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Only troubling thing I see in the Materials is in the Due Diligence, pg 22, Subsidies. That increasing number is awfully scary and shows as we've discussed that current spending is almost assuredly not feasible long-term. We needed this B12 conference invitation.
 
shizzle787 said:
More like we will never go down period.
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More like our head is being forcefully held under water by the program's who don't want to see a program with true potential taking their piece of the pie.
 
Not just Baylor and Notre Dame, but also Pittsburgh, Louisville, Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana (I think?) among others that are in the P5. The notion that we aren't P5 CFB worthy is ridiculous since we've been beating those teams over the past decade. Granted not at a great clip, but for a school that just made the transition to the same division as those schools not that long ago, a .350-ish winning percentage isn't terrible. What is the typical conference bottom dweller, or even teams in the lower third of a conference, winning percentage against P5 teams?
 
auror said:
Only troubling thing I see in the Materials is in the Due Diligence, pg 22, Subsidies. That increasing number is awfully scary and shows as we've discussed that current spending is almost assuredly not feasible long-term. We needed this B12 conference invitation.
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Or one from someone else -- very, very soon. Unfortunately, I do not think either of them need us right now.
 
BUConn10 said:
More like our head is being forcefully held under water by the program's who don't want to see a program with true potential taking their piece of the pie.
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Mark my words, they will get their comeuppance when the networks tell the B1G we aren't paying Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, etc. $50M/year. Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, sure, the other schools no way. When the TV dollars start drying up, it's going to be every school for themselves since you know the schools at the top aren't going to be willing to take a pay cut just because 3/4 of their conference mates in these conferences are virtually worthless.
 
Little Susie doesn't really care for athletics, she only wants UConn to be good academics. Egghead likes her booky-wook.;)
 
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The Greatest Moments video was pretty awesome but the Academics one sure makes me proud to have UConn as my alma mater. The level of investment in that school is amazing and I'm very jealous I'm not a student now. Very proud of our school and only hope that things continue up both academically and athletically.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
Mark my words, they will get their comeuppance when the networks tell the B1G we aren't paying Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, etc. $50M/year. Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, sure, the other schools no way. When the TV dollars start drying up, it's going to be every school for themselves since you know the schools at the top aren't going to be willing to take a pay cut just because 3/4 of their conference mates in these conferences are virtually worthless.
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But that'll never happen? The system is one in which once you're in you're in for good. The decision was made and the contracts were signed, there's really no changing minds anymore. Which adds to the problem, unworthy schools based on the standards we are being held at have been grandfathered into this system of those who "get" to play big time college athletics and those who do not will never really need to worry about competing, they've hit the mother load. Meanwhile they also have zero incentive or motivation to care or feel empathy for those who are deserving left on the outside, and ironically they are the ones who have the power to create change in conference landscapes.
 
I would have redacted the lawsuit info before releasing this material to the public.
 
Standing in the Hall of Fame....you bet your a#$ we are!!!
 
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BUConn10 said:
But that'll never happen? The system is one in which once you're in you're in for good. The decision was made and the contracts were signed, there's really no changing minds anymore. Which adds to the problem, unworthy schools based on the standards we are being held at have been grandfathered into this system of those who "get" to play big time college athletics and those who do not will never really need to worry about competing, they've hit the mother load. Meanwhile they also have zero incentive or motivation to care or feel empathy for those who are deserving left on the outside, and ironically they are the ones who have the power to create change in conference landscapes.
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I'm not sure that will end up being true. Don't be surprised if some schools get paid to go away and compete at a level where they can have success.

At some point it's going to be very difficult for Clemson and FSU to subsidize say Wake Forest and still grow their top line.
 
whaler11 said:
I'm not sure that will end up being true. Don't be surprised if some schools get paid to go away and compete at a level where they can have success.

At some point it's going to be very difficult for Clemson and FSU to subsidize say Wake Forest and still grow their top line.
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Not the point of this thread but what is the number that gets a WF to walk away? Hmm.
 
CTMike said:
Not the point of this thread but what is the number that gets a WF to walk away? Hmm.
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I imagine it looks like the kind of deal the ABA teams got from the NBA.

Some sort of long term rights indexed to what the league's media revenues are.

Now the Spirits of St Louis will be in the back of the minds of everyone in this situation, but if they have to
go OTT when the cable money dries up and Clemson can bring 200k subs and Wake can bring 10k - so is it sustainable?
 
whaler11 said:
I'm not sure that will end up being true. Don't be surprised if some schools get paid to go away and compete at a level where they can have success.

At some point it's going to be very difficult for Clemson and FSU to subsidize say Wake Forest and still grow their top line.
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That was my point. I'm assuming it's a zero sum game - Wake Forest's gain is FSU's loss. Eventually FSU will grow tired of such an arrangement as will the handful of schools in each P5 conference in the same position of supporting the freeloaders. Greed will breed contempt, and that will be the end of the current system and alignments. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because each TV contract has been bigger than the last. That gravy train is not sustainable forever, at least not in its current configuration, and that's when it will get interesting.
 
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whaler11 said:
I imagine it looks like the kind of deal the ABA teams got from the NBA.

Some sort of long term rights indexed to what the league's media revenues are.

