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Mention of renewed B12 interest

Just can't find where there is any traction for anybody to take us. Hate to say it, we dance with the first girl that says yes. Right now, the BE is the prettiest girl I've ever seen.
Uconn can win the next three national titles in basketball, win the women's hoops title, make the frozen four in hockey and the CWS in baseball and they still won't be invited to a P4 conference. it is what it is. Enjoy it for now
 
Sounds like folks I know. Anywhere that we don’t have Boston College, Cuse, Wake, Duke, North Carolina is good
 
Recent report suggesting Yormark wants to go 24, with network support.

It’s clear in the larger landscape the BE will be a second hand conference. It will happen slowly over time as these other conferences strengthen and build alliances on the FB end.

Yormark has a vision and is intuitive. He realizes the only way to compete with the B10 and SEC is to get creative, hence the Private Equity Capital. They’re just too far ahead. And to build the hoops brand.

I can foresee a scenario where he wins some hearts on the FB side to gain support on the hoops side. If he fills the next 6 slots with FB brands, perhaps he wins 2 on the hoops end, especially if looking to gain new markets (UConn - NYC).

I’m ok taking a lesser share as long as the promise to build up is there.

If there is a 24 team conference, and 2-4 divisions, could see some synergies with having a grouping like:

NC St
VA Tech
WV
Cinci
Pitt
Uconn

Let’s hope. Long term in BE is bleak if we want to keep a FB program.
 
Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic. If Uconn got a full B12 invite it, they jump on it. Don’t care about the ACC, which had multiple opportunities to add Uconn & didn’t.

As it is, UConn’s top rivals in the Big East are in Wisconsin & Nebraska. So much for geographic rivalries.
UConn’s top “rivals” are not Creighton and Marquette. They are our top competitors. Our top rivals are Villanova, St. John’s and Providence.

Geography (and history) still matter.
 
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Don't trust Yormark
Recent report suggesting Yormark wants to go 24, with network support.

It’s clear in the larger landscape the BE will be a second hand conference. It will happen slowly over time as these other conferences strengthen and build alliances on the FB end.

Yormark has a vision and is intuitive. He realizes the only way to compete with the B10 and SEC is to get creative, hence the Private Equity Capital. They’re just too far ahead. And to build the hoops brand.

I can foresee a scenario where he wins some hearts on the FB side to gain support on the hoops side. If he fills the next 6 slots with FB brands, perhaps he wins 2 on the hoops end, especially if looking to gain new markets (UConn - NYC).

I’m ok taking a lesser share as long as the promise to build up is there.

If there is a 24 team conference, and 2-4 divisions, could see some synergies with having a grouping like:

NC St
VA Tech
WV
Cinci
Pitt
Uconn

Let’s hope. Long term in BE is bleak if we want to keep a FB program.
They will much more likely take other teams from the ACC than UConn. Don't trust Yormark.
 
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“Yormark, listen to me vell. You vill take UConn tonight, take its blueblood…or I vill take your blood. This I command you.”
 
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UConn’s top “rivals” are not Creighton and Marquette. They are our top competitors. Our top rivals are Villanova, St. John’s and Providence.

Geography (and history) still matter.
Ok fair enough. Let me put it this way - I get a lot more hyped for games against Creighton & Marquette than I do for games against the closer geographic BE schools and it’s been that way for a few years. And I would sure be excited to have Kansas, Houston, Iowa St, Arizona, Baylor, Cincy on our BB schedule every year.

Also let’s not forget the ACC has Cal, Stanford & SMU in it now.
 
Ok fair enough. Let me put it this way - I get a lot more hyped for games against Creighton & Marquette than I do for games against the closer geographic BE schools and it’s been that way for a few years. And I would sure be excited to have Kansas, Houston, Iowa St, Arizona, Baylor, Cincy on our BB schedule every year.

Also let’s not forget the ACC has Cal, Stanford & SMU in it now.

I don’t consider PC and St. John’s “rivals”.

I consider the rest of the Big East as a bunch of little brothers. And DePaul is the little bro friend that slept over and never went home.
 
Culturally, UConn has a lot more in common with the ACC than the B12.
Geographically and perhaps because we were mostly on the east coast, yes. Other than that, I think it's the opposite. Of course I had hoped for the ACC due to rivalries and location but I really don't give a crap about it anymore. It doesn't want UConn, and our old rivals appear to be too scared of UConn anyway. They no longer care about a regional rival and our history with them.

