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brasssbonanzaa said:
There's a lot of reason to believe Herman would stay if UH went to the B12, not the least of which is his salary jump in his contract. But at this point, how do you evaluate UH if Herman leaves?
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Houston's big advantage is location. They have a great recruiting area and a large city. That is still there without Herman. They are the 3rd largest city in the US. It's pretty easy to be sustainable when you have that kind of advantage. They are the anti-Boise St. Herman being a coach there will not impact their decision....that is if they are smart (?).
 
JSM1970 said:
LSU is a 10x better job than Va Tech, really? LSU can realistically compete for a NC 2-3 out of every 5 years, VA Tech maybe 1 in every 25, if that often.

Yes, more pressure, but isn't that what competitive people want? They have to compete against FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville and every now and then GTech, UNC, etc.
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Yes really. I already gave you a list of reasons why.

Have you not watched how LSU has treated him? Nobody wants to work for a school who pulled that stunt last season and now this.

Winning a division championship is much easier for V-Tech than LSU. Moving forward with Saban And Freeze in the division winning the SEC West is going to be really difficult. Just think about it. Being better than UNC and Miami or being better than Bama and Ole Miss. Pretty easy to see which is more likely to happen.

V-Tech will give you an extension/raise for 8 wins. LSU will fire you for 8 wins.
VTech will give you time to build a program with going to a bowl being good enough for a couple years. LSU will expect instant success and likely fire you in year 2 or 3 if things have not turned around, won a SEC CC, and play for a NC.
For a young coach going to LSU it's much more likely that they get fired than it is they stay for 10 years and build up a reputation for themselves. Why would you wank into a situation that has so many cards stacked against you when there are better situations out there. Look at something like USC, much better job.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
While Mr. Star has his laughable and disgusting position (it wasn't our fault, it was the media's!), I don't think university presidents, even in the SEC, will touch Mr. Briles until there is full disclosure of the report that Pepper Hamilton did, which is likely buried in a deep, deep, hole somewhere in Texas. Just too much legal and risk exposure should it be revealed that Coach Briles was more involved in the mess at Baylor than currently believed. A Federal DOJ Title IX investigation is a serious matter, unlike say a NCAA witch-hunt.
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You do realize they already contacted him right?
After Les Miles is fired, LSU reportedly reaches out to former Baylor coach Art Briles | SportsDay
After Les Miles is fired, LSU reportedly reaches out to former Baylor coach Art Briles
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Houston's big advantage is location. They have a great recruiting area and a large city. That is still there without Herman. They are the 3rd largest city in the US. It's pretty easy to be sustainable when you have that kind of advantage. They are the anti-Boise St. Herman being a coach there will not impact their decision....that is if they are smart (?).
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If their big advantage is location why have they been passed over so many times by the Big 12 and others?
 
Good Lawd. Asking that is like asking why was UConn passed over so many times by the B1G and ACC?
 
FDNY99 said:
Look above...I think that will the prevailing feeling...if UConn was gonna get left out better for nothing to happen. That should also coincide with no GOR extension and a count down to B-12 implosion.
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Gives UConn several years to build football program for the impeding implosion
 
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MountainMan said:
Good Lawd. Asking that is like asking why was UConn passed over so many times by the B1G and ACC?
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It was a quasi-rhetorical question. The point being, if Herman isn't their big advantage point, then why during the multiple rounds of Big 12 expansion in the past did they not look at UH and their location in the #3 market and take them? My point is that their location is only a minor consideration of their candidacy, it's their football program that suddenly got into the playoff picture under Herman.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
While Mr. Star has his laughable and disgusting position (it wasn't our fault, it was the media's!), I don't think university presidents, even in the SEC, will touch Mr. Briles until there is full disclosure of the report that Pepper Hamilton did, which is likely buried in a deep, deep, hole somewhere in Texas. Just too much legal and risk exposure should it be revealed that Coach Briles was more involved in the mess at Baylor than currently believed. A Federal DOJ Title IX investigation is a serious matter, unlike say a NCAA witch-hunt.
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I think Briles goes G5 for a few years as Petrino did.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
It was a quasi-rhetorical question. The point being, if Herman isn't their big advantage point, then why during the multiple rounds of Big 12 expansion in the past did they not look at UH and their location in the #3 market and take them? My point is that their location is only a minor consideration of their candidacy, it's their football program that suddenly got into the playoff picture under Herman.
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I see. I agree for the most part but location is still a factor. I think the TV ratings in the Houston TV market as well as nationally have been more impressive from an expansion standpoint than just the wins. I guess I think lots of people knew Houston could be really good but didn't' expect them to be this good or have this good of TV ratings. Essentially they have reset the high water mark for the program.