Now the Spirits of St Louis will be in the back of the minds of everyone in this situation, but if they have to
go OTT when the cable money dries up and Clemson can bring 200k subs and Wake can bring 10k - so is it sustainable?
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It's just another bubble. I'm praying for the day that we go back to 10-12 team regional conferences.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
That was my point. I'm assuming it's a zero sum game - Wake Forest's gain is FSU's loss. Eventually FSU will grow tired of such an arrangement as will the handful of schools in each P5 conference in the same position of supporting the freeloaders. Greed will breed contempt, and that will be the end of the current system and alignments. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because each TV contract has been bigger than the last. That gravy train is not sustainable forever, at least not in its current configuration, and that's when it will get interesting.
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I missed the question mark at the end of your first sentence.

It is going to get interesting
 
JMick said:
It's just another bubble. I'm praying for the day that we go back to 10-12 team regional conferences.
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That's one of the results of the reset that comes eventually when the top 20-30 money schools break away to keep 100% of the pie to themselves. The arms race will effectively be over for everyone else regardless of conference affiliation, and the most corrupt faction of college athletics will finally go off and do their own thing as a legit minor league.
 
whaler11 said:
I imagine it looks like the kind of deal the ABA teams got from the NBA.

Some sort of long term rights indexed to what the league's media revenues are.

Now the Spirits of St Louis will be in the back of the minds of everyone in this situation, but if they have to
go OTT when the cable money dries up and Clemson can bring 200k subs and Wake can bring 10k - so is it sustainable?
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I think there's only one group of schools that walked away from the revenue of high level college athletics willingly. That was the Ivy League, whose graduates run the Supreme Court, the Federal Reserve, the White House, and can raise more alumni donations in a lazy afternoon than most schools can raise in a year.
 
Seriously, how much longer can ESPN throw billions at the NFL and NBA? Throw in college sports, MLB and whatever other live TV they have. The declining NFL ratings has been well documented and maybe its just a blip but obviously cord cutting is very real.
 
junglehusky said:
I think there's only one group of schools that walked away from the revenue of high level college athletics willingly. That was the Ivy League, whose graduates run the Supreme Court, the Federal Reserve, the White House, and can raise more alumni donations in a lazy afternoon than most schools can raise in a year.
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Totally understood.

I think that a Wake Forest or Boston College as examples might be looking at a situation where they can either litigate to stay or take money to join a league where they can compete. Not like the Ivies but at like an AAC/MWC level.

I'm not saying it will happen, but when the cable boat is taking on water - it's hard to see Florida State being benevolent and subsidizing others when they generate 20x+ more revenue in a more direct model.
 
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Robertelamin said:
Seriously, how much longer can ESPN throw billions at the NFL and NBA? Throw in college sports, MLB and whatever other live TV they have. The declining NFL ratings has been well documented and maybe its just a blip but obviously cord cutting is very real.
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The NFL ratings are puzzling. It's not like cord cutting can explain Sunday night ratings. If anything it should improve them relative to baseball games on FS1.

One of the crazier stats I've seen lately is the decline at fanduel and draftkings. Their daily unique users are down like 80% y/y.

The NFL, NBA and MLB are going
to realize how hard they need to push for legalized gambling. If states put in an Ontario like system where you could bet single games the ratings would cease being an issue.

If states realized they could set up betting exchanges where they have no risk they would raise tens of millions in revenue a year.
 
whaler11 said:
The NFL ratings are puzzling. It's not like cord cutting can explain Sunday night ratings. If anything it should improve them relative to baseball games on FS1.

One of the crazier stats I've seen lately is the decline at fanduel and draftkings. Their daily unique users are down like 80% y/y.

The NFL, NBA and MLB are going
to realize how hard they need to push for legalized gambling. If states put in an Ontario like system where you could bet single games the ratings would cease being an issue.

If states realized they could set up betting exchanges where they have no risk they would raise tens of millions in revenue a year.
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NFL is directly related to Kaepernick thing. Ages 15-24 the viewership is down, but that doesn't correlate to a 14% decrease; that would belong to Kaepernick for the most part.
 
shizzle787 said:
NFL is directly related to Kaepernick thing. Ages 15-24 the viewership is down, but that doesn't correlate to a 14% decrease; that would belong to Kaepernick for the most part.
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Phew we were almost having a good discussion. Thank God for this post.

Kapernick probably explains why esports outrated the NHL the other night too.
 
Robertelamin said:
Seriously, how much longer can ESPN throw billions at the NFL and NBA? Throw in college sports, MLB and whatever other live TV they have. The declining NFL ratings has been well documented and maybe its just a blip but obviously cord cutting is very real.
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Hasn't sports in general seen a decline over say the past decade or so? Everything from attendance to viewership? Anecdotally it feels more like a changing of the guard in terms of demographics. People that have spent their whole lives watching sports and parking themselves in front of the TV for hours and hours are being replaced by a generation that spends little time watching TV.
 
whaler11 said:
Phew we were almost having a good discussion. Thank God for this post.

Kapernick probably explains why esports outrated the NHL the other night too.
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Actually 15-24 year olds would as many more are nerds than ever before, and no one cares about hockey.
 
shizzle787 said:
Actually 15-24 year olds would as many more are nerds than ever before, and no one cares about hockey.
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The NHL had revenues of 2.9 BILLION dollars last year.

Not bad if no one cares.
 
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