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More Caitlin Clark drama

Earlier this year, we saw Angel Reese flop after a normal foul then rise up to fight and CC get the Flagrant 1.

"Clark gets all the calls" is a relic from her college days. I don't think anyone can watch Fever games and think she receives kid gloves from the refs.
While true, Antonelli did point out a couple times where Clark could have been called for the use of her arm in the game. The initial shoving that wasn't dealt with during the first half is an example. The topic of arm control and what should be allowed is worth discussion along with what's considered an appropriate amount of physical contact.
 
I'm not sure why this is on the UConn forum, but I watched that game and I don't think Jacy was assessed a flagrant foul for incidental contact. The only fouls called on that play were three technicals given to Caitlin (for bumping into Jacy in the immediate aftermath and cursing her, I think) and to Marina Mabrey for sneaking a cheap shot at Caitlin from behind Tina, who was trying to calm things down, and Tina unfortunately got one too for trying to make peace. Later in the game, Sophie Cunningham (naturally) took a cheap shot at Jacy and was ejected.

And just to be clear, there was nothing particularly aggressive about Jacy's play. She accidentally poked Caitlin in the eye. That's it. Nothing nasty about it. Caitlin took offense at it, and I can understand why given how hard she was regularly fouled last season. But this was not one of those incidents. She overreacted and created an incident that allowed Mabrey to get a cheap shot in, and later for Cunningham to reciprocate.
Hard disagree. Caitlin got poked/slapped in the face, the foul is called, Jacy comes up with Clark chest puffed and doesn't give her space. Clark turns around not realizing Jacy's right there, pushes her away to get space and then is promptly T-boned by Mabrey.

I'm not one who agrees with the take that Clark is being targeted intentionally but this incident doesn't help that narrative at all. Not to mention the narrative of her teammates not sticking up for her is also accentuated here.
 
There are some players in the W who are magnets for physical interaction, whether initiating it, responding to it, or pretending that it happened more that reality. I would include Clark, Cunningham, Mabrey, Reese, and maybe a few others.
 
There are some players in the W who are magnets for physical interaction, whether initiating it, responding to it, or pretending that it happened more that reality. I would include Clark, Cunningham, Mabrey, Reese, and maybe a few others.
Carrington, perhaps...
 
Hard disagree. Caitlin got poked/slapped in the face, the foul is called, Jacy comes up with Clark chest puffed and doesn't give her space. Clark turns around not realizing Jacy's right there, pushes her away to get space and then is promptly T-boned by Mabrey.

I'm not one who agrees with the take that Clark is being targeted intentionally but this incident doesn't help that narrative at all. Not to mention the narrative of her teammates not sticking up for her is also accentuated here.
Exactly right. The eye poke, egregious as it was, probably wouldn't have escalated in that moment if Sheldon had simply allowed Clark to stand up while regaining her eyesight.

Instead she crowds her, giving every impression that it wasn't inadvertent. A player who accidentally pokes an eye doesn't typically respond that way.
 
I believe any blow/contact above the shoulders is supposed to be a Flagrant 1 foul in the WNBA. That’s fairly normal.

The WNBA ruled that Mabrey’s foul was a Flagrant 2 and she should have been ejected. However they did NOT suspend either Mabrey or Cunningham from the next game.

Caitlin is a trash talker and gets under player’s skin. She’s an entertainer and a helluva bb player. I love watching her play, although I don’t care for her antics. Not gonna lie, she reminds me a lot of Taurasi. If we’d had social media and talk radio back in her prime I can see some of the same narrative. For sure the officiating is atrocious and they have got to get it under control before somebody really gets hurt.
 
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Apparently, Sheldon was assessed a flagrant foul on this? Honestly, it looks more like a play on, but for the Clark flop.

Really? What game were you watching. The one I saw showed Clark getting a finger in her eye and then shoved to the floor while she attempted to walk away. Having said that let me say this - if the same thing happened in a man's game it might make two sentences in the last column of any sports section.
 
