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Mention of renewed B12 interest

Kolumbo said:
Basketball only is not happening but to play along:
1. UConn should only do it with a guarantee football is coming along at a near future date. We still play D1 football, it's a package deal.
2. Kansas, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Cincy, Houston, WVU, Okie State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor, BYU - that slate should not be overlooked as a long term play. Pitt and Louisville could be in the mix too. CR#1 says Temple. :cool:
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to play along with your play along:

1) could you expand on this? what is a guarantee, to bring us in? I feel like in a bb-only offer, there is no guarantee for FB. if there was a guarantee, you could just bring us in now. I think more likely than a "guarantee later" situation, UConn would probably be better off coming in at a reduced or even $0 revenue share for football. I'd think dave benedict could get creative and get them to allow us to keep our income streams (equivalent money that we get from current CBS sports contract, which would have to be bought out i assume), while also getting us just enough money to cover the additional overhead for travel etc., which should still be low enough money for the Big 12 teams to agree (for a pre-determined amount of time). So, ultimately we play with the big boys and make just enough money to not bleed out financially, but we get none of the riches until....later.

with regard to our coaching salaries & NIL, that's where it breaks down - there's probably no moeny left for that and we have to figure it out on our own, unitl we're full members.... which we're doing right now anyway!
 
Kolumbo said:
XII needs to do this:
UConn
USF
OSU
WSU
It results in basically a merger of the Big 12 plus half PAC 12 and half Old BE. You stretch to the 4 corners of the country. There's your conference, that's your conference. XX
If/when ACC implodes, bring in Pitt & Louisville at worst.
Very competitive top to bottom.
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My guess is that is plan C. Might not pull the trigger until the FSU/Clem drama is complete.
 
DMTCYNAW said:
to play along with your play along:

1) could you expand on this? what is a guarantee, to bring us in? I feel like in a bb-only offer, there is no guarantee for FB. if there was a guarantee, you could just bring us in now. I think more likely than a "guarantee later" situation, UConn would probably be better off coming in at a reduced or even $0 revenue share for football. I'd think dave benedict could get creative and get them to allow us to keep our income streams (equivalent money that we get from current CBS sports contract, which would have to be bought out i assume), while also getting us just enough money to cover the additional overhead for travel etc., which should still be low enough money for the Big 12 teams to agree (for a pre-determined amount of time). So, ultimately we play with the big boys and make just enough money to not bleed out financially, but we get none of the riches until....later.

with regard to our coaching salaries & NIL, that's where it breaks down - there's probably no moeny left for that and we have to figure it out on our own, unitl we're full members.... which we're doing right now anyway!
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I agree with this. My thinking is Yormark likes our hoops. The Big 12 hates our football. They really hate us. Taking football later may be a foot in the door but I just don't see a full invitation any time soon.
 
I just don’t get how a conference with FSU, Clemson, and ND (scheduling alliance) added to NC state, VT, and Miami can’t compete with Big 12 for media $’s.
So much so, FSU will pay $200M for the oppty to join a conference the peer schools they are chasing just left.

Clemson and FsU aren’t going to Big 12 is my hunch.
 
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uconnyankee said:
I just don’t get how a conference with FSU, Clemson, and ND (scheduling alliance) added to NC state, VT, and Miami can’t compete with Big 12 for media $’s.
So much so, FSU will pay $200M for the oppty to join a conference the peer schools they are chasing just left.

Clemson and FsU aren’t going to Big 12 is my hunch.
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The problem with the ACC is their lower half of schools (Wake, BC, Syracuse, Duke, etc.) bring in less eyeballs than the lower half of the Big12.
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
The problem with the ACC is their lower half of schools (Wake, BC, Syracuse, Duke, etc.) bring in less eyeballs than the lower half of the Big12.
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I'd like to see a comparison of Cuse vs say UCF, Duke vs Kansas, BC vs WVU or Wake vs Iowa St. I'm not sure the number of eyeballs is all that different there.

