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You're the voice of reason? Completely unfounded? I think it's totally founded. I agree with Chin. This was a decision that couldn't be made in the spring?

P said the other day he was still in the mix for QB. My take based on what I read was that he was moved to WR as punishment for showing up grossly over weight with the thought that the running reps would help him shed a few pounds.

I don't understand how someone who is as bright as Scott seemed to be out of touch with the off season conditioning program, the whole story is very strange.
 

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P said the other day he was still in the mix for QB. My take based on what I read was that he was moved to WR as punishment for showing up grossly over weight with the thought that the running reps would help him shed a few pounds.

I don't understand how someone who is as bright as Scott seemed to be out of touch with the off season conditioning program, the whole story is very strange.

I'm guessing he felt he was out of the mix at QB and was discouraged, so didn't put energy into training.

All the more reason to talk frankly to him in the spring and choose a course for the fall at that time. He needed to know what his path to the field was then. Or to transfer, if that was his preference. We could have made room for one of the greyshirts if he had left.
 

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Just to spread this thread even more thin.

When McCummings showed up to spring ball at 240lbs the coaching and conditioning staff should have given Scott a detailed diet and workout regimen that would allow him to safely lose weight and show up to fall ball ready to go.
And they should have had weekly weigh-ins and reports sent from the medical/conditioning staff to the coaching staff. The QB coach should also have been having weekly progress meetings with McCummings.
Bottom line is there isn't any valid excuse for him showing up to camp that much out of shape and the other coaching staff being ignorant of hos conditioning.
 
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Just to spread this thread even more thin.

When McCummings showed up to spring ball at 240lbs the coaching and conditioning staff should have given Scott a detailed diet and workout regimen that would allow him to safely lose weight and show up to fall ball ready to go.
And they should have had weekly weigh-ins and reports sent from the medical/conditioning staff to the coaching staff. The QB coach should also have been having weekly progress meetings with McCummings.
Bottom line is there isn't any valid excuse for him showing up to camp that much out of shape and the other coaching staff being ignorant of hos conditioning.

The odds are that they did all that you mentioned, but if the kid does not participate in summer training on campus there is no way to track his progress. There is a very fine line in regards to what communication can happen between coach and player after Spring ball and they are not even supposed to watch team workouts and drills during the summer. Safe to say his position coach was not making weekly calls to track workout progress at home.

he did not win the starting job and it is likley his role in the IWldcat would diminish with the new OC. There was probably not a lot of urgency or motivation on his end to stay in peak shape (or even workout it seems) during spring ball and the summer. Players respond differently to these types of decisions and they all do not have the same committments.

NFL players show up to camp out of shape all the time without coaches being aware of the situation. And these are players fighting for jobs to continue their livelihoods.
 

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The odds are that they did all that you mentioned, but if the kid does not participate in summer training on campus there is no way to track his progress. There is a very fine line in regards to what communication can happen between coach and player after Spring ball and they are not even supposed to watch team workouts and drills during the summer. Safe to say his position coach was not making weekly calls to track workout progress at home.

he did not win the starting job and it is likley his role in the IWldcat would diminish with the new OC. There was probably not a lot of urgency or motivation on his end to stay in peak shape (or even workout it seems) during spring ball and the summer. Players respond differently to these types of decisions and they all do not have the same committments.

NFL players show up to camp out of shape all the time without coaches being aware of the situation. And these are players fighting for jobs to continue their livelihoods.


You are correct about the coaches not being allowed to have much contact.

I lesser known secret is that the strength and conditioning coaches have more consistent contact with the players than most of the coaching staff and are less regulated in the off-season. Strength and conditioning coaches can be sounding boards, mentors, etc when the position coaches aren't allowed direct contact. Also, the S&C staff can view and report to the coaches which players are going all out and who's mailing it in. Finally, they can see who is stepping up as leaders within the locker room.


And for an out of shape player, you frame the situation as a medical issue, not a football issue. That allows for more follow-ups. You work the medical and NCAA system to your advantage. And you do it correctly with the goal of rehabilitating the player and getting them in to the best position to succeed come fall practice.
 
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Based on your expert hackery from reading a website, that must be it.