Really? What game were you watching. The one I saw showed Clark getting a finger in her eye and then shoved to the floor while she attempted to walk away. Having said that let me say this - if the same thing happened in a man's game it might make two sentences in the last column of any sports section.
I saw was the clip above. Do you have another one, because from the clip posted above, it doesn't appear that she was poked in the eye. Take a look at my post up above with the frame by frame breakout of what happened. Again, I fully acknowledge I could be mistaken, but from what I've seen it doesn't look like it actually happened.
 
Really? What game were you watching. The one I saw showed Clark getting a finger in her eye and then shoved to the floor while she attempted to walk away. Having said that let me say this - if the same thing happened in a man's game it might make two sentences in the last column of any sports section.
This 100%.
 


Apparently, Sheldon was assessed a flagrant foul on this? Honestly, it looks more like a play on, but for the Clark flop.

I'm not sure why this is on the UConn forum, but I watched that game and I don't think Jacy was assessed a flagrant foul for incidental contact. The only fouls called on that play were three technicals given to Caitlin (for bumping into Jacy in the immediate aftermath and cursing her, I think) and to Marina Mabrey for sneaking a cheap shot at Caitlin from behind Tina, who was trying to calm things down, and Tina unfortunately got one too for trying to make peace. Later in the game, Sophie Cunningham (naturally) took a cheap shot at Jacy and was ejected.

And just to be clear, there was nothing particularly aggressive about Jacy's play. She accidentally poked Caitlin in the eye. That's it. Nothing nasty about it. Caitlin took offense at it, and I can understand why given how hard she was regularly fouled last season. But this was not one of those incidents. She overreacted and created an incident that allowed Mabrey to get a cheap shot in, and later for Cunningham to reciprocate.
Careful, Bone Dog, your antipathy toward Clark is showing.;)
 
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I believe any blow/contact above the shoulders is supposed to be a Flagrant 1 foul in the WNBA. That’s fairly normal.

The WNBA ruled that Mabrey’s foul was a Flagrant 2 and she should have been ejected. However they did NOT suspend either Mabrey or Cunningham from the next game.

Caitlin is a trash talker and gets under player’s skin. She’s an entertainer and a helluva bb player. I love watching her play, although I don’t care for her antics. Not gonna lie, she reminds me a lot of Taurasi. If we’d had social media and talk radio back in her prime I can see some of the same narrative. For sure the officiating is atrocious and they have got to get it under control before somebody really gets hurt.
I've thought of that comparison too, but for whatever reason, Diana is charismatic. I don't see that from Clark.

Hundred percent agree with you she is a fantastic player and extraordinarily entertaining to watch. The range on her shot is pretty much "in the building." One thing that's often forgotten about her is that she's actually a very good passer as well.
 
Different angle with longer view (with the standard inflammatory take):

 
Different angle with longer view (with the standard inflammatory take):


Still don't see more than a play on given the fact that Clark commits three fouls in a row, none of which were called immediately before the play question.
 
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Still don't see more than a play on given the fact that Clark commits three fouls in a row, none of which were called immediately before the plane question.
There was a long article on this whole business. A huge number of WNBA players - including Clark - routinely commit numerous fouls and there is between inconsistent and no enforcement. The writer cited the paint in a WNBA game as one of the most dangerous sports places and cited I think it was 3 recent concussions - including blood being drawn by an elbow - and a case where the player with the concussion got the technical. Coaches - many of them are complaining as much as they can.

By the way, none of the "legitimate" articles I read claim she wasn't poked in the eye, or that calling a foul was inappropriate.

One of the reasons I rarely watch WNBA is not that I mind physical play, but it is constant and so obviously poorly refereed. I happen to think that College refs are better than they get credit for, but in the WNBA, not so much.
 
I can't tell what's a joke here anymore. She got jacked in the face and then got ragdolled WWF style.

It's wild how much hatred there is for her considering she singlehandedly gave the league some relevancy.
+100. All anyone seems to want to talk about is the "eye poke". Clark couldn't see and turned only to have Sheldon standing so close into Clark's space that she literally couldn't move without knocking into her. Clark pushed Sheldon back, and Mabry came over and body knocked Clark to the ground.