One interesting thing is to look at thier coaching hires getting 3 out of the lst 4 with excellent candidates along with some great assistants like Kliff Kingsbury and Dana Holgorsen.
 
MountainMan said:
Good Lawd. Asking that is like asking why was UConn passed over so many times by the B1G and ACC?
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We weren't passed over by the B1G. They have yet to publicly consider us for expansion. We are definitely of interest to them, though.
 
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MountainMan said:
Good Lawd. Asking that is like asking why was UConn passed over so many times by the B1G and ACC?
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WE ARE a far better pick in the long run than BC or Syracuse or Rutgers ... maybe even Pitt. We just lack about a decade of Bigtime Football. Starting in 2003 (essentially) is why we "got passed over". If you think WVU has better long term value as a Football/AD placeholder in a P5 conference, I disagree as well.

Swofford deserves zero respect; Delany (imho) at least had a clear angle to what he did.
 
Maybe but when it comes to football morals get thrown out the window in the SEC. He is actually a perfect fit for them and I'd be shocked if he weren't successful. I dont' see Hermann as a good fit. He seems more like a Texas guy than a scumbag. LSU needs a scumbag. Petrino might be the next best option but he is in a better situation at Louisville than would be as LSU. Heck a few more years at Louisville and they will probably build a statue and start naming buildings.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
It was a quasi-rhetorical question. The point being, if Herman isn't their big advantage point, then why during the multiple rounds of Big 12 expansion in the past did they not look at UH and their location in the #3 market and take them? My point is that their location is only a minor consideration of their candidacy, it's their football program that suddenly got into the playoff picture under Herman.
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I agree that their football program in general has gotten them into consideration...but my point is that the program has been good before Herman...and they have the resources to be good after Herman. I don't think if Herman left tomorrow the Big 12 expansion committee would change their vote on Houston.

Don't forget...Art Briles and Kevin Sumlin were coaches at Houston....and the program succeeded after they left.
 
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sportsart said:
The Big 12 will not be expanding. Nothing to see here. :cool:

It's time we start facing the reality here folks. We've been peeling the infected band aid ever so slowly for years.

Time to rip it off, get medical attention and move on.

Someone had to say it. :eek:
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You are on record for this. At this point it may be best for us. Still the hope we're on the lifeboat hopes you are wrong.
 
What is crazier is that Louisiana faces a $2 Billion budget shortfall 2016-2017 and this is okay for a public university. Yeah donors will cover it but insanity.
 
MountainMan said:
I don't see that as one of the best jobs at all. The SEC is the toughest conference as far as how they treat coaches. Most schools would rename the stadium and build a monument if they could get similar achievements to Miles at LSU, they almost fired him last season in a really embarrassing saga and now this just a few games into the season, that's ruthless. With Saban in the SEC west for the foreseeable future that is not a good spot for a coach looking for long term stability.

I think you will see smart coaches do what Fuente did last year. They will wait for an opportunity where the probability of being successful is high. Being in the ACC opposite of FSU, Clemson, and Louisville is a great spot to win. Great opportunity to win the division regularly, fanbase that is ok with winning 8 games a year, fanbase that sticks with a coach for the long haul, commitment to the program, good recruiting area, etc... V-Tech is a great job in many ways.

LSU you wank in with the expectation to win the SEC in 2 years and a NC in 5 or you are likely fired. Could be fired earlier if something goes wrong, like a last second loss, bad call, etc... and a game is lost that the alumni think they should have won. Fanbase that has no loyalty, even to a proven winner. Unlikely to win division until Saban retires.

IMO there will be much better jobs/situations than LSU. I'm already convinced that Briles will be hired at LSU.
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There's tons of talent in LA and they all want to go to LSU. It's like a free pass plus if you can steal recruits from Texas and AL the recruiting classes will be unbelievable.
 
