Miles out at LSU; Houston bulk ordering xanax

[dayooper]

Kelly will get a pass this season...but if things don't change next year he will be done

No, he won't. As soon as your AD forces you to fire one of your assistants, you are done. Jack Swarbrick forced Brian Kelly to fire his DC VanGorder. He's as good as gone.

BTW - There are a couple of ND Insiders that are saying he's gone as well.

Top jobs available this coming off season:

LSU, Texas, USC, Notre Dame and maybe even Auburn.

 

[TRest]

No, he won't. As soon as your AD forces you to fire one of your assistants, you are done. Jack Swarbrick forced Brian Kelly to fire his DC VanGorder. He's as good as gone.

BTW - There are a couple of ND Insiders that are saying he's gone as well.

Top jobs available this coming off season:

LSU, Texas, USC, Notre Dame and maybe even Auburn.

I know ND is arrogant but who can they get that's a better fit than Kelly?

 

[FDNY99]

No, he won't. As soon as your AD forces you to fire one of your assistants, you are done. Jack Swarbrick forced Brian Kelly to fire his DC VanGorder. He's as good as gone.

BTW - There are a couple of ND Insiders that are saying he's gone as well.

Top jobs available this coming off season:

LSU, Texas, USC, Notre Dame and maybe even Auburn.

Yeah we knew that here with Pasqualoni and his BFF DeLeone. I'd still be shocked if Kelly is fired after this season unless they win only 5 games

 

[dayooper]

I know ND is arrogant but who can they get that's a better fit than Kelly?

To them, anybody. Brian Kelly is very unpopular there with many boosters and fans. As Terry said earlier, he didn't have the P5 experience that they wanted when he was hired. When he was at Central Michigan, he taught a theory of football class. Many thought he was an &$$ and really weren't all that upset when he left. His purple faced tirades haven't changed many opinions. It also might be why his team has quit on him.

While I agree with the sentiment that they won't find a better fit, it isn't about what I think. If they want to find someone better than him, than go for it.

 

[TRest]

To them, anybody. Brian Kelly is very unpopular there with many boosters and fans. As Terry said earlier, he didn't have the P5 experience that they wanted when he was hired. When he was at Central Michigan, he taught a theory of football class. Many thought he was an &$$ and really weren't all that upset when he left. His purple faced tirades haven't changed many opinions. It also might be why his team has quit on him.

While I agree with the sentiment that they won't find a better fit, it isn't about what I think. If they want to find someone better than him, than go for it.

One of my favorite things on Saturdays is the camera shots of Kelly chewing out his players as they come off the field. Walking heart attack.

 

[TerryD]

I know ND is arrogant but who can they get that's a better fit than Kelly?

Georgia fired its coach last year. LSU just fired a guy that went 114-34 with a national title. Oklahoma may fire Stoops. Texas may fire Strong.

Lots of schools fire coaches. Who would any of those schools get that may be a "better fit" than the guy they just fired?

Who knows unless/until they try, right?

But....ND is "arrogant" if it replaces Brian Kelly? Ok.....

 

[TRest]

Georgia fired its coach last year. LSU just fired a guy that went 114-34 with a national title. Oklahoma may fire Stoops. Texas may fire Strong.

Lots of schools fire coaches. Who would any of those schools get that may be a "better fit" than the guy they just fired?

Who knows unless/until they try, right?

But....ND is "arrogant" if it replaces Brian Kelly? Ok.....

He's been your most successful coach in the past 30 years, no? I think he's gotten the most out of his teams up until now. As one of our posters used to say about replacing Edsall (before he left), 3 things can happen with a new hire, either he's better, worse, or equal. So what are the odds you will do better? What hire is getting you back to the championship game?

 

[TerryD]

He's been your most successful coach in the past 30 years, no? I think he's gotten the most out of his teams up until now. As one of our posters used to say about replacing Edsall (before he left), 3 things can happen with a new hire, either he's better, worse, or equal. So what are the odds you will do better? What hire is getting you back to the championship game?

20 years, not 30 (Holtz was forced out by the ND administration in 1996).

I still am not convinced that Kelly will be out after this season. He was 54-20 at ND coming into this season. He might get another season to turn things around.

I hope he does. But, he may have indeed plateaued at ND.

All of ND's legendary coaches (Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian, Devine, Holtz) won national championships in their third year at ND. Kelly got them to the championship game in this third year, but lost big and has not been back.

So, the alumni have him on the other coaching career track than "legendary".

Combine that with the fact that about half the fan base has never been on board with him, plus this 1-3 start and.................

Who will get ND back to the championship game? Hell, I don't know. Maybe nobody, ever. But, maybe there is someone out there who can.

That is Jack Swarbrick's job. He better have a short list and be making contact behind the scenes if a change is to be made.

But, to your point:

Hell, why should any school hire a new coach, then? It is too risky. Under that theory, you guys should have kept Paul Pasqualoni. (and no, I am not equating Pasqualoni's record at UConn with Kelly's at ND, just making a point)

The UConn coaching search may have ended up hitting either of the last two of your coaching search trifecta.

Why did you guys take such a risky chance? I know. For the chance to hire a better coach who would get better results.

That is what ND fans want too.

(P.S. I have lived in Baton Rouge for 33 years. I have seen LSU football in the late Eighties and the Nineties when it had 8 of 11 losing seasons. LSU has not always been good. They went from 1958 until 2004 between national championships. They just fired a coach that was 114-34 with a NC. Just about every Tigah fan is happy that LSU fired him and are salivating at the chance to get Tom Herman. If it is ok for LSU to fire Miles, why not ND firing Kelly? Is LSU "arrogant"?)