I think large state universities are very similar regardless of where they are located, except for maybe a U like Berkeley. The biggest cultural differences would probably come public vs privates.

Big 12 - 13 Pub, 3 Private
ACC - 10 Pub, 8 Private

Here is a post from the cuse board. A fan once in a while will be positive about UConn, but the rest want no part of UConn
This is why UConn is a no brainer to the ACC that people seem to not understand.
"Give them a ND deal and see if they can build FB.

The problem is...can Syracuse, BC and Pitt afford losing some recruits to Yukon in FB?"

 
Don't trust Yormark

They will much more likely take other teams from the ACC than UConn. Don't trust Yormark.
Maybe, likely, one can only hope. They still have Oregon St and Wazzu out there as well, although not sure what either bring to the table as geo outliers and meh at FB.

UConn’s two advantages are hoops and NY/Boston market share. Let’s hope Yormark sees some value in that, as would be something B10 and SeC don’t have.
 
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Don't trust Yormark

They will much more likely take other teams from the ACC than UConn. Don't trust Yormark.
It's not a matter of trusting or not trusting Yormark. Let's face it---they are P4 schools; UConn is not. If they become available, I don't doubt that some of them will be taken first, just like the PAC schools. I just hope that UConn will be included with them.
 
"The problem is...can Syracuse, BC and Pitt afford losing some recruits to Yukon in FB?"
It is actually interesting that not withstanding a a decades worth of ineptitude in football on our part, they still fear us. The even funnier part is that there is no discussion whatsoever on competing with us for basketball recruits. It seems like even they have acknowledged that ship has sailed.
 
Maybe, likely, one can only hope. They still have Oregon St and Wazzu out there as well, although not sure what either bring to the table as geo outliers and meh at FB.

UConn’s two advantages are hoops and NY/Boston market share. Let’s hope Yormark sees some value in that, as would be something B10 and SeC don’t have.
I'd also say brand recognition. We are a known name. That said, I'll believe that we have an invitation to the P4 when it's been announced by both the conference in the school and we're painting new logos on the court.
 
It is actually interesting that not withstanding a a decades worth of ineptitude in football on our part, they still fear us. The even funnier part is that there is no discussion whatsoever on competing with us for basketball recruits. It seems like even they have acknowledged that ship has sailed.
UConn shet in the bed by not keeping up with football when we had the opportunity.

We had positive momentum after RE left, but we decided to hire two of the worst college coaches on the planet in coach P and coach red pants. We followed that up with RE 2.0, which was utter disaster.

If our football averaged 8+ wins a year after RE 1.0, we would easily be in the B12 or the ACC today. As a flagship state university with high academic rankings, why would the B12 pick UCF, Houston, or Cincy over us?

We got nothing but ourselves to blame for years of bad football hiring and the bad timing of being horrible during all the realignment stuff. We controlled our own destiny but shet in the bed with these horrible hires.

Anyone can see we got lots of potential in football. We averaged 36k+ when NCST came into town, but we proceeded to lose that game and many games after that. Out football fans are dying for a winner, but our team simply hasn't delivered.

We simply can't afford another 3 or 4 wins season in football. Mora is the right guy, but he has to deliver right now.
 
It is actually interesting that not withstanding a a decades worth of ineptitude in football on our part, they still fear us. The even funnier part is that there is no discussion whatsoever on competing with us for basketball recruits. It seems like even they have acknowledged that ship has sailed.
For openers, we have a brand that massively exceeds each of theirs. That is one aspect where they each realize they can lose further ground more easily than they can close the gap.

A second issue is that as a state flagship, we do have an advantage is we succeed due to the fact that many (residents of the state where we are the flagship) will align themselves with us even if they have no direct affiliation with the school. We can end up with far more non-alumni fans than they can.

Finally, I believe it shook them to the core a little more than twenty years ago (especially BC) when we nearly beat BC in what was expected to be a cupcake game (bakery is closed) and in our initial games as a member of the BE we split (won the home games, lost the road games) against Cuse and Pitt in our first two seasons as a member of the same conference. We caught up with them far more quickly than anyone would havce anticipated, leaving each to worry that not only were we in a position where we could pass them shortly, but also that our ceiling could be far above each of theirs.

I'm not sure how many from the initial eight years of the Rent are still engaged with the program but anyone who was there at that time did have the belief that we could become a serious player in the world of big time college football. I still believe that it is a possibility.
 