MountainMan said:
Yes really. I already gave you a list of reasons why.

Have you not watched how LSU has treated him? Nobody wants to work for a school who pulled that stunt last season and now this.

Winning a division championship is much easier for V-Tech than LSU. Moving forward with Saban And Freeze in the division winning the SEC West is going to be really difficult. Just think about it. Being better than UNC and Miami or being better than Bama and Ole Miss. Pretty easy to see which is more likely to happen.

V-Tech will give you an extension/raise for 8 wins. LSU will fire you for 8 wins.
VTech will give you time to build a program with going to a bowl being good enough for a couple years. LSU will expect instant success and likely fire you in year 2 or 3 if things have not turned around, won a SEC CC, and play for a NC.
For a young coach going to LSU it's much more likely that they get fired than it is they stay for 10 years and build up a reputation for themselves. Why would you wank into a situation that has so many cards stacked against you when there are better situations out there. Look at something like USC, much better job.
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I would guess that LSU pays more than VT.
Also easier recruiting.
 
FartMan69 said:
There's tons of talent in LA and they all want to go to LSU. It's like a free pass plus if you can steal recruits from Texas and AL the recruiting classes will be unbelievable.
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You guys are living in fantasy land. The LSU job has not preven to be a stable position in recent history. And LSU is not some dominant team like you make them out to be. They have 14 SEC championship going back to 1896, that's it, with all that so called talent. 5 Since the BCS era and 2.99 of those are because of the greatest coach in the modern era. That's hardly a trend

Smart coaches are going to look for great situations where they can stay for long periods and build a program/legacy. See turkey neck, Snyder, Patterson, Stoops, Dantonio, for great examples where coaches can set themselves up for long term success.

It's much better than dealing with unrealistic expectations and your job being in jeopardy every game like it would be at LSU. Knowing your life is one fumble away from being turned upside down is no way to live. Going in to LSU you know that you probably have 2 years to win a CC or you are fired. Chances of even lasting a decade are very slim. It's a short term money grab that likely end with being fired within a few years unless you plan on regularly beating the greatest coach in history.

I'd gladly bet on Fuente lasting longer at VTEch than whoever gets hired at LSU.
 
vowelguy said:
I would guess that LSU pays more than VT.
Also easier recruiting.
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So if its' so good why can't' anybody but the greatest coach in history win there?
Year Conference Coach Overall Record Conference Record

1988† SEC Mike Archer 8–4 6–1
2001 SEC Nick Saban 10–3 5–3
2003 SEC Nick Saban 13–1 7–1
2007 SEC Les Miles 12–2 6–2
2011 SEC Les Miles 13–1 8–0


1995† Big East 10–2 6–1
1996† Big East 10–2 6–1
1999 Big East 11–1 7–0
2004 ACC 10–3 7–1
2007* ACC 11–3 8–1
2008* ACC 10–4 6–3
2010* ACC 11–2 9–0
 
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MountainMan said:
So if its' so good why can't' anybody but the greatest coach in history win there?
Year Conference Coach Overall Record Conference Record

1988† SEC Mike Archer 8–4 6–1
2001 SEC Nick Saban 10–3 5–3
2003 SEC Nick Saban 13–1 7–1
2007 SEC Les Miles 12–2 6–2
2011 SEC Les Miles 13–1 8–0


1995† Big East 10–2 6–1
1996† Big East 10–2 6–1
1999 Big East 11–1 7–0
2004 ACC 10–3 7–1
2007* ACC 11–3 8–1
2008* ACC 10–4 6–3
2010* ACC 11–2 9–0
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If the sole criteria is to find a job where you can have a high winning percentage, everyone would want to coach at North Dakota St or Mount Union.
 
Yeah...I don't think Kelly is going to move this season either.

I do think Lane Kiffin has a real shot at the LSU job also.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Yeah...I don't think Kelly is going to move this season either.

I do think Lane Kiffin has a real shot at the LSU job also.
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Interesting, given that he wasn't great at USC, and they will likely have an opening too. I think they will get Herman, then Houston might go for Kiffin.
 
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