 

[TRest]

20 years, not 30 (Holtz was forced out by the ND administration in 1996).

I still am not convinced that Kelly will be out after this season. He was 54-20 at ND coming into this season. He might get another season to turn things around.

I hope he does. But, he may have indeed plateaued at ND.

All of ND's legendary coaches (Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian, Devine, Holtz) won national championships in their third year at ND. Kelly got them to the championship game in this third year, but lost big and has not been back.

So, the alumni have him on the other coaching career track than "legendary".

Combine that with the fact that about half the fan base has never been on board with him, plus this 1-3 start and.......

Who will get ND back to the championship game? Hell, I don't know. Maybe nobody, ever. But, maybe there is someone out there who can.

That is Jack Swarbrick's job. He better have a short list and be making contact behind the scenes if a change is to be made.

But, to your point:

Hell, why should any school hire a new coach, then? It is too risky. Under that theory, you guys should have kept Paul Pasqualoni. (and no, I am not equating Pasqualoni's record at UConn with Kelly's at ND, just making a point)

The UConn coaching search may have ended up hitting either of the last two of your coaching search trifecta.

Why did you guys take such a risky chance? I know. For the chance to hire a better coach who would get better results.

That is what ND fans want too.

(P.S. I have lived in Baton Rouge for 33 years. I have seen LSU football in the late Eighties and the Nineties when it had 8 of 11 losing seasons. LSU has not always been good. They went from 1958 until 2004 between national championships. They just fired a coach that was 114-34 with a NC. Just about every Tigah fan is happy that LSU fired him and are salivating at the chance to get Tom Herman. If it is ok for LSU to fire Miles, why not ND firing Kelly? Is LSU "arrogant"?)

Perhaps arrogant is the wrong word, but delusional doesn't quite fit either. Can LSU get better results than Miles? Maybe, but I doubt it, citing the historical record you just laid out. UConn with Pasqualoni is a different, easier decision because he was just so bad. Getting equal or better performance from a new hire was much higher odds.

And thinking each hire should result in a Legendary coach (National Championship in third year) is arrogant, in today's college football landscape which is designed to favor the P5 champions.

 

[Nostical]

If you want to see where Herman goes just watch Texas vs Oklahoma St. on Saturday. Should the Horns lose--Herman will be Texas' coach next year.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Now Pete Thamel is saying that Charlie Strong is pretty much gone.
Georgia, Oregon and Auburn could join USC, UT and LSU. Thamel runs down all the musical chairs.

Every school wants to win, but it really isn't possible.

 

[HuskyHawk]

And they are piling on. The ESPN take is here from Jake Trotter.

I think UT doesn't want to miss out to LSU on the Tom Herman sweepstakes.

 

[bobbyinaz]

Now Pete Thamel is saying that Charlie Strong is pretty much gone.
Georgia, Oregon and Auburn could join USC, UT and LSU. Thamel runs down all the musical chairs.

Every school wants to win, but it really isn't possible.

Oregon could end up being the jewel out of all these jobs. The question then becomes do they go the Scott Frost route or do they use Phil Knight's checkbook to go big game hunting.

Don't be shocked if we see Chip Kelly Part 2

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Oregon could end up being the jewel out of all these jobs. The question then becomes do they go the Scott Frost route or do they use Phil Knight's checkbook to go big game hunting.

Don't be shocked if we see Chip Kelly Part 2

Doubt the Niners would mind much. Why on earth the took him on after the mess in Philly, which is now 3 and 0 without him, is mind boggling.

 

[Ldandy]

Now Pete Thamel is saying that Charlie Strong is pretty much gone.
Georgia, Oregon and Auburn could join USC, UT and LSU. Thamel runs down all the musical chairs.

Every school wants to win, but it really isn't possible.

I wouldn't put Kirby Smart at UGA on this list in his first season starting a freshman QB. The SEC East SUCKS and he's recruiting at a very high level. He'll be given some time to get things going. UT and USC are locks to be looking for new coaches, with Auburn around 50/50 depending how their season plays out. I suspect that Helfrich will be given more time as he did take them to a title game a few years ago and he's dealing with a lot of injuries.

 

[dayooper]

I wouldn't put Kirby Smart at UGA on this list in his first season starting a freshman QB. The SEC East SUCKS and he's recruiting at a very high level. He'll be given some time to get things going. UT and USC are locks to be looking for new coaches, with Auburn around 50/50 depending how their season plays out. I suspect that Helfrich will be given more time as he did take them to a title game a few years ago and he's dealing with a lot of injuries.

I thought putting Georgia in the category of looking for a new coach was jumping the gun.

I think UT and USC are locks to find a new coach while Auburn and ND are both 50/50 propositions right now. MSU coach Mark Dantonio's name has been mentioned with LSU, but I believe he will be at MSU until he retires. He's in his 60's now and does he really want to rebuild a program now when he basically walks on water in East Lansing. I think he has three years left and he will scowl into the sunset.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

I thought putting Georgia in the category of looking for a new coach was jumping the gun.

I think UT and USC are locks to find a new coach while Auburn and ND are both 50/50 propositions right now. MSU coach Mark Dantonio's name has been mentioned with LSU, but I believe he will be at MSU until he retires. He's in his 60's now and does he really want to rebuild a program now when he basically walks on water in East Lansing. I think he has three years left and he will scowl into the sunset.

I agree in general....but there is no rebuilding to be done at LSU. I think they are actually in better shape than MSU right now. Actually....I think Orgeron has a real chance to stick there. Especially if they whiff on Herman.