Yes, FSU and Clemson are trump cards (far more due to football performance than anything else, including brand attraction, which is part of the issue) but moving them from the ACC to the B-12 won't be cost effective unless somehow they can convince another half dozen plus schools to make a lateral move solely for the purpose of destroying the ACC. I don't see this as likely.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I'd like to see a comparison of Cuse vs say UCF, Duke vs Kansas, BC vs WVU or Wake vs Iowa St. I'm not sure the number of eyeballs is all that different there.

Yes, FSU and Clemson are trump cards (far more due to football performance than anything else, including brand attraction, which is part of the issue) but moving them from the ACC to the B-12 won't be cost effective unless somehow they can convince another half dozen plus schools to make a lateral move solely for the purpose of destroying the ACC. I don't see this as likely.
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This is one longitudinal study

sicem365.com

How Many Viewers Did Your NCAA Team Attract?

We take a look at EVERY FBS team and also compare league by league! Who's the top ten in viewership? How do the ACC schools rank relative to each other? How big a boost does Alabama give the SEC West? It's all inside.
sicem365.com sicem365.com

Lots of ins and outs/puts and takes. Not sure if there's other data out there that focuses on the last say 5 years?

If you take out FSU and Clemson from the ACC, it just seems like there is more passion for football amongst the "average" B12 fan base than the ACC's. Plus, the ACC's media deal really is a bit wonky. This creates instability. The reality of the Magnificent 7 schools coming out publicly is certainly a signal that the upper tier ACC schools are unhappy and worried about being left behind.
 
Kolumbo said:
I agree with this. My thinking is Yormark likes our hoops. The Big 12 hates our football. They really hate us. Taking football later may be a foot in the door but I just don't see a full invitation any time soon.
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But do they love our hoops more than they hate our football? UConn hoops right now and what it brings, including entire northeast corridor from NYC to Boston would be a grand slam for the Big 12. Football is more a ground out double play. However, if the Big 12 has the foresight to see our commitment to sports can surely visualize football hitting singles and doubles sometime soon.
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
The problem with the ACC is their lower half of schools (Wake, BC, Syracuse, Duke, etc.) bring in less eyeballs than the lower half of the Big12.
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If they want to keep the ACC together they may need to consider tiered payments to member schools combined with performance payouts.
 
uconnyankee said:
I just don’t get how a conference with FSU, Clemson, and ND (scheduling alliance) added to NC state, VT, and Miami can’t compete with Big 12 for media $’s.
So much so, FSU will pay $200M for the oppty to join a conference the peer schools they are chasing just left.

Clemson and FsU aren’t going to Big 12 is my hunch.
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I may be mistaken. I figured the ACC could compete for media dollars, but it is espn which has the ACC by the cajones. ESPN isn't going to pay more than it has to because it has the GOR locking everyone in.
 
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hank970 said:
Why does anyone think that the B12 would invite UConn for basketball only?
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Why aren't you reorganizing your string collection right now?
 
Stinger92860 said:
If they want to keep the ACC together they may need to consider tiered payments to member schools combined with performance payouts.
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I believe that the Magnificent 7 tried to get tiered payments and it was a no-go. I think they got a few performance payouts, but that was it.

I found the story:

www.nytimes.com

ACC to reward schools for success in revenue-generating postseasons

Details of how the incentives will be determined were not released but 'will be solidified in the coming months,' the ACC said.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
DMTCYNAW said:
1) could you expand on this? what is a guarantee, to bring us in? I feel like in a bb-only offer, there is no guarantee for FB. if there was a guarantee, you could just bring us in now. I think more likely than a "guarantee later" situation, UConn would probably be better off coming in at a reduced or even $0 revenue share for football.
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I don't think it's forthcoming, but I could see a theoretical degree of a future admission if certain goals were met, say a minimal amount of success on the field and perhaps the addition of an on-campus stadium. The benefit to Connecticut is in eventual admission to the club. The benefit to the conference would be that whatever additional revenue streams Connecticut would bring into the conference could be distributed to other members during the transition period. This is essentially the SMU deal.