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Gee, did your mommy forget to put your snack in your lunch box? Fat, out of shape, sudden movements not previously done in any type of volume - nah, couldn't have had anything to do with it.
 

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P said the other day he was still in the mix for QB. My take based on what I read was that he was moved to WR as punishment...

Out for the season, I guess they showed him...
 
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This whole thing is mind boggling. If he showed up that out of shape (30 lbs. or so) he should not have been allowed to participate in football drills. Ride the bike or jog around the field.

McCummings is the ultimate one to blame, but add this to the pile of stuff that I believe the staff mishandled.
 
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You guys do know that any contact between player and coaching staff from the exit meeting of spring practice to the opening day of fall camp is an expressly noted NCAA violation?

The staff mishandled? WTF???

McCummings had access to all the same trainers and training regimen that every other athlete on this roster had from end of spring camp til weigh in day last week.

You guys will just find anything to bitch and complain about. The player is out with an injury. The funny thing, is that as much as the player contributed in the past 2 seasons, instead of focusing on how different our roster is, and how this player going down, would have been catastrophic at this point last year or a 2 years ago, it's really, almost no impact at all right now on our roster. And is really going to be a true test for the player, as to where his future lies, and I hope he embraces it, overcomes it, and is better off in the long run because of it. That's just one way to look at the situation.

I don't know who it was that was posting how psyched they were for the season lately. Positive energy. It feels god damn good that the season is up and running, and the positive outlook around here, seems to have lasted all of about 48 hours.

This is not day camp at the YMCA. We are gearing up to play Maryland, Michigan, Louisville, et. al.

Those of you that do have an inkling of medical knowledge, and an ounce of knowledge as to what goes into this sport, I believe know exactly what happened here. When you play football at the highest level of intensity and competition that there is, people get hurt and injured, and if you're not conditioned, it happens more often, and worse. It's part of the game.

The reality, is that if McCummings were in shape, and blew out an acchilles tendon, the red flags would go way up that he was juicing. But that's not the case.

Riding a bike to get in shape? Should have given him a special conditioning plan apart from the rest of the team? 4 weeks from opening day???? Showing up to training camp as a scholarship athlete, with the schedule we've got coming, and the coaching staff should put you on the bike, to get in shape? - while the rest of team is repping in practice.....? F(CK that.

The kid showed up out of shape, was asked to perform as a scholarship athlete, in activities that he most certainly did in the past (I cannot believe what I read here - the guy was a primary runner on offense) and almost immediately blew out a tendon. If I had a dime for every time something like that happens in football, especially for the gym warriors and juicers that don't condition right and natural, at any level of football, I'd be able to pay for the new scoreboard. It's actually more common for juicers to get an injury like this, but it's pretty safe to say that wasn't the case with this player.


I guarantee there are posters around here, that are just lying around and waiting to suck off the energy around here, at the first hint of any adversity in this season. I'm tired of it. Energy suckers. Check you later.
 
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You guys do know that any contact between player and coaching staff from the exit meeting of spring practice to the opening day of fall camp is an expressly noted NCAA violation?

The staff mishandled? WTF???

McCummings had access to all the same trainers and training regimen that every other athlete on this roster had from end of spring camp til weigh in day last week.

You guys will just find anything to bitch and complain about. The player is out with an injury. The funny thing, is that as much as the player contributed in the past 2 seasons, instead of focusing on how different our roster is, and how this player going down, would have been catastrophic at this point last year or a 2 years ago, it's really, almost no impact at all right now on our roster. And is really going to be a true test for the player, as to where his future lies, and I hope he embraces it, overcomes it, and is better off in the long run because of it. That's just one way to look at the situation.

I don't know who it was that was posting how psyched they were for the season lately. Positive energy. It feels god damn good that the season is up and running, and the positive outlook around here, seems to have lasted all of about 48 hours.

This is not day camp at the YMCA. We are gearing up to play Maryland, Michigan, Louisville, et. al.

Those of you that do have an inkling of medical knowledge, and an ounce of knowledge as to what goes into this sport, I believe know exactly what happened here. When you play football at the highest level of intensity and competition that there is, people get hurt and injured, and if you're not conditioned, it happens more often, and worse. It's part of the game.

