in her third game. The WNBA has a very petty and jeleous driven atmospher. Very clanish and reflects the worst stereotyped female traits. This was a major reason for its unpopularity. Instead of hiring the best they focused on promoting special interests. This was especially true when it came to the announcers hired to do the games. Normally you have a color and also a game play announcer, but the league used two color commentators who ignored the game. They spent all the time discussing everything but the game itself.

There are many reason for the attack on rookies who got a lot of media publicitiy before coming into the league. Sheryl Swoops represents the worst of those. She is concerned about her own legacy and the newer players represent a threat to he position. Cl82 appears to have an agenda as well. Probably because Clark over shadowed Paige as a generational player. I remember before Paige was injured for the first time, they were being compared to each other, with Paige being the overwelming and understandable choice by UConn fans. Clark became what everyone expected Paige to have become. Is it loyalty to Paige that creates a negative attitude for Clark by some. Paige, not Rease would be the most logical rival to Clark. It was only injury that kept that from playing itself out. Time will tell if that ever plays out. but its not a reality now. Reese is only media creation and has no place in the discussion. They do not even play the same position.

Poking someone in the eye should mean a lengthy suspension.
 
Poking someone in the eye should mean a lengthy suspension.
If it’s ruled to be intentional, I agree. But players get inadvertently poked in the eye frequently. Suspension for more than the remainder of the game should be done only by the league office after careful review determines intentionality.
 
I saw the video there's no doubt that it was intentional.
+100. The ball was being dribbled BELOW her waist. Sheldon was looking directly at Clark and shot her hand right at her face, about a foot and a half away from slapping at the ball. How people keep overlooking this, and Sheldon subsequently instantly invading Clark's personal space when she was momentarily blinded, is mystifying.

Then of course there's Mabry's body slam which caught Clark completely unaware... Just awful stuff. If that were the NBA, Clark would have jumped up and punched Mabry straight in the face.

 
Paige just engineered a win over the Sun, guarded much of the time by Jacy Sheldon and — guess what — no fights break out, no drama, just good basketball. Just sayin’
Sadly, I don't think it will change the opinions some have of Sheldon after that game. Or it will further inflame them because of the fact nothing happened.
 
Sadly, I don't think it will change the opinions some have of Sheldon after that game. Or it will further inflame them because of the fact nothing happened.
You may be right. But I wasn’t trying to change any opinions. I just find this simple fact really interesting, that Paige does not appear to be changing her style of play to conform to the preexisting norms of the league. I wonder if she’ll end up changing the league by her example.

Caitlin is a transcendent talent and has raised the visibility of the league. She deserves a ton of credit for this. She did something similar for the college game, which is not surprising since she was clearly the second best player in D1 across her entire college career. Paige didn’t have a similar impact on the college game. We’ll see if she does something comparable in the W not by raising its visibility but by reforming the culture of the game.

I know, I’m a fool and a dreamer— Paige is more likely to be chewed up and spat out by a cruel, indifferent league long before she leaves any notable mark. And this result won’t be at all surprising if the Wings continue to play her for 35+ minutes per game in her first season immediately after she’s completed a grueling NC run. I for one hope she doesn’t play in Unrivaled this year or in any other league, but instead rests up in preparation for her second pro season.
 

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