Mike Aresco Unloads on CFB Playoff Committee & ESPN on Latest Rankings

[Wordbomar]

Western Michigan beat Northwestern and Illinois out of conference. UCF has beaten Maryland and avoided Georgia Tech out of Conference.

I still say if you didn't advocate for Western Michigan you are being a homer for the AAC. Very similar case can be made for both teams.

Though I will say that this is definitely a different scenario. I don't understand how anyone goes 13-0 and doesn't make the playoffs. Needs to be 8 teams. Best G5 gets in

 

[sportsart]

Western Michigan beat Northwestern and Illinois out of conference. UCF has beaten Maryland and avoided Georgia Tech out of Conference.

I still say if you didn't advocate for Western Michigan you are being a homer for the AAC. Very similar case can be made for both teams.

Playing in a weak conference is a different story for WM.

Playing more physical teams week in and week out makes a difference.

W Mich would not have been unbeaten in the AAC last year.

 

[Bobol]

If the committee does such a bad job can someone give me a playoff that hasn’t had the right teams in it?

Yeah, Penn State should have been in last season's 4 team playoff rather than The Ohio State given the fact that last season Penn State defeated The Ohio State in route to winning the Big 10 Championship.

 

[whaler11]

Yeah, Penn State should have been in last season's 4 team playoff rather than The Ohio State given the fact that last season Penn State defeated The Ohio State in route to winning the Big 10 Championship.

To make thar argument you’d need to use logic opposite what this thread is based on.

Fwiw, few agree specifically to that case and almost no one agrees with 2 loss teams over 1 loss teams in general when there is a h2h win.

 

[Bobol]

Good for Aresco for speaking up and attempting to create the issue regarding selection.

I believe that Fresco is doing a reasonably good job "playing the cards dealt to him". My issue with the American is that there are too many irrelevant teams: Tulsa, ECU, Tulane, and SMU which detract from its strengths.

Single conference for football with the following schools is much more attractive.
UConn
Memphis
Houston
Navy
UCF
USF
Temple
Cincinnati

Likewise the above teams in a single basketball conference with Wichita State is a big time basketball conference.

 

[Bobol]

To make thar argument you’d need to use logic opposite what this thread is based on.

Fwiw, few agree specifically to that case and almost no one agrees with 2 loss teams over 1 loss teams in general when there is a h2h win.

Hey Whale ...... Take a moment to read Coach Meyer's comments to see just how wrong you are. Urban Meyer: Penn State should've made College Football Playoff

 

[ASweet3781]

Good for Aresco for speaking up and attempting to create the issue regarding selection.

I believe that Fresco is doing a reasonably good job "playing the cards dealt to him". My issue with the American is that there are too many irrelevant teams: Tulsa, ECU, Tulane, and SMU which detract from its strengths.

Single conference for football with the following schools is much more attractive.
UConn
Memphis
Houston
Navy
UCF
USF
Temple
Cincinnati

Likewise the above teams in a single basketball conference with Wichita State is a big time basketball conference.

Tulsa and East Carolina were the real mistakes. They really bring nothing at all. Tulane and SMU are fine to get to 10, New Orleans and Dallas and good academics.

 

[sportsart]

I'm hoping someday I'm the smartest guy in the room.

 

[whaler11]

Hey Whale . Take a moment to read Coach Meyer's comments to see just how wrong you are. Urban Meyer: Penn State should've made College Football Playoff

LOL he’s saying over Washington not Ohio State.

He probably thinks Michigan belonged in over Clemson too.

If there is anyone we can trust with the decision it’s the head coaches for sure. No bias there!

 

[whaler11]

I'm hoping someday I'm the smartest guy in the room.

You probably are going to have to do more than hope.

 

[Hoophound]

This is kind of ridiculous. We have college football on a few networks. ABC/ESPN are actually the same network. The ONLY way to get acknowledgement from the the college football world that the AAC is a major conference is for ABC/ESPN to declare it so. Simple as that, they create the narrative.

