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Michigan Goes down!

Class of 09 said:
Not really because on a dunk you don’t initiate contact with the ball while it’s over the cylinder, it’s already in your hand. What he did would be like hitting a putt and then hitting the ball again while it’s rolling into the cup.
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Great analogy!
 
UM’s KP has dropped below where the 24 squad ended the season
 
TheChamps990411 said:
It is insane some of the stuff ive heard from people online about Michigan. I mean they are really good but to put them up with the `24 team that is literally one of the 5 best teams of the last 40 years and in the discussion for #1 considering they obliterated the field in the tournament including the team that spent the most time at #1 that season. Theyve achieved nothing at this point. They are in no discussion for greatest anything ever. Win the natty then we can start talking historical relevance.
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It’s a long season. And sometimes teams lose a bit of focus. The 2024 UConn team that was so dominant in the tournament lost 3 regular season game. Kansas, Creighton who blew them out of the building and inexplicably Seton Hall who also beat them pretty soundly.

I don’t know how good Michigan will or won’t be the rest of the season and in the tournament but losing a game in early January isn’t a sign of anything other than it is college basketball.
 
bendm said:
UM’s KP has dropped below where the 24 squad ended the season
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Which is utterly meaningless at this point in the season. Do you know what they call a guy who wins an Olympic gold medal with the slowest time in years his event? An Olympic Champion. Another way to look at it, who had the top NET rating going into the 2023 NCAA Tournament? UConn was 8th. Would you trade some computer generated ranking with any of the 7 teams rated higher?
 
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freescooter said:
Which is utterly meaningless at this point in the season. Do you know what they call a guy who wins an Olympic gold medal with the slowest time in years his event? An Olympic Champion.
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this would only make sense if UM has won anything...which they haven't.

There ain't no banner for "KP #1, Jan 11"
 
freescooter said:
It’s a long season. And sometimes teams lose a bit of focus. The 2024 UConn team that was so dominant in the tournament lost 3 regular season game. Kansas, Creighton who blew them out of the building and inexplicably Seton Hall who also beat them pretty soundly.

I don’t know how good Michigan will or won’t be the rest of the season and in the tournament but losing a game in early January isn’t a sign of anything other than it is college basketball.
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'24 UConn was without Castle and Cam was on two bad wheels and could barely move. UConn lost Clingan early in the second half of the Seton Hall game to injury, he was dominating and UConn wss down 4 points when he left the game with the injury. Creighton did kick UConn's button.

Michigan is very lucky to only have this one home loss. Wake completely choked the game away to them and Penn State had two chances to beat them without Penn State's best player playing the game. More losses are coming for Michigan.
 
superjohn said:
'24 UConn was without Castle and Cam was on two bad wheels and could barely move. UConn lost Clingan early in the second half of the Seton Hall game to injury, he was dominating and UConn wss down 4 points when he left the game with the injury. Creighton did kick UConn's button.

Michigan is very lucky to only have this one home loss. Wake completely choked the game away to them and Penn State had two chances to beat them without Penn State's best player playing the game. More losses are coming for Michigan.
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Gonna agree with you there - when you go out and lay a stinker on the road and then don’t rebound at home, likely means field is catching on to something.
 
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Id ignore kenpom,, hes still using last years data. In the world of NIL and transfers that doesnt make sense. Torvik seems more accurate and he has us at 4.
 
Drame said:
Id ignore kenpom,, hes still using last years data. In the world of NIL and transfers that doesnt make sense. Torvik seems more accurate and he has us at 4.
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at this point, KP has barely any preseason (and previous season) data involved. Within a week or so, it should be completely out of the system.

The delta between KP and Torvik has to do with how torvik more aggressively downplays garbage time than KP...where we have not run away with things (or struggled, depending on your perspective). So for instance in the game yesterday, torvik gives us much more credit for a beatdown (since the game was out of hand) than KP (who only sees a 12 point victory)
 
RuffRuff said:
Gonna agree with you there - when you go out and lay a stinker on the road and then don’t rebound at home, likely means field is catching on to something.
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Goal posts are moving…..
 
uh-no said:
this would only make sense if UM has won anything...which they haven't.