If you assume that basketball is worth 20% of a conferences total media revenue, which is debatable, but is the current standard being used, then if say the big 12 had a $35 million media contract and further say that their television partners were willing to pay a full share for Connecticut, which is probably unlikely, then Connecticut would keep $7 million and the conference would have an additional $28 million to distribute among other members as it saw fit. $7 million is essentially a push with the new big east TV deal, so that probably isn't high enough as a standalone to cause them to move conferences. If, on the other hand they got a share of college football playoff money, which I think is currently about 15 million, they would certainly take that, but I don't think SMU is getting a share. a combined 22 million to the school with a guaranteed slot say five years out we would likely take it.

The real question is with the big 12 offer it, and the answer is probably not. In theory the benefit to them is access to the New York DMA, access to the Hartford Connecticut DMA, a better East Coast presence, bringing on a proven champion, and arguably the best team in men's college basketball over the last quarter century, bringing on a proven champion and inarguably lead the best team in women's basketball over the last quarter century and in additional $140M to be distributed among conference members, perhaps unequally, over five years ($35M x .80 x 5).

Again, I don't think this is realistic I am just playing the hypothetical game with you. We would help our argument considerably if we stopped being historically bad at football.
 
CL82 said:
In theory the benefit to them is access to the New York DMA, access to the Hartford Connecticut DMA, a better East Coast presence, bringing on a proven champion, and arguably the best team in men's college basketball over the last quarter century, bringing on a proven champion and inarguably lead the best team in women's basketball over the last quarter century and in additional $140M to be distributed among conference members, perhaps unequally, over five years ($35M x .80 x 5).
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Solid post @CL82. The only gripe I have is that the B12 may be thinking they don't need the NY DMA as it's not considered to be a hotbed for college football eyes (NFL is another story). In terms of college basketball eyes, yeah, it's a big market (we pack MSG well too), but B12 alumni in the metro area would watch BBall with or without UConn...pulling in UConn to the conference maybe gets them some additive viewers, but I'm not convinced that they are convinced enough to sway them to add us yanks to the rodeo.
 
KryHavok said:
Solid post @CL82. The only gripe I have is that the B12 may be thinking they don't need the NY DMA as it's not considered to be a hotbed for college football eyes (NFL is another story). In terms of college basketball eyes, yeah, it's a big market (we pack MSG well too), but B12 alumni in the metro area would watch BBall with or without UConn...pulling in UConn to the conference maybe gets them some additive viewers, but I'm not convinced that they are convinced enough to sway them to add us yanks to the rodeo.
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What may or may not be of interest to B12 University presidents is more access to high performing high school students with less need for academic scholarship money. With the looming decreased student demographics coming, some university presidents may view NE markets more favorably than they used to. UConn needs to play that card as well as any (biomed, etc.) research links and other aspects UConn can bring that go beyond the gridiron.
 
KryHavok said:
Solid post @CL82. The only gripe I have is that the B12 may be thinking they don't need the NY DMA as it's not considered to be a hotbed for college football eyes (NFL is another story). In terms of college basketball eyes, yeah, it's a big market (we pack MSG well too), but B12 alumni in the metro area would watch BBall with or without UConn...pulling in UConn to the conference maybe gets them some additive viewers, but I'm not convinced that they are convinced enough to sway them to add us yanks to the rodeo.
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It's not that they are adding "us Yanks" to the rodeo; they are adding the 6-time national champion UConn Huskies. In conference, out of conference, people will watch to root for or against us. We're a national brand.

We also raise their academic profile as a top twenty public university.
 
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Samoo said:
It's not that they are adding "us Yanks" to the rodeo; they are adding the 6-time national champion UConn Huskies. In conference, out of conference, people will watch to root for or against us. We're a national brand.