Every time there's been an issue, Clark walks away from the drama, which she did again, and the rest of the teams got into it. Sheldon also single handedly had already injured 2 Fever players recently - Colson and Cunningham.

I don't disagree that Clark is mouthy, talks trash, and plays physical, but she's not dirty, and the amount of crap flung Clark's way is mind boggling. I was thrilled Cunningham body-slammed Sheldon late in the game. Good for her. If the refs can't control the nasty physical play against Indiana, I guess the players will have to. And good for them.
 
It's very clear that so many of you do not care for Caitlin Clark. You think the overall mistreatment of her in the league is okay. But have you not considered that the same mistreatment is happening to our Paige Bueckers as well? It's got to stop!
 
+100. All anyone seems to want to talk about is the "eye poke". Clark couldn't see and turned only to have Sheldon standing so close into Clark's space that she literally couldn't move without knocking into her. Clark pushed Sheldon back, and Mabry came over and body knocked Clark to the ground.

Every time there's been an issue, Clark walks away from the drama, which she did again, and the rest of the teams got into it. Sheldon also single handedly had already injured 2 Fever players recently - Colson and Cunningham.

I don't disagree that Clark is mouthy, talks trash, and plays physical, but she's not dirty, and the amount of crap flung Clark's way is mind boggling. I was thrilled Cunningham body-slammed Sheldon late in the game. Good for her. If the refs can't control the nasty physical play against Indiana, I guess the players will have to. And good for them.
Sheldon is not a dirty player. She's always has played Clark tough since their college days. Cunningham could have fouled her hard without having to take her down around the neck. Nothing Sheldon did during that game earned that type of tackle.
 
It's very clear that so many of you do not care for Caitlin Clark. You think the overall mistreatment of her in the league is okay. But have you not considered that the same mistreatment is happening to our Paige Bueckers as well? It's got to stop!
No one thinks mistreatment of Clark is okay. It's that some of us think the interpretation that she's being targeted is overblown because of the media hype. Most if not all of us believe the issue with officiating is the problem and agree that it has to stop.
 
No one thinks mistreatment of Clark is okay. It's that some of us think the interpretation that she's being targeted is overblown because of the media hype. Most if not all of us believe the issue with officiating is the problem and agree that it has to stop.
As always, I most certainly respect your opinion, and I can agree the media is at least 50% of the problem here. But, I don't think CC is treated fairly by the refs (most likely by design of the league office, because the more hype, the thinking is, the more ticket & product sales). If they don't get a handle on it and soon, that thinking is going to backfire of them. And, as I stated previously, this overlooking of the mistreatment is spilling onto the star players of other teams (Paige for example). Sheldon may not be a dirty player, but she looked like it to me in this game. Cunningham has taken on the role of CC's "protector". Ever team has one, and if not wished they did. She actually doesn't look like a protector to me.
 
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As always, I most certainly respect your opinion, and I can agree the media is at least 50% of the problem here. But, I don't think CC is treated fairly by the refs (most likely by design of the league office, because the more hype, the thinking is, the more ticket & product sales). If they don't get a handle on it and soon, that thinking is going to backfire of them. And, as I stated previously, this overlooking of the mistreatment is spilling onto the star players of other teams (Paige for example). Sheldon may not be a dirty player, but she looked like it to me in this game. Cunningham has taken on the role of CC's "protector". Ever team has one, and if not wished they did. She actually doesn't look like a protector to me.
This is theory I hadn't seen put out there before. It's also one that I cringe thinking at being even possible, because it implies that the league, including the NBA, are willing to sacrifice the health of players for profit.
 
No one thinks mistreatment of Clark is okay. It's that some of us think the interpretation that she's being targeted is overblown because of the media hype. Most if not all of us believe the issue with officiating is the problem and agree that it has to stop.
I think Caitlin gets an advantage in that she is not called for the numerous push offs that are a part of her game. I am a fever fan ( mostly because of Boston) and enjoy Clark’s shooting and passing. But I understand how opponents complain that refs should try to limit her most obvious push offs.