The reality, is that if McCummings were in shape, and blew out an acchilles tendon, the red flags would go way up that he was juicing. But that's not the case.

Riding a bike to get in shape? Should have given him a special conditioning plan apart from the rest of the team? 4 weeks from opening day???? Showing up to training camp as a scholarship athlete, with the schedule we've got coming, and the coaching staff should put you on the bike, to get in shape? - while the rest of team is repping in practice.....? F(CK that.

The kid showed up out of shape, was asked to perform as a scholarship athlete, in activities that he most certainly did in the past (I cannot believe what I read here - the guy was a primary runner on offense) and almost immediately blew out a tendon. If I had a dime for every time something like that happens in football, especially for the gym warriors and juicers that don't condition right and natural, at any level of football, I'd be able to pay for the new scoreboard. It's actually more common for juicers to get an injury like this, but it's pretty safe to say that wasn't the case with this player.


I guarantee there are posters around here, that are just lying around and waiting to suck off the energy around here, at the first hint of any adversity in this season. I'm tired of it. Energy suckers. Check you later.

Seriously, will you stop with this nonsense?
 
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Gee, did your mommy forget to put your snack in your lunch box? Fat, out of shape, sudden movements not previously done in any type of volume - nah, couldn't have had anything to do with it.

I play pickup basketball every week with a bunch of fat, really out of shape folks way older than McCummings. I have yet to see the inevitable(according to you) popped achilles. The fact is that these things are tragically random. Ascribing a little gained weight or any one particular factor is ridiculous.
 
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I play pickup basketball every week with a bunch of fat, really out of shape folks way older than McCummings. I have yet to see the inevitable(according to you) popped achilles. The fact is that these things are tragically random. Ascribing a little gained weight or any one particular factor is ridiculous.

Jesus. We have weekend warrior pickup basketball players chiming in as subject matter experts.

Being overweight increases your risk of tearing your Achilles. So say actual doctors. Is it why SM tore his? Who knows?
 
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Jesus. We have weekend warrior pickup basketball players chiming in as subject matter experts.

Being overweight increases your risk of tearing your Achilles. So say actual doctors. Is it why SM tore his? Who knows?

My point was not that I know definitively that it DIDN'T contribute. My point is that saying that there is a direct link in one particular case as Husky68 did is meaningless and pointless and many other "less's"
 

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This thread needs to end. Seriously.

A UConn student-athlete got hurt. Normally, the appropriate response is to wish the young man (or woman) a speedy recovery, and to get on with your life. To blame the young man for getting injured, as if he actually desired to get injured, is at best classless and at worst disgusting.

Let's get back to talking about UConn, please...
 
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This whole thing is mind boggling. If he showed up that out of shape (30 lbs. or so) he should not have been allowed to participate in football drills. Ride the bike or jog around the field.

McCummings is the ultimate one to blame, but add this to the pile of stuff that I believe the staff mishandled.?
The staff handled it brilliantly from not bad mouthing him in public to getting him to be conditioned and dangling the carrot in from of him that he would be playing as a wr. What was mishandled
 
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I play pickup basketball every week with a bunch of fat, really out of shape folks way older than McCummings. I have yet to see the inevitable(according to you) popped achilles. The fact is that these things are tragically random. Ascribing a little gained weight or any one particular factor is ridiculous.

Interesting how you argue points made up by you. "inevitable(according to you)". ok reading challenged person - quote where in my posts that statement was made. I would expect you and the bunch of fat guys that play pickup ball have not seen a "sudden movement" in quite some time.
 

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Good read and a stand up guy.

No qualms from me.

He's a kid who realizes he didn't take full advantage of the opportunity when he had it but wants to move on and grow from it. He's not blaming anyone else or looking for excuses. Good enough for me. Still has his whole life in front of him.
 

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Good kid.

Sometimes it would be nice if you could give extra years of eligibility to kids who are finding their way. I wonder if the best position on the field for McCummings might be center. He's 6'3" and looking at his frame with a few years of dedicated weight training he could get up to a lean 280. He would be very mobile for an o-lineman and with his dexterity with the ball he could probably snap and do other things well. But I don't think he has enough time left to learn a major position switch like that.
 
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