We also raise their academic profile as a top twenty public university.
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Five natys didn't convince the B12 to add us, and after the 6th men's naty...crickets. They don't care about the basketball profile we bring otherwise there would be "XII" instead of "Big East" on our athletes' uniforms. They easily gloss over that during the RE1 era, UConn was decent, so it's not like we are abysmal basement dwellers. I won't dispute that people watch UConn to root against us and that we're a national brand as well as a top public uni. These are honorifics that sooth our soul and stroke our ego but do little to impact university presidents who myopically only think of pigskin prowess. To me, they don't care what we are, they only care that we sucked in a major sport for a decade...that stench don't wash off easily.
 
KryHavok said:
Solid post @CL82. The only gripe I have is that the B12 may be thinking they don't need the NY DMA as it's not considered to be a hotbed for college football eyes (NFL is another story). In terms of college basketball eyes, yeah, it's a big market (we pack MSG well too), but B12 alumni in the metro area would watch BBall with or without UConn...pulling in UConn to the conference maybe gets them some additive viewers, but I'm not convinced that they are convinced enough to sway them to add us yanks to the rodeo.
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but big 12 doesn't play in NY right now - that's the piece i think you're missing. if they get Storrs South into the conference, then i wonder if that will be the catalyst for MSG to drop Big East and flip the tournament to Big 12. if they find away to lure nova, gtown, st johns and marquette to B12 for basketball, then that immediately flips the script away from a Big East MSG tournament, to Big 12. Maybe uconn alone is enough to flip it.

idk just theorizing.
 
DMTCYNAW said:
but big 12 doesn't play in NY right now - that's the piece i think you're missing. if they get Storrs South into the conference, then i wonder if that will be the catalyst for MSG to drop Big East and flip the tournament to Big 12. if they find away to lure nova, gtown, st johns and marquette to B12 for basketball, then that immediately flips the script away from a Big East MSG tournament, to Big 12. Maybe uconn alone is enough to flip it.

idk just theorizing.
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Not missing it at all mate (wish I was and that it was that simple), and neither apparently is the B12. They doubled down on their southwest presence in taking AZ, ASU, UU, and CU. We, and by extension the NY market, have been available to them for practically a decade. Recall their supposed interest in UConn dating back to 2016. If 8 years and 2 BBall championships (3 if considering UConn was just 2 years removed from the 2014 title) weren't enough time and incentive to seal the deal, then it would take an act of Gozer the Gozerian to put the fear of not taking us to finally make them take us. Maybe some football wins would help sway me back to a glimmer of hope...I'm still convalescing from Italy's dismal Euros. :confused:
 
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The B12 does not excite me.

UConn should chill on the B12 and see how the ACC shakes out.

Geographic rivalries are good. The B12 offers few. The ACC would offer many. I am happy to tread water in the Big East.
 
Just can't find where there is any traction for anybody to take us. Hate to say it, we dance with the first girl that says yes. Right now, the BE is the prettiest girl I've ever seen.
 
ZooCougar said:
I’d rather join the Big 12, get paid and watch what’s left of the ACC get dragged.
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One problem with your position; if UConn joins the Big 12 then it would likely be contractually prohibited from joining the geographically favorable
ACC leftovers.
 
Bobol said:
One problem with your position; if UConn joins the Big 12 then it would likely be contractually prohibited from joining the geographically favorable
ACC leftovers.
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Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic. If Uconn got a full B12 invite it, they jump on it. Don’t care about the ACC, which had multiple opportunities to add Uconn & didn’t.

As it is, UConn’s top rivals in the Big East are in Wisconsin & Nebraska. So much for geographic rivalries.
 
Bobol said:
One problem with your position; if UConn joins the Big 12 then it would likely be contractually prohibited from joining the geographically favorable
ACC leftovers.
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That's a great problem to have
A. If UConn joins the Big 12 the Big 12 instantly becomes the place to be (#3 of Damone's 5 point plan)
B. If the ACC then has leftovers, it means they're screwed

 
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