I think her defenders get very frustrated by the leniency afforded to Clark on push offs that leads to them using their arms more aggressively to counter that. The refs are lenient in that regards too. The push offs and hand checking escalate to a point where both sides are getting ramped up as the game progresses. Then it erupts.

No, I don’t criticize the eye poke and don’t think there was any intention at all. I do blame Sheldon for the chest bump that followed but a “ simple “ technical should have been called to cool things down.

Mabreys’ and Cunningham’s actions warranted expulsion.
 
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I think Caitlin gets an advantage in that she is not called for the numerous push offs that are a part of her game. I am a fever fan ( mostly because of Boston) and enjoy Clark’s shooting and passing. But I understand how opponents complain that refs should try to limit her most obvious push offs.

I think her defenders get very frustrated by the leniency afforded to Clark on push offs that leads to them using their arms more aggressively to counter that. The refs are lenient in that regards too. The push offs and hand checking escalate to a point where both sides are getting ramped up as the game progresses. Then it erupts.

No, I don’t criticize the eye poke and don’t think there was any intention at all. I do blame Sheldon for the chest bump that followed but a “ simple “ technical should have been called to cool things down.

Mabreys’ and Cunningham’s actions warranted expulsion.
Yup, but this issue is not only something Clark gets away with. A lot of guards do this in WNBA and NCAA.

It reminds me of the NFL and their inconsistency with penalties designed to protect defenders, like low blocks that rarely get called.
 
Sheldon is not a dirty player. She's always has played Clark tough since their college days. Cunningham could have fouled her hard without having to take her down around the neck. Nothing Sheldon did during that game earned that type of tackle.
While I would tend to absolutely agree with you based on my seeing her play many times in college, the fact is she is now in a new league trying to "earn her stripes" and with her new teammate association, she maybe trying to garner their respect.

That said, it is my ABSOLUTE belief the WNBA players feel slighted by the media attention Clark has brought and in general, they treat all rookies shabbily (including Paige). The problem is Clark also whines (as she did in college) and that hurts her credibility. The WNBA officiating also not as high a quality as it needs to be adding the insult to injury. Also add in a rather poorly managed product with the league leadership not really grasping the optics or behavior that needs to be exhibited by the players, the officials, the coaches or its own leadership and you get what we are seeing here.

This is not a new league, this is supposed to already be a "seasoned product" yet here we are with a mess.

The lack of honest accountability by the league is going to hurt the product.
 
I think Caitlin gets an advantage in that she is not called for the numerous push offs that are a part of her game. I am a fever fan ( mostly because of Boston) and enjoy Clark’s shooting and passing. But I understand how opponents complain that refs should try to limit her most obvious push offs.

I think her defenders get very frustrated by the leniency afforded to Clark on push offs that leads to them using their arms more aggressively to counter that. The refs are lenient in that regards too. The push offs and hand checking escalate to a point where both sides are getting ramped up as the game progresses. Then it erupts.

No, I don’t criticize the eye poke and don’t think there was any intention at all. I do blame Sheldon for the chest bump that followed but a “ simple “ technical should have been called to cool things down.

Mabreys’ and Cunningham’s actions warranted expulsion.
Taurasi is the career leader in quite a few official categories, I'd guess she's probably also the all time leader in push offs. Never seemed to be an issue with her. Why is it such an issue for Clark?
 
Taurasi is the career leader in quite a few official categories, I'd guess she's probably also the all time leader in push offs. Never seemed to be an issue with her. Why is it such an issue for Clark?
It’s not an issue for Clark. That’s the point everyone is making. She gets away with a comparable amount of push offs as Diana did. But with that special treatment comes consequences, like more incidents of this sort. That may not have mattered as much ten years ago. But now that Caitlin has raised the profile of the W — and yes, she deserves much of the credit for this — more is at stake for the league. Either the league does something or nothing about it. It’s a marketability calculus and they may get it wrong… or they may get it right. Time will tell. Paige won’t face the same problem because her style of play is different, as someone mentioned earlier.
 
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