It's not a matter of trusting or not trusting Yormark. Let's face it---they are P4 schools; UConn is not. If they become available, I don't doubt that some of them will be taken first, just like the PAC schools. I just hope that UConn will be included with them.
I hope so too, but it seems like the same scenario keeps repeating itself. Other posters talk about UConn's brand, the NYC DMA, etc. that has been there in the past and it has never been a consideration. I wouldn't be surprised if ESPN tells Yormark to take Cuse and BC. I also think that Cinci, Houston and UCF would all be no votes anyways because of AAC history.
 
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UConn shet in the bed by not keeping up with football when we had the opportunity.

We had positive momentum after RE left, but we decided to hire two of the worst college coaches on the planet in coach P and coach red pants. We followed that up with RE 2.0, which was utter disaster.

If our football averaged 8+ wins a year after RE 1.0, we would easily be in the B12 or the ACC today. As a flagship state university with high academic rankings, why would the B12 pick UCF, Houston, or Cincy over us?

We got nothing but ourselves to blame for years of bad football hiring and the bad timing of being horrible during all the realignment stuff. We controlled our own destiny but shet in the bed with these horrible hires.

Anyone can see we got lots of potential in football. We averaged 36k+ when NCST came into town, but we proceeded to lose that game and many games after that. Out football fans are dying for a winner, but our team simply hasn't delivered.

We simply can't afford another 3 or 4 wins season in football. Mora is the right guy, but he has to deliver right now.
Did UConn average 36,000+ per game over a season, or simply have a crowd of 36,000+ when North Carolina came to the Rent? There's a difference. When N=1 there is no average.
 
It all will come down to whether we can or cannot fix the football program. If it appears that our program will be substantial enough that during down years we will still be somewhat decent (competitive with the bottom of the conference) and during good years will be able to win more games than we lose against P level opponents, we will be very attractive as an expansion candidate. If the concern remains that we won't be competitive at all (basically what we've been the bulk of the past eight years), they'll be afraid to touch us.
 
For openers, we have a brand that massively exceeds each of theirs. That is one aspect where they each realize they can lose further ground more easily than they can close the gap.

A second issue is that as a state flagship, we do have an advantage is we succeed due to the fact that many (residents of the state where we are the flagship) will align themselves with us even if they have no direct affiliation with the school. We can end up with far more non-alumni fans than they can.

Finally, I believe it shook them to the core a little more than twenty years ago (especially BC) when we nearly beat BC in what was expected to be a cupcake game (bakery is closed) and in our initial games as a member of the BE we split (won the home games, lost the road games) against Cuse and Pitt in our first two seasons as a member of the same conference. We caught up with them far more quickly than anyone would havce anticipated, leaving each to worry that not only were we in a position where we could pass them shortly, but also that our ceiling could be far above each of theirs.

I'm not sure how many from the initial eight years of the Rent are still engaged with the program but anyone who was there at that time did have the belief that we could become a serious player in the world of big time college football. I still believe that it is a possibility.
More precisely, UConn has a basketball brand, and deservedly so. In the world of college football, UConn's brand rivals that of Ipana toothpaste, Oldsmobile, and Sears and Roebuck -- also deservedly so.
 
Did UConn average 36,000+ per game over a season, or simply have a crowd of 36,000+ when North Carolina came to the Rent? There's a difference. When N=1 there is no average.
It's one game when we had some positive momentum. It was a highly anticipated game, and we choked. Had UConn continue to win after that game, we would have attracted bigger crowd.

The reason UCF, Cincy, and Houston are in the B12 today is because they won right before the realignment saga while UConn did not.

The point is winning football games is within UConn's control to a certain extend, and we simply haven't delivered on the field.
 
More precisely, UConn has a basketball brand, and deservedly so. In the world of college football, UConn's brand rivals that of Ipana toothpaste, Oldsmobile, and Sears and Roebuck -- also deservedly so.
The board's one BC lurker immediately swoops in to make an attempt to minimize UConn's overall brand. This is valid evidence that BC nation (perhaps county would be a more accurate label considering their minimal reach) has concerns that we can completely eclipse them.
 
The board's one BC lurker immediately swoops in to make an attempt to minimize UConn's overall brand. This is valid evidence that BC nation (perhaps county would be a more accurate label considering their minimal reach) has concerns that we can completely eclipse them.
County might be stretching it; maybe community.
 
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