There ain't no banner for "KP #1, Jan 11"
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Exactly! What matters is who is wins the last game of the year. And it matters exactly zero what one’s Kpom, RPI, NET or any other model projects. What matters is who has the most points.
 
Drame said:
Id ignore kenpom,, hes still using last years data. In the world of NIL and transfers that doesnt make sense. Torvik seems more accurate and he has us at 4.
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You have a statement from him proving that? Teams are fully connected at 10 games.
 
caw said:
Most of it was because of sites like Kenpom where people were stupidly using that site to compare across seasons which it’s just not meant to do.
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Ranked 3rd in 2023 and 9th in 2026. Forget about the rating itself, the ranking against the field does say something. You just don't like anything that isn't rainbows and unicorn farts. No one has ever claimed that the comparison, now, predicts anything about where they end up. It is simply an interesting data point about where the two teams stand at the midpoint. Some people can handle it.
 
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freescooter said:
It’s a long season. And sometimes teams lose a bit of focus. The 2024 UConn team that was so dominant in the tournament lost 3 regular season game. Kansas, Creighton who blew them out of the building and inexplicably Seton Hall who also beat them pretty soundly.

I don’t know how good Michigan will or won’t be the rest of the season and in the tournament but losing a game in early January isn’t a sign of anything other than it is college basketball.
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Kansas beat us with 3 guys injured and it was a very close game. Seton Hall DC was still working his way back and went down again with the injury in that game. Crayton is the only team that legit beat us and it was just one of those weird games that happen in cbb where the other team just hits everything. That Uconn team if healthy couldve concievably lost just one game. Undefeated doesnt mean best. UNLV 90 considered by many the best team of the last 40 years lost 5 times.
 
Drame said:
Id ignore kenpom,, hes still using last years data. In the world of NIL and transfers that doesnt make sense. Torvik seems more accurate and he has us at 4.
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KenPom had us ranked higher in the preseason than now, so more preseason data would help us at this point.
 
I quick google search suggest Michigan should go down more often. And when I say quick I'm talking about Michiganders.
 
freescooter said:
Which is utterly meaningless at this point in the season. Do you know what they call a guy who wins an Olympic gold medal with the slowest time in years his event? An Olympic Champion. Another way to look at it, who had the top NET rating going into the 2023 NCAA Tournament? UConn was 8th. Would you trade some computer generated ranking with any of the 7 teams rated higher?
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Scooter u on fire! Good posts, love the Olympic one.
 
I just find it funny that the old adage is how no one cares about the college basketball regular season and yet it is the most metrics-driven regular season in all of sports.
 
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auror said:
KenPom had us ranked higher in the preseason than now, so more preseason data would help us at this point.
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Why do we or anybody else want so much data from LAST year. Every team is so different year to year in this new era. We've gone down because we havent beaten the predictives. In torivik we were at 2 most of the year and are now at 4. Seems more accurate. Ken Pom is less about who is playing the best right now. Its more of a program rating.
 
UC0NN said:
Michigan is a load offensively, I get that.

Michigan plays hard defensively. But these teams are getting a lot of clean looks against them, Maryland PS WISC. I would imagine we would get clean looks all day and night from what Ive seen.
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You don’t have to imagine. Not one out of conference team has been able to stop our system. Florida barely beat us last year and we had a much inferior team. And Florida was great defensively. We may have an off night, but I have not seen one team that can handle us for 40 minutes
 
Iluvsuebird said:
You don’t have to imagine. Not one out of conference team has been able to stop our system. Florida barely beat us last year and we had a much inferior team. And Florida was great defensively. We may have an off night, but I have not seen one team that can handle us for 40 minutes
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DOOMED!!!
 
Drame said:
Why do we or anybody else want so much data from LAST year. Every team is so different year to year in this new era. We've gone down because we havent beaten the predictives. In torivik we were at 2 most of the year and are now at 4. Seems more accurate. Ken Pom is less about who is playing the best right now. Its more of a program rating.
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Nobody said we wanted it. I was just cheekily suggesting it would help us.

The models keep a little in because it improves the predictiveness. But just a dash at this point.
 
The two most dominant teams in the last 40 years both didnt win the championship. UNLV 91 and Duke 99. UNLV 90 was a great team that won a ring, but not all time dominant.
 
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