I defy anyone to tell me that the game I just watched between UCF and USF wasn’t a major heavyweight game. Major skill and athleticism on display. The broadcast quality was high, the announcers professional, the sound amplified. It was a big time PRODUCTION. The whole thing was big time. ESPN can flip that switch whenever they want. They decided to make that a big game. They put the resources into the broadcast. They will decide what the AAC becomes.

 

[UConnDan97]

Were people here advocating for a 13-0 Western Michigan to be in the CFP last year? Very similar situation as UCF this year. If you weren't advocating for Western Michigan last year you are just being a homer this year!

Yes, I was advocating for them too. I've advocated for undefeated teams since the dawn of time, thank you...

 

[noeynox]

This is kind of ridiculous. We have college football on a few networks. ABC/ESPN are actually the same network. The ONLY way to get acknowledgement from the the college football world that the AAC is a major conference is for ABC/ESPN to declare it so. Simple as that, they create the narrative.

I defy anyone to tell me that the game I just watched between UCF and USF wasn’t a major heavyweight game. Major skill and athleticism on display. The broadcast quality was high, the announcers professional, the sound amplified. It was a big time PRODUCTION. The whole thing was big time. ESPN can flip that switch whenever they want. They decided to make that a big game. They put the resources into the broadcast. They will decide what the AAC becomes.

It also had a packed Stadium. That adds to the quality of the production. Those have been hard to come by in this league.

 

[sportsart]

I enjoyed listening to the announcers. The play by play guy made it feel like a big time game.

Which it was.

 

[Hoophound]

It also had a packed Stadium. That adds to the quality of the production. Those have been hard to come by in this league.

They help fill stadiums. They tell people who is good, who is worth watching, who is improving. I’m sitting at a 5 day Thanksgiving celebration in Florida and the ACC fans actually think the ACC is the equal of the SEC. Why? ESPN says so. You could fill the Rent with ease if ESPN kept saying UConn was on the cusp of being good or great. That’s all Connecticut needs to hear.

 

[zls44]

They help fill stadiums. They tell people who is good, who is worth watching, who is improving. I’m sitting at a 5 day Thanksgiving celebration in Florida and the ACC fans actually think the ACC is the equal of the SEC. Why? ESPN says so. You could fill the Rent with ease if ESPN kept saying UConn was on the cusp of being good or great. That’s all Connecticut needs to hear.

One statement can be argued as possibly true.

One cannot.

 

[SubbaBub]

To make thar argument you’d need to use logic opposite what this thread is based on.

Fwiw, few agree specifically to that case and almost no one agrees with 2 loss teams over 1 loss teams in general when there is a h2h win.

Best conference champions. How you decide that is an open question but it should start with the champions as determined by the conference. If they want to risk missing our because a 2 or 3 or 4 loss team wins its CCG, no one would cry over it if that was stated up front.

The Washington/Penn State argument or Oklahoma/Penn State argument would have been tougher than the Ohio State/Penn State argument.

Personally, for FB, Start with the number of wins vs. 8 win teams (means you won most of your OOC and finished over .500 in conference), add the number of Top 25 wins (final poll only), add the number of Top 10 and Top 5 wins then subtract the number of unranked losses and number of sub .500 losses. Highest ranked win breaks ties. Conference champions only and I'll live with whatever results may come.

 

[UCFBfan]

I don’t envy Aresco’s position. He’s trying to make the big kids think that the tallest midget belongs. But, he took the position knowing that, so I don’t have all that much sympathy to hear from him that people don’t buy what he’s selling. That’s his job. Figure it out Mike. Putting P6 on down markers ain’t doing it.

My opinion is he has to figure out how to get the other leagues to agree to a 6 or 8 team playoff that includes the AAC. That’s not easy but I don’t see another way.

It wouldn’t hurt if teams consistently beat the P5 either but that’s out of his control.

I agree with you on all of this. However, while the whole P6 thing is silly, if he didn’t do anything we’d all be killing him for that. At least he’s trying something. Even if it’s a battle he’ll never win, he’s at least trying to justify his paycheck. In the end, it’s not ever going to happen and I agree that the only chance is that they expand the playoff and include either us or just the best G5 team. I just don’t see them, the P5, ever agreeing to that. They think they are doing their part by allowing the best G5 to have the “honor” of being in a big time bowl game.

If Aresco wants to do something that is possible, it would be to get us into bowl games that are against P5 schools. I believe we only have one game that has that? The rest are against G5 teams. I know bowls are worthless but it at least gives his League the chance to match up against the big boys and possibly beat them.

 

[UCFBfan]

Good for Aresco for speaking up and attempting to create the issue regarding selection.

I believe that Fresco is doing a reasonably good job "playing the cards dealt to him". My issue with the American is that there are too many irrelevant teams: Tulsa, ECU, Tulane, and SMU which detract from its strengths.

Single conference for football with the following schools is much more attractive.
UConn
Memphis
Houston
Navy
UCF
USF
Temple
Cincinnati

Likewise the above teams in a single basketball conference with Wichita State is a big time basketball conference.

You do realize that any of those schools could easily say the same thing about including UConn, right? We’ve been abysmal in football, more so than the teams you want to eliminate.

And before you say that we bring other big sports in, remember that SMU and Tulsa have been solid in basketball. ECU brings in fans that support their team and would travel to bowls. Tulane, I got nothing.....I don’t buy the whole New Orleans market business.

 

[Hoophound]

One statement can be argued as possibly true.

One cannot.

I 100% disagree. The difference between a full Rent and a half full Rent is not just wins and losses. A full Rent will require not only a pretty good team, but a team that ESPN declares worth seeing. Perception is reality. College sports are the ultimate display of perception being reality.

In both football and basketball, ESPN determines who is good and who isn’t. ESPN routinely says teams with near .500 records are good because it fits their narrative. ESPN makes or breaks leagues and programs and they know it.

If you want the fans to come back, it takes more than wins, it takes ESPN endorsing us as worth watching. We have a fan base that is used to winning titles. Our casual fan wants to see games that matter. Our games won’t matter until ESPN proclaims so. It is sad, but totally true.

 

[NE Football]

Our games will not matter unless we get more ACC and B1G teams on our schedule even if it means giving 2 for 1’s to BC, SU, Pitt, PSU, Michigan, tOSU, etc.

 

[Sea Goat]

All that matters is the perception that people have - the AAC is considered second rate and nobody give a $#!+ what Aresco thinks...

 

[zls44]

If you want the fans to come back, it takes more than wins, it takes ESPN endorsing us as worth watching.

Earn that.

 

[UConnDan97]

Earn that.

I know you work there and all, but we already have earned that. But we didn't get that. And now we're paying for not getting that...

 

[Jimdish255]

Clemson is a good/very good team. But when they beat #24 S. Carolina they won't have beaten a team as good as unranked South Florida. Another little resume builder for the committee.

 

[zls44]

I know you work there and all, but we already have earned that. But we didn't get that. And now we're paying for not getting that...

When the hell did we earn it? 2010?

 

[whaler11]

Clemson is a good/very good team. But when they beat #24 S. Carolina they won't have beaten a team as good as unranked South Florida. Another little resume builder for the committee.

Auburn?

NC State and Virginia Tech are better than South Florida too.

The ACC is light years better than the AAC.

Clemson beat Boston College who is one slot behind USF in the composite computer rankings going into this week. (Wake and Lousiville were ahead of USF who Clemson beat too).

So by the composite computer rankings going into this weekend - Clemson has 5 wins better than USF and is working on #6 with South Carolina.

But other than that - sure.

 

[HartfordHank]

Clemson is a good/very good team. But when they beat #24 S. Carolina they won't have beaten a team as good as unranked South Florida. Another little resume builder for the committee.

Auburn?

 

[whaler11]

USF has no argument to be ranked.

They played one good team (UCF) - Lost
They played one decent team (Houston) - Lost


Their best win?

You can make the call between #71 Maryland, #80 Tulane or #81 Temple.

Yes that’s right. They beat one bowl eligible team. Temple. A team that lost at home to UConn.

How did mighty Temple get bowl eligible? They beat Villanova, UMass, East Carolina, Tulsa, Cincinnati and Navy.

Yet somehow UCF is validated by beating USF? Good gravy.

 

[CTBballfan243]

The P5 and G5 will have separate CFB playoffs. It’s only a matter of time.